(L) Planetes, A great series

[Blaat]

I love PlanetES, the episodes last week blew me away. Well done

Originally Posted by FlyByNite

Planetes has a plot? WTF? Ep21,22,23

Spoiler:

Man, I loved this show. The slightly more realistic elements of space travel and communication. The comedy as well. Then all of a sudden an actual plot/arc begins to develop and the show gets really dark and twisted.

and I love the show even more now. These Terrorists (They are terrorists) are planning to crash a spaceship into a city and kill over 100,000 people. Al Qaeda anyone? Yeesh. Although I know this is a manga, how old of a manga is it?

Yes, the cause they are supporting may be even somewhat valid. It does seem like the Union/Federation is dominating the poorer countries and they're not good people. BUT, you can't go killing hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT civilians. Some of whom have absolutely nothing to do with the Federation. Many of whom are just shlubs who are trying to earn a mediocre living on the moon.

It's one thing to kill civilians as collateral damage while attacking a military or political target, but it's completely different to specifically target civilians.


Man, they had the whole Ninja Naruto-fanboys die?

Oh yea, Claire? Die you %*@(*
She's been manipulating everyone all along. I hope her she isn't dead yet so she can get sucked into the Mirror Engine and be burned alive.

Hakim, you die too. Gigalt kicked ass, and you made the last thing he learned before he died that you were a traitor to everything he taught about protecting people. You god damn punk.


There are clear-cut "good guys" and "bad guys" here. Claire, Hakim? Bad guys. When you target civilians, I don't care what your options are, you are a bad guy. There is a greater morality that exists, and when you're deliberately killing innocent people, no matter what your intentions are, you've crossed the line.

Spoiler:

The Von Braun dropping on the city reminded me more of a Gundam colony drop, heck the Von Braun kinda like a colony from Gundam.

I think the terrorists in this case are just byproducts of the Federation, they're the real bad guys IMO, thanks to the Federation's monopoly on space resources millions of people are suffering, as seen and hinted in some episodes.

This is deeper then I expected

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by FlyByNite

Planetes has a plot? WTF? Ep21,22,23

Spoiler:

Man, I loved this show. The slightly more realistic elements of space travel and communication. The comedy as well. Then all of a sudden an actual plot/arc begins to develop and the show gets really dark and twisted.

and I love the show even more now. These Terrorists (They are terrorists) are planning to crash a spaceship into a city and kill over 100,000 people. Al Qaeda anyone? Yeesh. Although I know this is a manga, how old of a manga is it?

Yes, the cause they are supporting may be even somewhat valid. It does seem like the Union/Federation is dominating the poorer countries and they're not good people. BUT, you can't go killing hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT civilians. Some of whom have absolutely nothing to do with the Federation. Many of whom are just shlubs who are trying to earn a mediocre living on the moon.

It's one thing to kill civilians as collateral damage while attacking a military or political target, but it's completely different to specifically target civilians.


Man, they had the whole Ninja Naruto-fanboys die?

Oh yea, Claire? Die you %*@(*
She's been manipulating everyone all along. I hope her she isn't dead yet so she can get sucked into the Mirror Engine and be burned alive.

Hakim, you die too. Gigalt kicked ass, and you made the last thing he learned before he died that you were a traitor to everything he taught about protecting people. You god damn punk.


There are clear-cut "good guys" and "bad guys" here. Claire, Hakim? Bad guys. When you target civilians, I don't care what your options are, you are a bad guy. There is a greater morality that exists, and when you're deliberately killing innocent people, no matter what your intentions are, you've crossed the line.

Well, how about Rock Smith, and Hachimaki's father, and Hachimaki himself? Are they "good guy" or "bad guy"?

Spoiler:

Rock Smith just ordered some stress test that resulted the death of those Ninja fanboys and lots of other people and treat them like insects, while Hachimaki and his father support his view. As they have put it, they are willing to work with anyone, good or bad, even Nazis, to realize their goal.

[Kiro]

Spoiler:

hmmm, i read some comments i wonder why some people hate this or that character. for me, in this series every character was well described and every action certain character have taken, i could understand. for example hakim and claire. it may be very wrong, what they are doing, but in some way it's just understandable.

