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ShinAkuma135 · 2010-06-14, 22:14

i just really want ichigo to somehow be linked to a noble house for the sole reason of seeing byakuyas expression when it happens....and having him related to byakuya house....well then i would die from overpleasure.

that being said im assuming isshin is former 10th squad. highly doubtful he's zero guard...

Langus · 2010-06-14, 23:13

Hasn't it already been ruled out through process of elimination that he isn't from the 10th squad?

ViLe124 · 2010-06-15, 13:46

Isshin is awesome, can't wait to see his backstory revealed. He's certainly a quite confusing character.. I wonder what kubo is planning.

saiyanjustin · 2010-06-18, 08:27

Spoiler for Character:

Okay, first of all, Isshin obviously isn't from the Gotei 13. Captain Commander Yamamoto would know of his existence and would know that Ichigo was his son. If not by their names, but by their similarities in their rieatsu. Also, Soul Society can monitor any Gigai that they dispatch, so they rules out the Isshin being sent to train him by the Gotei 13. NOW, he could be sent by the spirit king considering his high level of spirit pressure. But, the way Aizen talked about the spirit king makes me thing that he's not this "all so powerful" god that everyone thinks he is. If you take into account the fact that they said Ichigo's mother died in a "car accident" when he was little. She probably wasn't killed by a car accident. How old is ichigo? 16? This theory doesn't make him old enough, but maybe Isshin gave up his soul reaper powers after she died because either he couldn't protect her or he lost them trying to save her. Whatever it is, you can rule out any Gotei 13 relation because the Captain Commander FOUNDED the gotei 13. So, obviously he would know who he was even if he was a low class in the SS ranks. There's no way he was "promoted" to the royal guard. He had to have been born into it. Maybe ichigo's mother was the daughter of the spirit king and he gave up his powers to live a normal human life with her? but not they returned? who knows. Tell me what you think.

Also, just thought i'd throw in this quote from Bleachwiki that supports my theory of Isshin giving up his powers after not being able to save his wife:
"According to Tatsuki Arisawa, Ichigo stopped crying every time he saw his mother. She claimed Ichigo had the most beautiful mother ever, and took it upon himself for her death. Isshin also thought it was his fault his wife died. He says this the reason being he could not get there in time to protect her from the Grand Fisher. When Ichigo asked him why nobody ever blamed him for his mother's death, Isshin explained to him that he was "the man the woman I fell in love with gave her life to save." He also added that when they meet each other again, if he had ever blamed Ichigo, Masaki would not be able to forgive him. "

Langus · 2010-06-18, 09:28

I'm not sure what you're on about with the car accident bit, but as far as Yamamoto and Isshin goes, I don't believe the old man has seen Isshin in action as of yet? We have no idea what he thinks about him. Barring that possibility, there's also the potential that Isshin's mission in the real world, whatever it is, is top secret. No one who knew of it (presumably Yamamoto and maybe a few other older captains) was permitted to discuss it so Ichigo never heard about it. Additionally, Ichigo has had minimal to no contact with some of SS's highest ranking captains. Certainly not long enough to get into lengthy discussions about his origins.

saiyanjustin · 2010-06-19, 03:04

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Originally Posted by Langus

I'm not sure what you're on about with the car accident bit, but as far as Yamamoto and Isshin goes, I don't believe the old man has seen Isshin in action as of yet? We have no idea what he thinks about him. Barring that possibility, there's also the potential that Isshin's mission in the real world, whatever it is, is top secret. No one who knew of it (presumably Yamamoto and maybe a few other older captains) was permitted to discuss it so Ichigo never heard about it. Additionally, Ichigo has had minimal to no contact with some of SS's highest ranking captains. Certainly not long enough to get into lengthy discussions about his origins.

