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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 05 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 54 | 13.99% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 5.18% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 5.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 25 | 6.48% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 27 | 6.99% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 16 | 4.15% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 10 | 2.59% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 8 | 2.07% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 7 | 1.81% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 196 | 50.78% | |
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2009-07-12, 22:41 | Link #841 | |||
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Anyway can we stop dropping hints and spoilers about later novel arcs please? It's kind of hard for me to come up with anything to say back to this when I am actively trying to follow the strict no spoilers policy of the forum. Keep it to discussion about the anime version folks. Besides I think the anime has proven that it is deviating enough from the source to be partially considered it's own beast. Funny that since I thought Kyoani was supposed to always follow the source material. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2009-07-12 at 23:26. |
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2009-07-12, 22:43 | Link #843 | |
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As for her not emoting, that isn't quite true... each of her downcast looks are looking more and more "human." (Hell, who didn't notice that flicker in her eye in the Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody episode ). Well, unlike Kyon... we don't have the luxury of having our memories reset after each episode. So, I could understand if people argued that our perception of these events are closer to Nagato's rather then Kyon's. Well, I guess it would be a hybrid of Kyon's and Nagato's views. This is meant to be watched in real time, so the sense of dread Kyon is feeling and the sense of dread the viewer is feeling (the oh no... it's gonna be another episode) is pretty effective. Again, it's really hard to argue this point without including some spoilers... |
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2009-07-12, 22:44 | Link #844 |
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Alright, mostly I've been in this thread countering the more absurd arguments, but now I've actually seen this iteration. The tone felt different from the ones before it, and I have no reason to doubt the next version will also feel different. These small changes in atmosphere brought about by the pacing, the few lines changed, the different animation all makes it very interesting to me.
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2009-07-12, 23:42 | Link #845 | |
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2009-07-13, 00:01 | Link #846 |
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....How do I put this, you can't really call somebody's argument terrible simply because you don't have a working knowledge of what he's quoting. Now that being said I also agree that the novel material has no place in these threads either and really shouldn't be brought into the equation until the appropriate moment IF need be and it's feasible.
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2009-07-13, 00:04 | Link #847 |
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Kaioshin mentioning about how that "Kyoani was supposed to always follow the source material" isn't really always the case, as Kanon 2006, Clannad/AS 2009 both see changes from the source material, that obviously I won't expect people to all have read through. The impact of Kanon veering from the original visual novels though was quite pronounced, while Clannad did not see its main route being altered or subjected to a retelling in the process.
Having said that, I certainly hope that people won't become too caught up about comparison with the novel source (let the novel readers be the worrywarts). I only limit my comparison on empirical matters and I am trying to not put in a bias. Generally speaking, I will only and can only accept novel informations when I am trying to look into the matters of adaptation difference and that's from an objective standpoint where possible. I also sincerely hope that no spoiler in advanced plot is to be handed out. The only thing that I want to say is that despite all the changes, I have not observed anything that would contradict the novels in the future direction since classified information have not been altered, nor really presented yet. Now, the airing order of this episode isn't how the novels are placed, so without classified information being animated, putting out what is to come based off of novel chronology would be pointless and sew only more confusion. On the subject of seeing the story from other peoples' perspective... what marks Haruhi series is very much Kyon, the unreliable narrator deadpan snarker. It would be in some sense, second-guessing Tanigawa (who really is speaking through Kyon) at times to arbitrarily get into the head of other characters when they are meant to be inferred and pondered about through Kyon's skewed perspectives. It is a useful exercise, but doing that I would reserve to the hands of the fanfic writers. By the way, Tanigawa might have been completely aware of the changes to Endless Eight. Recall the entirety of Someday in the Rain which was specifically written for anime by Tanigawa himself. I think this is where I am getting wishy-washy again, but having the author as an accomplice if not a purpetrator in the slight derivation from novel source is perhaps likely as well. @Dr. Casey: sorry, the entirety of Someday in the Rain.
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2009-07-13, 00:23 | Link #849 |
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I can't believe we got a fourth episode of the same stuff in a round. If this continues then it really is going to be an endless summer. AHHhhh... trying to keep my cool and I have until this recent episode but its getting harder and harder. The next one better be the conclusion, another of the same would just be painful. At least there was a clue, wonder where it can lead.
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2009-07-13, 00:44 | Link #850 | |
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2009-07-13, 00:48 | Link #851 | |
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2009-07-13, 01:05 | Link #853 |
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Not sure if it's the actual translation, or the translators themselves, but at least with A.F.Ks version they seem to be switching up what is said quite a bit too, upon watching this version, I noticed one thing that has not changed in any episode, the frog suits patterns, colors, and who wears it, does not change. Again there is an awesome video in Music Video section showing the the four parts side by side, it's cool to see how simililar yet different each episode is.
You know what they could have done with this re-airing that would have been awesome, is scatter the endless 8 through out the entire season. Also I think I've figured out what the head shaking is all about in the opening, it's saying "No this isn't the second season"
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2009-07-13, 01:17 | Link #854 |
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Considering that one only needs to view an episode once (or twice if one watches it raw and then subbed), then waits a week for the next episode, things are not all that bad. The plot is the same, yes, but the entire episode is not. In fact none of the four "Endless Eights" have been the same. Every single one has a different mood, style, animation, and even different lines from time to time. Nothing, aside from the plot, is recycled.
So if you are just going to watch Haruhi...watch it. Each one is different. Worry about the future episodes when we get to them, otherwise, just enjoy what you have. It is a whole lot better getting this than it is getting nothing. And some of you got nothing for three years. Enjoy it while it is here, because after the season ends, it could be some time before you get the rest of it.
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2009-07-13, 01:22 | Link #855 | |
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The point was that Yuki's internal reaction to the events of E8 is central to the E8 story as a whole. Luckily for the other side of the argument, the majority of the evidence to that effect has yet to air (meaning I'm left to spoiler forums or overly vague generalizations to try to make my point). Maybe that's why K&K chose this method, was to hammer that home with every repetitive shot of Bored Yuki. Perhaps that method giving KyoAni the chance to give their disparate directorial teams a little freedom was (for them at least) only a "happy" coincidence. Right decision? Fiscally, at least, probably not. But I'm going to at least wait until they're through before calling for their heads or mourning the death of the franchise.
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2009-07-13, 01:45 | Link #856 |
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This failing and lazyness is well with in Kyon's character, I think someone said in the novel that they discovered the loop some 9000 times. So showing him fail even just these 3 times makes a bit of sense. I just did my own side by side side comparison of part 2 3 and 4, the neco video one I posted earlier cut out the opening, which kind of throws of that timing effect. and it's neat how no matter how the episode flows, there are some scenes that move faster in one that are given more time in another, and it balances out so that they all get to the time loop reveal right about the same time, even to the point of the lines syncing up.
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2009-07-13, 01:54 | Link #857 | |
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2009-07-13, 02:03 | Link #858 | |
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Makes me appreciate it even more.
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2009-07-13, 02:09 | Link #859 |
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At this point my brain is starting to hurt watching the same loop over and over with slight variations. Ever tried to imagine what it would be like if we experienced 4 or 5 dimensions? Makes you're brain hurt huh? That's how this series is making me feel.
It hurts because watching mostly the same thing again and again is getting monotonous, and because I know that despite this I will watch the next episode anyway in the hopes that someone finally says or does something to break the loop. Although, starting with the next episode I'm going to have to start fast-forwarding through the episode. |
2009-07-13, 02:25 | Link #860 | |
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Then again the whole "OMG they are trolling us!!!!111" thing is pretty warped too. Man this show needs to do something new already..... |
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