(L) Monogatari Series Light Novel discussion

[omimon]

Originally Posted by karice67

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”ー嘘つき。神様の癖に”
You liar. And you call yourself a god?

かつて蛇に巻き憑かれた少女・千石撫子。
Sengoku Nadeko, the girl who was once cursed by a snake.

阿良々木暦に思いを寄せつづける彼女の前に現れた、真っ白の”使者”の正体とは．．．？
Who is the pure white messenger who has appeared before this girl, whose thoughts keep straying to Araragi Koyomi...?

＜物語＞は、最終章へと、うねり、絡まり、進化するー
With undulations and entanglements, <the story> progresses towards its final chapter-



かみついて、君を感じる 罠の中。
[My brain's not processing this one - there's two parts "snap at it/it snaps" and "inside the trap of feeling/sensing you"...
btw, the "you" here is "kimi", and I'm not sure who uses that pronoun in this series...]

Oh god, double rainbow, double rainbow all the way!!

[Shikijin]

Great cover art. The fact they didn't draw her legs could generate some speculation.

Originally Posted by omimon

Please someone who knows Japanese translate the bits of text. For some reason no one steps up to the plate when stuff like this happen.

Ninjad. Just a couple of notes.

1) Over "pure white" there is written "Naoetsu" in kana. Significance unknown.

2) The last sentence is probably something like "I feel you biting inside the trap." There is a space before "inside the trap" that makes me guess some words in between has been taken out.

EDIT: IIRC the pronoun "kimi" was used only by Oshino during the series. In this case it is probably a spirit talking. And I think it could be the spirit the one who does the biting.

Spoiler for conjecture:

The medusa petrified everyone who mets her eyes. I think this somehow could be related to sensing the other through bites (possibly the snakes on the hair) and not the eyes.

[karice67]

^Thanks, I totally glossed over the "Naoetsu" hiragana...hm...don't they live in Naoetsu (直江津)? I know it's the name of their school...

and correcting myself too...

Originally Posted by karice67

阿良々木暦に思いを寄せつづける彼女の前に現れた、真っ白の”使者”の正体とは．．．？
Who is the pure white messenger who has appeared before this girl, who continues to give her heart to Araragi Koyomi...?

is another way to put it...

[Shikijin]

Originally Posted by karice67

^Thanks, I totally glossed over the "Naoetsu" hiragana...hm...don't they live in Naoetsu (直江津)? I know it's the name of their school...

Yeah, now that you mention it, it must be also the name of the city. I checked it and now the city is called Jōetsu, born in 1971 from the fusion of the cities of Naoetsu and Takada. Hmmm...

Btw, you could simply say Nadeko has a crush on Araragi.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

Btw, you could simply say Nadeko has a crush on Araragi.

I know. Not quite as 'lyrical' as the Japanese phrase though...

edit: never thought to check the location of their town - it really is pretty far from any place I've ever thought of visiting...

[azurena]

how did shinobu end up with the helmet and goggles?

[omimon]

Originally Posted by azurena

how did shinobu end up with the helmet and goggles?

It was a gift from Oshino after her good work in Kuro.

[Otrebla]

geez, kizu has a nice tie up with the bake novels.

Spoiler for ending:

shrare the load of being unhappy... heh, i loved that idea and how nisio wrote it.
cant wait to see the movie scene where kissshot gets infuriated and desperate begging muraragi (sorry, i stuttered) to kill her instead of letting her live as an inferior being. i hope the actress makes a good job (idk really know who that aya hirano is coz im not a great anime enthusiast). i loved how rararagi (...) picked up her bra at the end HAHA! i still laugh, but i didnt like how hanekawa offered herself for the "shoulder" massage. looked out of char. it may be a promise and she may be in love w him but:
1) her approaches werent that direct in bake. the most direct approach was that scene in the library (nadeko snake) where she almost kissed him, which is kind of understandable because she was desperate.
2) thats throwing herself away too soon.

anyway, tnx to the translators who made this. hope to see more of this series soon (PLEASE!!!! NOT THAT SOON!!!!! take a break for gods sake, i know that you guys did this in your free time and everyone needs free time)

=)

[azurena]

Originally Posted by omimon

It was a gift from Oshino after her good work in Kuro.

oh ok thanks! what work did she do?

[omimon]

Originally Posted by azurena

oh ok thanks! what work did she do?

Helping in defeating Black Hanakawa Ver.1.