Sorry, i didn't mean car accident. In one of the later mangas isshin talks about his wife's "accident" and i think i just misinterpreted in my head.

dustinh · 2010-06-20, 04:25

I think it's possible that isshin might have been a substitute shinigami like Ichigo. It looks like a captains coat wrapped around his arm but It could not be his. Perhaps, it's ichigos mothers. I think that his mother was possibly a member of the royal guard. Who is the only known member of the royal guard? Hikifune Kirio former 12 division captain. Not much is known about her so it would be something to consider. His mother could have given isshin his powers the same way rukia gave ichigo his. As a punishment for this, she had her powers sealed and possibly so was isshins. If you remember right, it is against the law in SS to give another shinigami powers. Aizen even mentioned that meeting rukia was not a coincidence, perhaps he wanted the same thing to happen to ichigo as his father.

Curlyfry · 2010-06-23, 00:39

I don't know,but I'm sticking with my Isshin royal family/guard theory,it explains why none of the captains know him.

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ShinAkuma135 · 2010-06-23, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Langus

Hasn't it already been ruled out through process of elimination that he isn't from the 10th squad?

oh it was? dang...what were the reasons if you don't mind me asking? this was my star theory and now its down the drain....

Langus · 2010-06-23, 12:20

I can't remember them off the top of my head but it had to do with timing and the pendulum arc. Basically there wasn't any time he could have been from the 10th squad where people wouldn't know him or recognize his reiatsu or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure the arguments are in this thread if you do a search.

catalyss · 2010-06-25, 00:12

ok so my theory is that isshin is either the king him self or a direct blood relation to the king. my reason are the fact no one really knows what he is, the fact that he felt he can fight azien with out releasing his zanpaktou, and the head butt of doom he did to his own son. the reason i think he might be the king is because no one in recent memory (or something like that) has ever seen the king for all we know hes hiding in the real world cuzz if he wasn't you think azein could have done what he did with out zero squad stepping in or the king stepping in. and i don't think he is in royal guard because the only thing we now is the promote from to goete 13 yama would at least now of isshin (but like it been pointed out that yama hasn't seen isshin).

and my theory bout the RG is that they get the hollow transformation as the power boost they need (look at what the vizard and ichigo can do). with that said my theory get even more silly i think ichigo mom was of the RG and isshin fell for her and went in to hiding to have a family away from the ss and that's why ichigo power is so huge. seeing his dad being royal and his mom being from the RG. and the sister there power haven't fully awaken like ichigo power has and there power may take a different form ie healing and what not.

that just the one theory i have had the most time to flush out with that said feel free to correct my spelling and any factual errors.

cheers

Curlyfry · 2010-06-25, 17:02

Wouldn't doubt it.He is hella strong.But I found out that his zanpakuto's name is Engetsu and apparently(or at least this is what the bleach wiki says)it means scathing moon.

kamyu · 2010-06-26, 13:34

Spoiler for crazy manga theory:

Tool of Society · 2010-07-12, 20:47

Masaki was a quincy...

SakuraHououji-NoMiko · 2010-07-15, 04:49

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Originally Posted by Tool of Society

Masaki was a quincy...

nice theory, and I wouldn't mind it being true but where was her Quincy Cross? I gotta look at her images in the anime and manga again, lol. And as a Quincy shouldn't she have sensed the presence of a Hollow and walked home a different way since Ichigo was with her?

And another thing, in the mangas I've read, when Aizen is telling Ichigo his heritage he says something like, "After all you are the son of a Shinigami and a..." then Ishin flashes it complaining that Aizen never knew how to shut up/mind his biz/w/e. But, when Ichigo is thinking in his head, it reads "Between a human and a ..." and it confused the crap out of me!