There are clear-cut "good guys" and "bad guys" here. Claire, Hakim? Bad guys. When you target civilians, I don't care what your options are, you are a bad guy. There is a greater morality that exists, and when you're deliberately killing innocent people, no matter what your intentions are, you've crossed the line.

i kind of disagree. most of the characters in this show are evil then. they don't care the least about what's going on in the poor countries. that's killing innocent people too. it's just so sanctimonious.

for example that terrorist attack in spain. yeah, a lot of people died. i wasn't shocked. a friend of mine was like "wtf, so many people died. don't you think it's terrible?". but why should i shead a single tear for some people who died in that terror attack in spain, when i know, that every day, millions of people in africa, asia and south america suffer and die. i would have to cry all day long if i had to find it in the least bit sad what happened in spain.

that doesn't mean that i think that terrorism is right. it's not. *sigh* it's hard to explain for me. my english just isn't enough for such a complex topc. :/

[Seta]

Just started watching yesterday (yes, I started really late ) and I regret not having seen it earlier. Easily the most underrated series of 2003 and now one of my favorites from that season. Maybe it's because I'm watching the bulk of the series in one run but I'm enjoying this alot more than Last Exile, Scrapped Princess, and all the other big name series last year. This series has the same charm that drew me to Cowboy Bebop and it's one of those series where it's hard to stop watching even though there isn't much of a plot (yet, since I'm still on episode 15). Great series indeed.

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by Kiro

for example that terrorist attack in spain. yeah, a lot of people died. i wasn't shocked. a friend of mine was like "wtf, so many people died. don't you think it's terrible?". but why should i shead a single tear for some people who died in that terror attack in spain, when i know, that every day, millions of people in africa, asia and south america suffer and die. i would have to cry all day long if i had to find it in the least bit sad what happened in spain.

that doesn't mean that i think that terrorism is right. it's not. *sigh* it's hard to explain for me. my english just isn't enough for such a complex topc. :/

I know how you feel... I also feel somewhat similar. I mean, the Al Qaeda attack killed some thousands of innocent people, so what? everyday thousands of people die, whether because of famine, poverty, disease, or just stupidity (like driving a car drunk). Also if you believe that killing 100 people will save the lives of 10000 people, what will you do? it's the moral gray zone I guess.

[Kempis Curious]

Yeah! Finally after watching this anime off and on, these last set of eps might push this anime off the so-so list. The previous episodes were too stand-alone for me to like it as much as I do now.

-k

[Za Paper]

I almost gave up on this show in the beginning but the second half is some of the best stuff I've ever seen. I have to congratulate the writers for creating a futuristic world and characters with so much depth. It will be tough to wait for the final 3 eps.

[vasiliki]

Originally Posted by Za Paper

Elde clearly describes it as a tongue piercing.

shita=tongue

I didn't know that the word "lingum" existed, only "lingam". Yup, you're right, she does say "shita ni suru" - it's definitely a tongue piercing. Pity that I burned the episode on a CD already. (if ANBU was faster! I'm waiting for their Naruto releases, but can't wait for everything)

[Rias]

wow seems that one alphabet changes the whole meaning...

however ANBU did make a pretty obvious mistake at epsiode 19, translating Lavie into Rabi...A-E had translated his name as Lavi all along, which i guess is acceptable if you just say Lavi is short for Lavie

if you check anbu version, epsiode 19, 00:37-00:38, 01:07-01:10

well, non-japanese names are usually hard to have an accurate translation anyway unless they indicate the offical translation somewhere on their website or in the show or something.


Also just watched epsiode 25

Spoiler:

Seems that Tanabe's idea of love wins again...as she didn't "kill" Claire at the end. Guess that's why she's in rehab due to lack of oxygen now...it be intrestin to see how she and hachimaki patches up in epsiode 26...last epsiode too

[dreamless]

oh, and on top of the "terrorist" thing, I just want to add that it also shows the polarization of the rich and the poor. It's just like the cold war between the east and west, but now it's between the rich countries and poor countries. Claire and Hachim both come from poor country, and they see the other ones different. They grow up thinking the Federation is the cause of all the sufferings and the root of all evil, to them the rich countries are like the "evil empires", and that includes the people on the moon city, all are just some mindless underlings of an evil empire hogging all natural resources and destroying their home countries, they are all the "enemy". So to them killing all those people could be justified quite easily.