[Prime]

God my OH! So, it's finished! xD Thanks, dudes, now I will translate it to spanish xD But, first of all, I gotta read it now *¬*

Well, about Nadeko Medusa, it was exactly what I was expecting for and, I couldn't understand something: In Kabukimonogatari, the story continues or you didn't spoil the end of the novel?

Also, is chapter 18 the corrected version?

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Prime

God my OH! So, it's finished! xD Thanks, dudes, now I will translate it to spanish xD But, first of all, I gotta read it now *¬*

Well, about Nadeko Medusa, it was exactly what I was expecting for and, I couldn't understand something: In Kabukimonogatari, the story continues or you didn't spoil the end of the novel?

Also, is chapter 18 the corrected version?

I don't get what you mean by "you didn't spoil the end of the novel?"

Also chapter 18 is now correct.

[Prime]

Originally Posted by omimon

I don't get what you mean by "you didn't spoil the end of the novel?"

Also chapter 18 is now correct.

Yeah, actually, when you posted your summary of Kabukimonogatari, you said that it possibly could continue, or at least that's what I got xD So, I wonder if it really will continue in Shinobu Time or it was only that story, because it doesn't seems so.

[Used Can]

Possible spoilers for Otorimonogatari:

Spoiler for In Japanese:

まさか撫子が神になるとは
次の決戦が半年後の卒業式になるのだから、撫子は失踪人扱いなんだろうな。

後書きから推察すると、ひたぎエンドで卒業についての話を書くと宣言しているから
今回の結末は半年後まで12月までお預けで、我々も撫子から半年の猶予を与えられた訳だw
・撫子一人称
・十月三十一日　扇(女)とで通学路で会い、その日から白蛇を見るようになる
・撫子のクラスはおまじないのせいで未だにギスギスしていた。撫子は押し付けられた委員長で担任からクラス をなんとかするよう言われていた
・暦に電話で相談し、忍が起きる夜を待つことになるが、電話のすぐあと白蛇（クチナワ）が喋りかけてきて、 神社へ行くよう促す
・神社に到着し、かつて自分が切り刻んだ蛇の亡骸を目にする
・クチナワに加害者だと告げられ逃げるか償うかを迫られ、償うため、クチナワの願いを聞くこと に
・クチナワの願いは自分が生きていたころの亡骸を探し出してらうこと
・今回撫子は「加害者」なので暦に迷惑をかけないため自分だけで行動することに
・夜、亡骸探しをしているときに暦に見つかり阿良々木家に連れ込まれる
・暦にばれそうになるが隠し通す。二人でベッドで寝ようとするが忍がそれを阻止
・暦が気絶しているときに忍から可愛いから保護欲をそそられるだけといわれる
「よかったの。たまたま可愛くて」

・朝、目覚めると月火が隣で寝ていた。見た目や恋愛のことについて腹を割って話す。そして兄に彼女がいるこ とを打ち明ける
・が、撫子も2学期あたりにはそのことについて知っていた。
・略奪愛などを考えない撫子に憤りを感じ前髪をぶった切られる
・学校に行き、担任にクラスのことについて話されてた時キレる。教室のドアをぶち破ぶりおまじないでギスギ スしているクラスの皆にもキレる
・早退。そして昨日の夜に阿良々木家に亡骸があることをクチナワが気づいていたので、昼間に侵 入。
・暦の部屋を物色。エロ本を探し当て、3冊も読む。さらにそのエロ本に挟まっていた栞が亡骸だ とわかる
・クチナワにオマケで願いを叶えてやると言われ、
「大好きな暦お兄ちゃんと両思いになりたいとか･･･そんなお願いでも、叶うのかな」
「そいつは敵わないな、千石」
・暦登場。今すぐその札を置けと警告するも誤解や忍の挑発もあり札を飲み込み怪異と化す
「撫子だって、暦お兄ちゃんが大好きなのに！」

　実は「クチナワ」という怪異は存在せず、撫子が勝手に生み出した妄想
2学期の始め暦に彼女がいることを知ったときから撫子は若干狂っていた。
怪異の経験から「神頼み」が通用すると知っていたのでその時から北白蛇神社にお参りをしていた
しかし、扇と出会ったとき神社には神はおらず、ご神体となる札は伊豆子から暦に託されたと告げ られる
その日から暦に対して怪異が見えると嘘をつき、暦が自分を見つけるのを見越して夜間外出し、阿良々木家に入 り鍵を盗む
そして次の日の昼間に鍵を使い侵入しご神体（栞）をみつけた
これが今回の真相

