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Although there are nature based religions that are just telling you how to live in harmony with nature or the way the world works. |
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I've acknowledged nothing of the sort. I'll try to go over this again... A hunter-gatherer, in the truest sense of the phrase, is precisely that. They hunt, they gather. That is how they survive. They are not interested in beliefs about anything. They are not interested in the idea of a "false reality." They hunt, they gather, they survive. If you told them "Hey, you know this reality might not really be real," they'd grunt at you, and then probably hunt and gather you for survival. A true, honest, 100% hunter-gatherer does not follow a set of beliefs that do not directly correlate to its own survival. They believe that if they hunt and gather, they will survive. And they do. And that's it. I suppose if you want to say that their belief is "the belief in hunting and gathering to survive," then fine... I'll concede.
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And no, hunter-gatherer's do not "not accept reality and therefore suffer and die." If they suffer and die, it is because something bigger and stronger came and killed them, or because they did not put in the work to perpetuate their own survival.
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Obviously this a generalization, as I realize the Amish are far more than that. I use the terms farmers and workers to illustrate that they use sophisticated tools and production means to perpetuate their survival, in a far greater capacity than they may hunt or gather. Hunter-gatherers, in this sense, did not have access to those tools that farmers and workers did.
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2009-10-01, 06:35 | Link #2272 |
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This is another thing Protestants also disagree on that Peter was the first pope.I don't quite remember the exact locations mentioned, but Protestants I know said that Peter was never in Rome and his remains were found somewhere else. They also said that it's not on Peter that God, the Father would build his church on. Jesus was the rock the church was to be built on, not Peter.
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Hunter-gathering groups typically revere the animals they hunt and "give thanks" to them. One of the earliest forms of religion, if you will. They also tended to have anthropomorphic views on natural forces (lightning, thunder, rivers, etc) and attempt to appease them so that the hunt would go easier.
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As for the "rock"... those Protestants you mention either didn't communicate clearly or were misinformed about their own religion. Jesus himself is quoted as saying that Peter would be the foundation/rock on which the faith/church would be built. However, to be fair - here's the somewhat tortured reasoning *some* Protestants use to argue that Jesus is "the rock": http://www.wordoftruthradio.com/questions/47.html (this is an argument used by some evangelical groups). One thing to remember when researching/learning about a religion is that frequently its own adherents have no flipping idea what they're talking about in regard to their own religion. They haven't done their homework or read their own materials. Sometimes they are cherry-picking the texts. Also, (and this seems to be a larger and larger problem) - remember that EVANGELICALS do not speak for the entirety of Christianity, they only assert they do (much like the radical muslim groups claiming to speak for all who follow Islam when they do not). Personally, I often find it fascinatingly odd when evangelical christians quote the Old Testament much more often than the New Testament...
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Jesus as the rock makes little sense. Unlike "Peter", "Jesus" doesn't mean "rock".
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2009-10-01, 12:56 | Link #2279 |
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The Neanderthals clearly believed in respect for the dead and what may have been some form of after-life (based on how they buried their dead). They were also altruistic (caring for clearly disabled). And... they were not our ancestors - they were a parallel branch to CroMagnon. We shared a common ancestor but they existed alongside of us. Two sentient species...
Every sentient creature has a "belief structure" (code of living, set of ethics, ideas about how the universe works, who's in charge, etc). How that structure is developed is pretty key though ... structure via revelation? (usually religion) structure via scientific method? (hypothesize, data collect, modify or throw out model, repeat), some combination?
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2009-10-01, 13:03 | Link #2280 |
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One may be surprised that elephants also show a level of respect and interest in death.
Some people say that the study of nature and the so-called 'marvels' of the universe only reinforce their faith. For me sometimes it only works to reassure myself in how self centred humanity is to believe all of that.
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