AnimeSuki Forums

bhl88 · 2012-03-26, 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Coming from watching further spoilers it's apparently now confirmed that...

Spoiler for ....:

T_T For someone who's supposed to be the main character (Vivi[d]o).... she lost the match T_T (and I thought she died cause she became a clone and reached zero HP)

Akiyoshi · 2012-03-26, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhl88

T_T For someone who's supposed to be the main character (Vivi[d]o).... she lost the match T_T

To be fair that's not something entirely unheard of, but yeah, it's a bit unusual.

Comes to mind Yusuke Urameshi in the last Arc of YuYu Hakusho, Goku didn't win the Tenkaichi Budokai Tournament until his 3rd try, Ash Ketchum NEVER managed to win any game-canonical league(he only ends up champion in filler arcs), and so on... I gues it comes with the "i still have a lot to learn" feeling which makes sense for Vivio and the girls since they're powerfull but still unexperienced amateurs.

bhl88 · 2012-03-26, 13:04

Vivio didn't even reach the semi-finals......

LostSome · 2012-03-26, 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhl88

Vivio didn't even reach the semi-finals......

Making it in the top 4 with that level of competition ?
This isn`t Pokémon.

The possible lack of Einhart-Vivio fight is a surprise.

Akiyoshi · 2012-03-26, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by LostSome

The possible lack of Einhart-Vivio fight is a surprise.

Ash and Gary didn't have a chance to face each other in the Kanto League either. In fact, both were eliminated before the finals which kickstarted Gary's character developement.

Keroko · 2012-03-26, 14:06

It would've been too fast if they'd do that now, to be honest. We've barely been introduced to many of these characters, having them all just be throwaway characters would be a waste. Besides, our cast was explicitly told they'd have trouble even getting as far as they have.

Now the big kicker for me is how will Einhart's next match go? Smashing defeat? Close call but defeated? Miraculous win? I'd hope the first, Einhart needs a good loss that actually matters emotionally.

Justin_Brett · 2012-03-26, 14:08

Didn't they tease Rio's fight last chapter? They'll probably show that, maybe something else, and then Einhart's next battle. Maybe it'll be Victoria?

Akiyoshi · 2012-03-26, 14:08

Probably the same could happen to Miura. Seh managed to score an impressive win against Vivio only to be stompped on her next match against one of the uber powerfull veterans xD

Keroko · 2012-03-26, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Didn't they tease Rio's fight last chapter? They'll probably show that, maybe something else, and then Einhart's next battle. Maybe it'll be Victoria?

Yeah, Rio's going to be first, but I was more theorycrafting on how Einhart and her status as Vivid's 'true' main character will influence her next battle.

Key Board · 2012-03-28, 00:47

interesting developments, if true

edit: It seems the rumors are true.

So is Vivio out of this tourny?

00-Raiser · 2012-03-31, 01:15

Full raw out

Spoiler:

bhl88 · 2012-03-31, 01:52

When is the tournament held? Every year?

And my reaction: somethings wrong with Vivio!

Keroko · 2012-03-31, 02:09

Please don't use the clone degradation plot, please please please.

Justin_Brett · 2012-03-31, 02:17

Quote:

So whatever it is that's wrong with Vivio acted up allowing Miura to score several decisive hits including the finishing blow. So prepare for the cries of "Miura only won because something is wrong with Vivio!"

I don't think people like Vivio enough to do that.

Keroko · 2012-03-31, 02:25

I do, but I don't see anything wrong with Miura's victory regardless. Strengths and weaknesses are vital to winning or losing a tournament. Your health is part of that.

Kaijo · 2012-03-31, 09:20

I figured something was wrong with Vivio. Clone degradation is the obvious choice, but we'll see. There ARE reasons why cloning is forbidden in the Bureau, after all. However, Fate and Erio seem just fine, so who knows?

This could lead to Einhart being motivated enough to really try hard and win the tournament, but I thought this was Vivio's story.

Oh, and I don't see a problem with Miura winning because of this, but I get the feeling she'll have the attitude of "I won because something is wrong with Vivio? I don't feel comfortable with that kind of a win. I want a rematch when Vivio is all better." And then Vivio may urge her to continue anyway.