暦にとどめを刺そうとするとき暦の携帯電話が鳴る
着信主は戦場ヶ原ひたぎ
ひたぎは暦を殺すなら代わりに自分を殺せとお願いをするが、撫子は全員殺すという
だが、ひたぎは暦を先に殺すと忍が全盛期に戻るので殺す順番はひたぎ→忍→暦がいいとアドバイ スする
そして、それが衝動的な殺意じゃなく永久的な殺意なら卒業式まで待ってくれとお願いする
そのお願いを聞き入れる
「もしも違う形で出会っていれば―撫子と戦場ヶ原さんは、友達になれたかもしれないね」
「いやそれはない」「悪いけど私はあなたのような可愛いガキが、昔の自分より嫌いなのよ、千石 撫子さん」

月日は過ぎ三月

神社の境内に3人の人影　暦　忍　ひたぎ
「ようこそ。暦おにいちゃん可愛がってあげるね」
カミングスーン　神だけに

I'm not really sure how much I was able to understand, but the whole thing sounded mildly interesting.

Anyway, it seems that Hitagi End will take place around the time of their graduation. This story took place half a year later. Now, I'm wondering about Onimonogatari.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Possible spoilers for Otorimonogatari:

Spoiler for In Japanese:

まさか撫子が神になるとは
次の決戦が半年後の卒業式になるのだから、撫子は失踪人扱いなんだろうな。

後書きから推察すると、ひたぎエンドで卒業についての話を書くと宣言しているから
今回の結末は半年後まで12月までお預けで、我々も撫子から半年の猶予を与えられた訳だw
・撫子一人称
・十月三十一日　扇(女)とで通学路で会い、その日から白蛇を見るようになる
・撫子のクラスはおまじないのせいで未だにギスギスしていた。撫子は押し付けられた委員長で担任からクラス をなんとかするよう言われていた
・暦に電話で相談し、忍が起きる夜を待つことになるが、電話のすぐあと白蛇（クチナワ）が喋りかけてきて、 神社へ行くよう促す
・神社に到着し、かつて自分が切り刻んだ蛇の亡骸を目にする
・クチナワに加害者だと告げられ逃げるか償うかを迫られ、償うため、クチナワの願いを聞くこと に
・クチナワの願いは自分が生きていたころの亡骸を探し出してらうこと
・今回撫子は「加害者」なので暦に迷惑をかけないため自分だけで行動することに
・夜、亡骸探しをしているときに暦に見つかり阿良々木家に連れ込まれる
・暦にばれそうになるが隠し通す。二人でベッドで寝ようとするが忍がそれを阻止
・暦が気絶しているときに忍から可愛いから保護欲をそそられるだけといわれる
「よかったの。たまたま可愛くて」

・朝、目覚めると月火が隣で寝ていた。見た目や恋愛のことについて腹を割って話す。そして兄に彼女がいるこ とを打ち明ける
・が、撫子も2学期あたりにはそのことについて知っていた。
・略奪愛などを考えない撫子に憤りを感じ前髪をぶった切られる
・学校に行き、担任にクラスのことについて話されてた時キレる。教室のドアをぶち破ぶりおまじないでギスギ スしているクラスの皆にもキレる
・早退。そして昨日の夜に阿良々木家に亡骸があることをクチナワが気づいていたので、昼間に侵 入。
・暦の部屋を物色。エロ本を探し当て、3冊も読む。さらにそのエロ本に挟まっていた栞が亡骸だ とわかる
・クチナワにオマケで願いを叶えてやると言われ、
「大好きな暦お兄ちゃんと両思いになりたいとか･･･そんなお願いでも、叶うのかな」
「そいつは敵わないな、千石」
・暦登場。今すぐその札を置けと警告するも誤解や忍の挑発もあり札を飲み込み怪異と化す
「撫子だって、暦お兄ちゃんが大好きなのに！」

　実は「クチナワ」という怪異は存在せず、撫子が勝手に生み出した妄想
2学期の始め暦に彼女がいることを知ったときから撫子は若干狂っていた。
怪異の経験から「神頼み」が通用すると知っていたのでその時から北白蛇神社にお参りをしていた
しかし、扇と出会ったとき神社には神はおらず、ご神体となる札は伊豆子から暦に託されたと告げ られる
その日から暦に対して怪異が見えると嘘をつき、暦が自分を見つけるのを見越して夜間外出し、阿良々木家に入 り鍵を盗む
そして次の日の昼間に鍵を使い侵入しご神体（栞）をみつけた
これが今回の真相