Has anyone else encountered/noticed this? So, as Aizen pointed out that ONE of Ichigo's parents is a Shinigami at least and evidence would point to Ishin (whether he's from nobility, the royal court or not he, IS a shinigami) and I keep reading that "NO one recognizes him!" If I remember correctly everyone is pretty much passed the F' out cause their butts were beaten and the only ones to really SEE him are Ichigo, Aizen, Gin, Urahara, and Yoruichi. And also there were hints that Ishin is at least KNOWLEDGABLE about the Vizards from that convo he had with Urahara when he defeated grand Fisher Arrancar. Also remember we don't know how old he is or why he came to the Real World. And we all know that even if Yama-jii knows something, he'll keep it to himself unless he feels the need to disclose it. Also, something I remember is Aizen's reaction to the former female 12 Division Captain (before Urahara) being promoted to royal guard, wonder if that could have been Masaki, lol. Anyway I always wondered about his reaction to that news.

On a lighter note: Wouldn't it be awesome is Masaki was really THE KING! lol, talk about an awesome heritage and would explain his awesome spirit power to as much as her being a Quincy would. Just a human and a Shinigami should like he should have weaker sp , not stronger, then the average Shinigami. Anyway is all theory and hypothetical till KT lets us know and I've heard

Spoiler for future arc:

ShinAkuma135 · 2010-07-19, 00:21

so what we know is that isshin is a shinigami...and ichigo is @$%@#@#$??....and as partly told by aizen he's part shinigami and part ???....im thinking his mother might've been someone from hell. maybe isshin and ishida's dad had a mission to hell once upon a time and isshin managed to bring her back....im not saying she was an inhabitant, but maybe on a council/gotei 13/squad of hell or whatever it has.

he's not regular vizard since he was born like that...and he's not standard shinigami either.

i just really want to see hell.....manga arc wise...not literally....

Knjaz · 2010-07-20, 05:49

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Originally Posted by ShinAkuma135

so what we know is that isshin is a shinigami...and ichigo is @$%@#@#$??....and as partly told by aizen he's part shinigami and part ???....im thinking his mother might've been someone from hell. maybe isshin and ishida's dad had a mission to hell once upon a time and isshin managed to bring her back....im not saying she was an inhabitant, but maybe on a council/gotei 13/squad of hell or whatever it has.

he's not regular vizard since he was born like that...and he's not standard shinigami either.

i just really want to see hell.....manga arc wise...not literally....

The outlook of Ichigo's lvl2 hollow form fits that very well, imho.

ShinAkuma135 · 2010-07-20, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Knjaz

The outlook of Ichigo's lvl2 hollow form fits that very well, imho.

agreed. that could also very well be the reason he was kicked out/dismissed/had his power taken away in the first place. im assuming he and uryuu's dad weren't exactly the 'follow blindly' type and were probably trouble makers though powerful (kinda like kyoraku) and were supposed to wipe some people out in hell and instead saved one....

which leads me to my second mystery....where in holy hell did she go after she die? i mean....if she went to seretei somewhere around there she woulda had to have heard her husbands name since he's a captain....orrrr much later she most certainly would have gotten word of ichigo since he and his friends spent half the episodes running all over the dang place.

ichigo's mom is suspiciously innocent...and most of the time in manga and anime that means having a sketchy background

Langus · 2010-07-20, 10:05

I'm pretty sure it was covered in the early chapters of the manga/anime that when souls are sent to Soul Society they have no memory or very little memory of their human life. It's why they live in families they've created for themselves. Watch the episode with Chad and the bird. The kid does a good job of explaining it all.

Given that, if Ichigo's mom IS in SS she likely has no idea who Ichigo or Isshin are.

dragonmeister · 2010-07-20, 13:40

I thought it wasn't that Ichigo was born as a vizard, but that he took so long to find Zangetsu that he'd almost become a hollow when he finally became a shinigami (although that would suggest that Ichigo was closer to an arrancar)

2010-06-14, 23:13	Link #802
Langus Optimus Prime Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Japan/Canada Age: 39	Hasn't it already been ruled out through process of elimination that he isn't from the 10th squad? __________________ (This magnificent sig. is courtesy of the talented Kuroda )

