Monogatari Series - Q & A

[Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

I checked, and the original text is this:

Spoiler for kanji:

「楽天的ねえ」
「そうじゃなくて？」
「かもしんね。でも、いいんじゃねえの？」
　僕は言った。
「別に、楽天的でも」
「…………」
「悪いことをしてるわけじゃないし、ズルしているわけでもないんだから、堂々としてりゃいいんだよ。今みた いに」
「今みたいに？」
　きょとんとする戦場ヶ原。
　自分の器《うつわ》のでかさに気付いていないご様子だ。
「悪いことを――しているわけじゃない、か」
「だろ？」
「まあ、そうね」
　戦場ヶ原は、しかし、そう言ったあとで、
「でも」
　と、続けた。
「でも――ズルはしているかも」
「え？」
「なんでもないわ」

The term in question doesn't mean "cheating", it means "conning", that is to swindle.

Araragi: "It's not like I'm doing something bad, and I'm not conning you[...]"
[...]
Senjougahara: "You are not doing something bad, huh [...] However, you might be conning me"

Senjougahara had met several swindlers before, so she was wary of supposed saviors.

Originally Posted by omimon

She thinks that your forehead is something that you need to protect more than your panties.

Originally Posted by Shikijin

This is explained in the novel, but not in the anime. In the novel Sengoku has the hair covering her eyes, so much that Araragi even doubts she can actually see well. So he tries to touch her hair to test it, but for Sengoku the hair is the "place to guard", so she dodges Araragi's hand with surprisingly quick movements. Then Araragi tries the opposite side, and grabs her skirt. No reaction at all from Sengoku, because she only cares about her hair. Araragi though understands flipping up her skirt is not very manly, so he desists.

EDIT: to be exact, it's the forelocks that she cares the most.

Oh wow I see, thanks for clearing all that up. That's pretty interesting actually, do we know the reason why she's so protective of her hair?

[Shikijin]

Originally Posted by Rhythm

Oh wow I see, thanks for clearing all that up. That's pretty interesting actually, do we know the reason why she's so protective of her hair?

The title of her next story gives a clue:

Spoiler for otorimonogatari:

Nadeko MEDUSA

Also in Nisemonogatari

Spoiler for nise:

after she combed aside her forelocks showing her eyes for the first time, Araragi feels her glare looks a bit like that of a serpent!

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

The title of her next story gives a clue:

Spoiler for otorimonogatari:

Nadeko MEDUSA

Also in Nisemonogatari

Spoiler for nise:

after she combed aside her forelocks showing her eyes for the first time, Araragi feels her glare looks a bit like that of a serpent!

Yea, there's been a lot of talk lately about even thought Nisio said Nise 2 was the last book at the time that he actually planned everything out.

[Buddy Waters]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

I checked, and the original text is this:

Spoiler for kanji:

「楽天的ねえ」
「そうじゃなくて？」
「かもしんね。でも、いいんじゃねえの？」
　僕は言った。
「別に、楽天的でも」
「…………」
「悪いことをしてるわけじゃないし、ズルしているわけでもないんだから、堂々としてりゃいいんだよ。今みた いに」
「今みたいに？」
　きょとんとする戦場ヶ原。
　自分の器《うつわ》のでかさに気付いていないご様子だ。
「悪いことを――しているわけじゃない、か」
「だろ？」
「まあ、そうね」
　戦場ヶ原は、しかし、そう言ったあとで、
「でも」
　と、続けた。
「でも――ズルはしているかも」
「え？」
「なんでもないわ」

The term in question doesn't mean "cheating", it means "conning", that is to swindle.

Araragi: "It's not like I'm doing something bad, and I'm not conning you[...]"
[...]
Senjougahara: "You are not doing something bad, huh [...] However, you might be conning me"

Senjougahara had met several swindlers before, so she was wary of supposed saviors.

I think you've got the subject wrong here; Senjogahara is the one not doing anything wrong, and not being "zurui" (a word that needs to be translated in a lot of ways depending on the context.
He's recommending she be more "rakutenteki" -- the word I translated as carefree, and the subtitles originally referenced translated as optimistic.
This is why she doesn't seem to understand how she's being bold/confident; that line doesn't work if Araragi is the subject.

I think I specifically took zurui to refer to her testing him by parading around naked; that the confidence he was praising was actually part of that test, and therefore "zurui."