暦にとどめを刺そうとするとき暦の携帯電話が鳴る
着信主は戦場ヶ原ひたぎ
ひたぎは暦を殺すなら代わりに自分を殺せとお願いをするが、撫子は全員殺すという
だが、ひたぎは暦を先に殺すと忍が全盛期に戻るので殺す順番はひたぎ→忍→暦がいいとアドバイ スする
そして、それが衝動的な殺意じゃなく永久的な殺意なら卒業式まで待ってくれとお願いする
そのお願いを聞き入れる
「もしも違う形で出会っていれば―撫子と戦場ヶ原さんは、友達になれたかもしれないね」
「いやそれはない」「悪いけど私はあなたのような可愛いガキが、昔の自分より嫌いなのよ、千石 撫子さん」

月日は過ぎ三月

神社の境内に3人の人影　暦　忍　ひたぎ
「ようこそ。暦おにいちゃん可愛がってあげるね」
カミングスーン　神だけに

I'm not really sure how much I was able to understand, but the whole thing sounded mildly interesting.

Anyway, it seems that Hitagi End will take place around the time of their graduation. This story took place half a year later. Now, I'm wondering about Onimonogatari.

Translation now!!

Also,

Spoiler:

[karice67]

....

Like...I'm speechless.

............................

Quick gist whilst I see if I want to translate/make a longer summary...

Spoiler for you sure you want to spoil yourself?:

This story actually takes place half a year before Koyomi and Hitagi's graduation. POV is Nadeko's. It begins in October, when Nadeko meets a girl called Ougi, after which she becomes able to see (the) white snake(s).

NB: from the author's note at the end, Hitagi End will take place around graduation (March in Japan for those who don't know).

and...er, skipping to the end:

Spoiler for I mean it...do you REALLY want to spoil yourself?:

It seems that Nadeko has gone somewhat crazy, because the person she likes got a girlfriend.

She eventually tries to kill Koyomi, but then his phone rings. It's Hitagi, who tells Nadeko to kill her instead, but the latter says she'll kill them all. So Hitagi tells her that the order is important, because if Koyomi dies, Shinobu will return to being the legendary kaii-killer, so Nadeko will have to kill Hitagi, then Shinobu then finally Koyomi. Furthermore, if Nadeko's killing intent is certain ('eternal') rather than impulsive, Hitagi asks her to wait until after graduation.

The very last scene has Nadeko welcoming Koyomi, Hitagi and Shinobu at the (snake?) shrine in March.

"Koyomi-onichan, I'll give you all my affection, ok?"

[omimon]

Originally Posted by karice67

....

Like...I'm speechless.

............................

Quick gist whilst I see if I want to translate/make a longer summary...

Spoiler for you sure you want to spoil yourself?:

This story actually takes place half a year before Koyomi and Hitagi's graduation. POV is Nadeko's. It begins in October, when Nadeko meets a girl called Sen (meaning: folding fan), after which she becomes able to see (the) white snake(s).

NB: from the author's note at the end, Hitagi End will take place around graduation (March in Japan for those who don't know).

and...er, skipping to the end:

Spoiler for I mean it...do you REALLY want to spoil yourself?:

It seems that Nadeko has gone somewhat crazy, because the person she likes got a girlfriend.

She eventually tries to kill Koyomi, but then his phone rings. It's Hitagi, who tells Nadeko to kill her instead, but the latter says she'll kill them all. So Hitagi tells her that the order is important, because if Koyomi dies, Shinobu will return to being the legendary kai-killer, so Nadeko will have to kill Hitagi, then Shinobu then finally Koyomi. Furthermore, if Nadeko's killing intent is certain ('eternal') rather than impulsive, Hitagi asks her to wait until after graduation.

The very last scene has Nadeko welcoming Koyomi, Hitagi and Shinobu at the (snake?) shrine in March.

"Koyomi-onichan, I'll give you all my affection, ok?"

Double rainbow....double rainbow all the way!!

EDIT: I'm pretty sure the Sen you are talking about is Oogi, Oshino's niece.

[soniko]

It was written that Nadeko was somewhat "broken" ever since the day she realized Koyomi has a girlfriend.
It was like the old Nishio when Nadeko was stabbing Shinobu over and over again really casually.

Shinobu time will be about the incident in Neko-shiro

[omimon]

Originally Posted by soniko

Shinobu time will be about the incident in Neko-shiro

Did you get this from Used Can's spoiler or did you read this from somewhere else?

[soniko]

I read it yesterday.
It was written that it will go back in time next book.
I thought it was clever because you have to wait 6months in real life to read the conclusion, and Nadeko will wait 6months as well. Maybe this is why kabuki wasn't straight after neko