Akiyoshi · 2012-03-31, 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaijo

Oh, and I don't see a problem with Miura winning because of this, but I get the feeling she'll have the attitude of "I won because something is wrong with Vivio? I don't feel comfortable with that kind of a win. I want a rematch when Vivio is all better." And then Vivio may urge her to continue anyway.

Yup, i think this is the approach Mura will and should take xD It's a bit frustrating to have the worth of your victory being stained by such an inconvenience. It's like Signum VS. Zest, one can argue she only won that fight because Zest was already dying.

Keroko · 2012-03-31, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaijo

This could lead to Einhart being motivated enough to really try hard and win the tournament, but I thought this was Vivio's story.

Remind me, when exactly has the plot of this manga revolved around Vivio? Not since the first chapter. This manga has been about Einhart ever since her introduction.

It's just like S1 is about Fate and A's is about Hayate, while Nanoha is merely pushing the cart. It really looks like Vivid is sticking to the "main characters aren't really the main characters" line of thinking.

But yeah, clone degradation. Blegh.

00-Raiser · 2012-03-31, 11:17

Clone degradation would be stupid, though. Why is it only happening now? Why are Fate and the Numbers just fine?

I think there might be a wild card slot. Vivio will fight in a loser bracket and win her way back into the main tournament.

Craxuan · 2012-03-31, 11:37

Probably has something to do with her Adult Form most likely. Remember that Einhalt saw the memories of er... I don't remember the name, BUT, it looks like Vivio's starting to have the same reaction as well.

2012-03-26, 13:04	Link #1983
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	Vivio didn't even reach the semi-finals...... __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-03-26, 14:08	Link #1988
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Probably the same could happen to Miura. Seh managed to score an impressive win against Vivio only to be stompped on her next match against one of the uber powerfull veterans xD __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-03-28, 00:47	Link #1990
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	interesting developments, if true edit: It seems the rumors are true. So is Vivio out of this tourny? __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell Last edited by Key Board; 2012-03-29 at 12:12.

2012-03-31, 01:15	Link #1991
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Full raw out Spoiler: So whatever it is that's wrong with Vivio acted up allowing Miura to score several decisive hits including the finishing blow. So prepare for the cries of "Miura only won because something is wrong with Vivio!" __________________

2012-03-31, 01:52	Link #1992
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	When is the tournament held? Every year? And my reaction: somethings wrong with Vivio! __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-03-26, 14:06	Link #1986
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	It would've been too fast if they'd do that now, to be honest. We've barely been introduced to many of these characters, having them all just be throwaway characters would be a waste. Besides, our cast was explicitly told they'd have trouble even getting as far as they have. Now the big kicker for me is how will Einhart's next match go? Smashing defeat? Close call but defeated? Miraculous win? I'd hope the first, Einhart needs a good loss that actually matters emotionally.

2012-03-26, 14:08	Link #1987
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Didn't they tease Rio's fight last chapter? They'll probably show that, maybe something else, and then Einhart's next battle. Maybe it'll be Victoria?

2012-03-31, 02:09	Link #1993
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Please don't use the clone degradation plot, please please please.

2012-03-31, 02:25	Link #1995
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	I do, but I don't see anything wrong with Miura's victory regardless. Strengths and weaknesses are vital to winning or losing a tournament. Your health is part of that.

2012-03-31, 09:20	Link #1996
Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	I figured something was wrong with Vivio. Clone degradation is the obvious choice, but we'll see. There ARE reasons why cloning is forbidden in the Bureau, after all. However, Fate and Erio seem just fine, so who knows? This could lead to Einhart being motivated enough to really try hard and win the tournament, but I thought this was Vivio's story. Oh, and I don't see a problem with Miura winning because of this, but I get the feeling she'll have the attitude of "I won because something is wrong with Vivio? I don't feel comfortable with that kind of a win. I want a rematch when Vivio is all better." And then Vivio may urge her to continue anyway.

2012-03-31, 11:17	Link #1999
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Clone degradation would be stupid, though. Why is it only happening now? Why are Fate and the Numbers just fine? I think there might be a wild card slot. Vivio will fight in a loser bracket and win her way back into the main tournament. __________________

2012-03-31, 11:37	Link #2000
Craxuan Crax Author Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: MY	Probably has something to do with her Adult Form most likely. Remember that Einhalt saw the memories of er... I don't remember the name, BUT, it looks like Vivio's starting to have the same reaction as well. __________________