[Shikijin]

Spoiler for the dialogue before:

「だから阿良々木くん。私は――だからね、たまたま［＃「たまたま」に傍点］階段で足を滑らせて、たまたま ［＃「たまたま」に傍点］それを受け止めてくれたクラスメイトが、たまたま［＃「たまたま」に傍点］春休み に吸血鬼に襲われていて、たまたま［＃「たまたま」に傍点］それを救ってくれた人が、たまたま［＃「たまた ま」に傍点］クラスの委員長にも関わっていて――そして更に、たまたま［＃「たまたま」に傍点］私の力にも なってくれるだなんて、そんな楽天的な風には、どうしたって、ちっとも思えないの」
　言って――
　戦場ヶ原は、カーディガンを脱ぎ始めた。
「折角《せっかく》着たのに、なんで脱ぐんだよ」
「髪を乾かすのを忘れていたわ」
「お前ひょっとしてただの馬鹿なんじゃないか？」
「失礼なことを言わないでくれるかしら？　私が傷ついたら大変じゃないの」
　ドライヤーはやたら高そうなものだった。
　身だしなみには気を遣う方らしい。
　そういう目で見れば、確かに、今戦場ヶ原が着用している下着も、結構お洒落なそれであるようだったが、し かし、なんだか、昨日まではあれほど魅惑的に僕の人生の大半を支配していたその憧憬《しょうけい》の対象が 、今となってはもうただの布きれにしか見えない。なんだかものすごい心の傷を現在進行形で植えつけられてい る気がする。
「楽天的ねえ」

I have only read what was before so far, anyway Senjougahara was talking about all the chances involved in her being saved by Araragi, revealing a certain skepticism. There is a brief derailment and then they are back to the subject of "optimistic" (which is optimistically specifically about Araragi ending up having helped her). The way I saw it Araragi was trying to win Senjougahara's diffidence about his own actions.

Thinking better though, your translation could be the correct one. Japanese doesn't require a subject for verbs, so who does what is a bit confusing at the times. In addition, the verb connected to optimistic, "omoeru" can also be used in impersonal sentences (thus the dictionary translates it with "appear" or "seem likely"), so there may have not been any subject in the first place.

"Zurui" simply implies the use of cunningness, so the proper translation may vary according to the interpretation (in fact not even rendering it with cheating is per se wrong). However I am inclined to believe they are talking about Araragi's actions, whoever is the zurui one.

Another thing: you translated 器のでかさ with "amazing performance". I don't know if this was what you implied, but I think it's a variant of
器の大きい (adj-i) tolerant (e.g. to others misbehaviour)

In this context, Hitagi was letting Araragi see her half-naked, so there is a degree of tolerance involved (which seems to fluctuate as Hitagi sometimes lashed out at Araragi even for lesser reasons).

[Buddy Waters]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

Another thing: you translated 器のでかさ with "amazing performance". I don't know if this was what you implied, but I think it's a variant of
器の大きい (adj-i) tolerant (e.g. to others misbehaviour)

In this context, Hitagi was letting Araragi see her half-naked, so there is a degree of tolerance involved (which seems to fluctuate as Hitagi sometimes lashed out at Araragi even for lesser reasons).

Utsuwa no ookii means a hell of a lot more than "tolerant"; in fact, most of the time it refers to someone's potential for greatness. I took it to mean Araragi viewed what she was doing as something no one ordinary would ever have managed. I'm less confident on that interpretation than I am on the subject issue, though.

[Shikijin]

Originally Posted by Buddy Waters

Utsuwa no ookii means a hell of a lot more than "tolerant"; in fact, most of the time it refers to someone's potential for greatness. I took it to mean Araragi viewed what she was doing as something no one ordinary would ever have managed. I'm less confident on that interpretation than I am on the subject issue, though.

I see, indeed most of the times it's "a person of high caliber". Only EDICT seems to use "tolerant". Probably it has that meaning only when used for sweet talk, in the sense of "closing one eye".

Well, I give up. I can't come up with anything without having read the whole thing, and even then I may be wrong. I apologize for having created more confusion than enlightenment.

