2011-01-07, 02:46 | Link #21362 |
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Okay thanks! That actually made a lot of sense. I was having a metaphysical discussion with my mentor and unrelated to Umineko he discussed how the most powerful beings of a plane fear of moving on to higher plane as they are fearful of the unknown. So that makes a lot of sense when I related this to Umineko.
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2011-01-07, 03:33 | Link #21363 |
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That, and "Strongest Witch in the Universe" seems to be a title traded around through winning and losing games. It's implied and speculated that Higurashi was a game of Lambda VS Featherine, and Rika's timeloop stuff was Featherine abandoning the game (which means she "loses"). So if she was ever "Strongest Witch in the Universe", she'd of forfeit the title by now.
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2011-01-07, 07:55 | Link #21364 |
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I once made a theory that lambda and featherine had played another game and it was the one in which she was thrown into a logic erroc.Because i wonder.Why is lambda still a child and not the adult Miyo??Since featherine is considered a god i was curious about the scene when little miyo challenged god and won!!!!!I wonder if that was when she was turned into a witch by beating featherine in some kind of game and thus will always be a kid.Remember she was already a witch when higurashi took place.
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2011-01-07, 09:34 | Link #21365 | |
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Maybe Beatrice was just kidding and Land of the Golden Witch is a crudely drawn flipbook of a cartoon seagull with "BY THE WAY, YASU IS BEATRICE" on the last page.
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2011-01-07, 10:21 | Link #21366 | |
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And it's not like we're not used to 07th Expansion actually releasing further stuff on and on and on...hadn't Umineko become so popular with his fangroup, I think they would still be releasing additional chapters for Higurashi. I hope he knows where to stop with Umineko, because actually the only thing we really need is the content of the 一成る真実の書 and that's it. The ending of EP8 in itself was fine, but it drew out so many things that were unimportant, while leaving some other things aside...it's like as if Matsuribayashi didn't get the Kakera Asobi in the beginning (and I have to admit I think it sucked apart from that). Spoiler for Higurashi Rei:
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2011-01-07, 11:07 | Link #21367 | |
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2011-01-07, 11:39 | Link #21368 | |
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2011-01-07, 12:32 | Link #21370 | |
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2011-01-07, 13:46 | Link #21373 |
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I think Land of the Golden Witch was supposed to be EP3 originally, even harder that EP2. Ryukishi ended up putting some stuff he meant to save to Chiru in EP3 (like explaining the catbox nature of Rokkenjima) and redoing the thing. He apparently feared people would find it too incomprehensible.
If he's so proud of Land, he should put it as part of "Rei" if he plans on doing one (I recall Tsubasa is already When they cry 4+, but there's probably no problem being another). I always thought the interval from EP7 to the recent Comiket was too short for him to produce an episode to answer everything, I actually suspected that When they cry 5 might start before EP8 is released when they announced a new section on their site (which turned out to be Ougon). Now he has more than half a year to write an Answer arc (there really hasn't been an answer arc, just core arcs) for Umineko if he wishes, and maybe include Land as a bonus Episode with it (Umineko no Naku Koro ni Kai?). Or maybe combining them, so Land becomes the answer arc. That doesn't preserve the mystery though, but it's not like we don't know enough about the core to start suspecting certain people. I really shouldn't be here as I have not read EP7-8, but just to give my thoughts. It does seem like Ryukishi cared about Land, for EP2 was the last one written by "Beatrice" and the rest by Itouikukuro and Tohya. EP6 implies they're the same person, right? I have found it strange though, that while the writer changed for EP3-4, they were still game mastered by Beatrice, which makes me to believe Itouikukuro has more to do with Beatrice than Tohya. I heard EP8 had something more about Itouikukuro, but I certainly hope not to spoil everything. And it might be an author's whim after all. |
2011-01-07, 14:09 | Link #21374 |
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Well, if Land was the "third message bottle," you could call it the "true ep3." The questions about Land are manifold, of course:
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2011-01-07, 15:51 | Link #21375 |
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From an interview, we do know Ryukishi originally planned a different EP3. He mentioned EP3 was supposed to be a lot harder (he planned to reveal the 'catbox' in the 5th episode, for example). His original idea may or may not have been "Land".
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Besides, it was supposed to be the third episode, and it was supposed to be very hard. So there's really no need to think it would have made us look at the whole series in a different perspective. For what concerns the "answers issue", it would be practically irrelevant. Quote:
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2011-01-07, 16:00 | Link #21377 |
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How much of it he actually made is still pretty relevant. If it was going to be super hard, what was it that made it difficult? Was it an ep5/ep6 style thing? It seems strange that he would give up on a difficulty increase when people were beginning to preempt him (on e.g. the Kinzo thing) which would make me want to throw out something harder to really perplex them.
But I'm skeptical whether Land ever really existed as anything more than an idea.
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2011-01-07, 16:20 | Link #21378 |
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If I remember correctly, he said he sets the difficulty of an episode based on the general response of the community. EP2 made a lot of people flustered because of the magic oddities, so he explained them in EP3. I'm not sure the EP3 he had in mind was a lot different from "our" EP3, just probably with less things explained. That said, the question of whether "Land" is related to EP3 at all, is still relevant.
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2011-01-07, 16:38 | Link #21379 |
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Well, now I'm wondering if all that stuff in Episode 6 about message bottle forgeries and different authors was actually some kind of metaphor for Ryukishi deviating from whatever he had planned out after the first few Episodes. Assuming it ever happened, of course.
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2011-01-07, 16:59 | Link #21380 | |
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Well I think that's pretty much what happened during the anime season. You should remember that, and how difficult it was to make them understand the concept of "catbox". From what I understood, EP3 was supposed to be even more "magical" than EP2 without any kind of input about unreliable perspectives and the concept of fake scenes. You must put yourself in Ryuukishi's perspective. When he talks about difficulty you probably think about murder cases and tricks. I think he's actually talking about the interpretation of the general events. After all it seems that's the only thing that matters in umineko, and the serial murder is just something in the background.
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