[xavier8200]

Just watched episode 24 and this episode was just unbelievable. I really don't know what else to say. Planetes has jumped another couple of slots into my top ten animes of all time. I can't believe that they would end the episode there. All I said at the end of the show was. NOT LIKE THIS. Tell me this is an hour special or something. LOL Great show. I can't wait for 25

[Za Paper]

Originally Posted by xavier8200

Just watched episode 24 and this episode was just unbelievable. I really don't know what else to say. Planetes has jumped another couple of slots into my top ten animes of all time. I can't believe that they would end the episode there. All I said at the end of the show was. NOT LIKE THIS. Tell me this is an hour special or something. LOL Great show. I can't wait for 25

Totally agree 100%. This was one of the best cliff hangers, if not THE best, cliff hanger ep I've ever seen. I actually yelled at the tv screen when the credits started to roll by.

[Kiro]

this series is just so good.

back to where i stopped in my last post: it's not that what the terrorist are doing is right. it is not. killing 120.000 people is never right. but so is killing indirect millions of people in the form of trade embargos (the people have to suffer from this. not the leaders of a country) or supporting dictatorships (i once saw a reportage, which was about shell and how it supports a dictatorship, that surpresses a tribe (i believe, it was the ogoni) which rightfully owns an area that is rich with oil.)

you can't say that either group is right. both groups are wrong in what they're doing. i think, that became clear at this scene (ep24):

Spoiler:

the argument between hachi and hakim, when they were fighting.

the problem is greed. :/

[ZhouYu]

oMG wtf?!?!?!!? ahhhh i need more eps.... that cliffhanger was just.... -_-'' the preview got Tanabe's Will on it.... noooooooooo!!!!!!!!! jdsklfkjsdfdsf

[konangrit]

Couldn't agree more, this series is fantastic, and episode 24 was just amazing. Such a shame that there are only 2 episodes left. Don't think we'll have long to wait for them though, ANBU have released the last 8 episodes in a very short period.

I'm already thinking about season 2, does anyone know if there is one planned? This series is just too great to end after 1 season.

[ShikaShika]

That cliffhanger was just... evil... I won't be able to sleep well until I see the next ep.

[Yebyosh]

Oh come on, with the way the anime is going, you definitely know in your hearts that Tanabe will not kill Claire. And they will be rescued. The extreme polarization of themes and characters here is what detracts it for me (even though the series is still good).

FYI, the Tanabe/Claire scene is adapted from the manga Vol 2 involving Hachimaki and his teammate Leonov.

Spoiler for manga vol 2:

And it comes across better to me there not just because it makes Hachimaki more complex as a character (no he never even thought of letting his teammate die, he wanted to die himself and the reasons and actions were psychologically interesting). Tanabe's interaction with him when the Toybox rescued them at the last instant made their relationship even more complete. Note: I'll bet you that the Toybox shall rescue Tanabe/Claire in the anime at that last instant.

On a good note, it is nice to see the preview with windmill generators and Tanabe's will. Why?

Spoiler for manga vol 3:

It might be likely they are going to dwelve into Tanabe's dark past with episode 25. But how much are they going to change or even show it is another matter since they are showing other character's actions/scenes. But even then I feel it will not make up for Tanabe's naivity unlike in the manga.

[Dinaluban61]

Oh no. That cliffhanger was just too much for me to handle. I'm going to go crazy! Anything can happen because the anime can be different from the manga. Oh no! I'm must see the outcome.

[Kempis Curious]

Garr! I'm going away for two weeks and I have to wait till I get back to see what happens!!! What a bittersweet feeling, what a great episode.

Spoiler:

Hakim and Clair both have their lives in the hands of the main characters, looks like they are both about to bite the big one. I myself would like to see Tanabe live, and then follow her own advice about making amends for her sin. However, I think the most likely scenario is that Claire has already bled out and died, Hanabe will learn this, and take the air. Hopefully she won't take the air before finding out she's dead, and have to live with the guilt of attempted murder. I've seen that plotline before.

Is this situation also a too-obvious parallel to the rich countries / poor countries situation? Whatdya think?

-k

curious

[mirichan]

Originally Posted by Za Paper

Totally agree 100%. This was one of the best cliff hangers, if not THE best, cliff hanger ep I've ever seen. I actually yelled at the tv screen when the credits started to roll by.

I must be weird...

I actually started laughing. Because I wanted to KISS the producers and writers of this show. I have loved ALL the episodes from the beginning... been raving about it in my LJ many many times and they just blew me one more time...

Spoiler:

seeing Tanabe lose it and be ready to KILL Claire to save herself?

And then roll on the end credits?

WOW... talk about edge of seat cliffhanger!