EDIT: I think in the end the 器のでかさ was some kind of sarcasm related to the fact that in that occasion (今みたいに) Hitagi was half-naked. The key is the adjective 堂々. Looking among the possibile meanings, there was this on kotobank:
２ なんの隠しだてもないさま。こそこそしないさま。「正面切って―と戦う」「白昼―」
No secrecy, no stealthiness (a form of confidence after all). In other words Hitagi half-naked. 器のでかさ referred not to Hitagi in her entirety, but only to her quality of being 堂々, the extent of which she was unaware. Well, this is probably what you meant in the first place.

[Buddy Waters]

Originally Posted by Shikijin

EDIT: I think in the end the 器のでかさ was some kind of sarcasm related to the fact that in that occasion (今みたいに) Hitagi was half-naked. The key is the adjective 堂々. Looking among the possibile meanings, there was this on kotobank:
２ なんの隠しだてもないさま。こそこそしないさま。「正面切って―と戦う」「白昼―」
No secrecy, no stealthiness (a form of confidence after all). In other words Hitagi half-naked. 器のでかさ referred not to Hitagi in her entirety, but only to her quality of being 堂々, the extent of which she was unaware. Well, this is probably what you meant in the first place.

Yeah. I definitely agree with everything here.

[Rhythm]

Wow...I'm just envious of just how much you guys understand Japanese.

[Shadow5YA]

Can somebody tell me what the timeline is for the novels, or at least the individual story arcs?

[Shikijin]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Can somebody tell me what the timeline is for the novels, or at least the individual story arcs?

This is a repost of stuff posted here by someone, slightly modified.

Spoiler for timeline of bake:

March 25 - Koyomi sees Tsubasa's panties. (ep 1)
March 26 - Koyomi meets the vampire.
March 28 - Koyomi meets Oshino Meme.
April 7 - Vampire incident concludes.
April 8 - School starts after spring break; Koyomi and Tsubasa become classmates.
April 29 - Golden Week incident begins.
May 7 - Golden Week incident resolved.
May 8 - Hitagi falls into Koyomi's arms, Shinobu gets her new name. (ep 1-2)
May 14 - Koyomi meets Mayoi; Hitagi and Koyomi become a couple. (ep 3-5)
May end (?) - Kanbaru incident. (ep 6-8)
June 11-12 - Nadeko incident. (ep 9-10)
June 13 - Koyomi has lunch with Hitagi; meets Nadeko and Tsubasa outside school; Hitagi date. (ep 11-12)
June 14 - The cat that possessed Tsubasa reappears; Shinobu saves the day; Meme leaves the city (ep 13-15)

[Wigwams]

btw... when the whole forelocks things happened between nadeko and koyomi. when hanekawa arrived, why did nadeko suddenly run away?

[Miyuki-ism]

Originally Posted by Wigwams

btw... when the whole forelocks things happened between nadeko and koyomi. when hanekawa arrived, why did nadeko suddenly run away?

Same here. I think someone explained it before, but I forget now.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Wigwams

btw... when the whole forelocks things happened between nadeko and koyomi. when hanekawa arrived, why did nadeko suddenly run away?

She's not good with people she don't know I think.

[Wigwams]

hmm. but she was OK with kanbaru?

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Wigwams

hmm. but she was OK with kanbaru?

Well Kanbaru is REALLY good with little girls if you know what I mean. Also we didn't the scene where they first met so we don't know.

[pampz21]

New here and I don't know where to read the novel so im just gonna ask this?
Araragi wasn't attack by the vampire but let her suck his blood?
and that Araragi likes Senjougahara but likes to preserve his friendship with everyone? so meaning he has feelings for everyone of them!

BTW I wanted ShinobuXKoyomi

[omimon]

Originally Posted by pampz21

New here and I don't know where to read the novel so im just gonna ask this?
Araragi wasn't attack by the vampire but let her suck his blood?
and that Araragi likes Senjougahara but likes to preserve his friendship with everyone? so meaning he has feelings for everyone of them!

BTW I wanted ShinobuXKoyomi

I want ShinobuxKoyomi too and it will happen just not now. Yes, he let her suck his blood in order to save her life. As for why he plays with other girls......hes a pervert, there really isn't a better answer than that.

[gowfan05]

Will there be a Season 2??? what is being released in septemeber 2011??? (i read it on wikipedia and was curious if it is an OVA)

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by gowfan05

Will there be a Season 2??? what is being released in septemeber 2011??? (i read it on wikipedia and was curious if it is an OVA)

Kizumonogatari the prequel story has be announced to be animated[see thread below this], though it's rumored to be a movie, the format nor date are confirmed currently.