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saiyanjustin Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	bleh Spoiler for Character: Okay, first of all, Isshin obviously isn't from the Gotei 13. Captain Commander Yamamoto would know of his existence and would know that Ichigo was his son. If not by their names, but by their similarities in their rieatsu. Also, Soul Society can monitor any Gigai that they dispatch, so they rules out the Isshin being sent to train him by the Gotei 13. NOW, he could be sent by the spirit king considering his high level of spirit pressure. But, the way Aizen talked about the spirit king makes me thing that he's not this "all so powerful" god that everyone thinks he is. If you take into account the fact that they said Ichigo's mother died in a "car accident" when he was little. She probably wasn't killed by a car accident. How old is ichigo? 16? This theory doesn't make him old enough, but maybe Isshin gave up his soul reaper powers after she died because either he couldn't protect her or he lost them trying to save her. Whatever it is, you can rule out any Gotei 13 relation because the Captain Commander FOUNDED the gotei 13. So, obviously he would know who he was even if he was a low class in the SS ranks. There's no way he was "promoted" to the royal guard. He had to have been born into it. Maybe ichigo's mother was the daughter of the spirit king and he gave up his powers to live a normal human life with her? but not they returned? who knows. Tell me what you think. Also, just thought i'd throw in this quote from Bleachwiki that supports my theory of Isshin giving up his powers after not being able to save his wife: "According to Tatsuki Arisawa, Ichigo stopped crying every time he saw his mother. She claimed Ichigo had the most beautiful mother ever, and took it upon himself for her death. Isshin also thought it was his fault his wife died. He says this the reason being he could not get there in time to protect her from the Grand Fisher. When Ichigo asked him why nobody ever blamed him for his mother's death, Isshin explained to him that he was "the man the woman I fell in love with gave her life to save." He also added that when they meet each other again, if he had ever blamed Ichigo, Masaki would not be able to forgive him. " Last edited by saiyanjustin; 2010-06-18 at 08:40.

2010-06-18, 09:28	Link #805
Langus Optimus Prime Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Japan/Canada Age: 39	I'm not sure what you're on about with the car accident bit, but as far as Yamamoto and Isshin goes, I don't believe the old man has seen Isshin in action as of yet? We have no idea what he thinks about him. Barring that possibility, there's also the potential that Isshin's mission in the real world, whatever it is, is top secret. No one who knew of it (presumably Yamamoto and maybe a few other older captains) was permitted to discuss it so Ichigo never heard about it. Additionally, Ichigo has had minimal to no contact with some of SS's highest ranking captains. Certainly not long enough to get into lengthy discussions about his origins. __________________ (This magnificent sig. is courtesy of the talented Kuroda )

2010-06-23, 00:39	Link #808
Curlyfry Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	None I don't know,but I'm sticking with my Isshin royal family/guard theory,it explains why none of the captains know him.:

2010-06-23, 12:20	Link #810
Langus Optimus Prime Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Japan/Canada Age: 39	I can't remember them off the top of my head but it had to do with timing and the pendulum arc. Basically there wasn't any time he could have been from the 10th squad where people wouldn't know him or recognize his reiatsu or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure the arguments are in this thread if you do a search. __________________ (This magnificent sig. is courtesy of the talented Kuroda )

2010-06-14, 22:14	Link #801
ShinAkuma135 King of Beasts Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Inside my head	i just really want ichigo to somehow be linked to a noble house for the sole reason of seeing byakuyas expression when it happens....and having him related to byakuya house....well then i would die from overpleasure. that being said im assuming isshin is former 10th squad. highly doubtful he's zero guard...

2010-06-15, 13:46	Link #803
ViLe124 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Isshin is awesome, can't wait to see his backstory revealed. He's certainly a quite confusing character.. I wonder what kubo is planning.

2010-06-20, 04:25	Link #807
dustinh Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	I think it's possible that isshin might have been a substitute shinigami like Ichigo. It looks like a captains coat wrapped around his arm but It could not be his. Perhaps, it's ichigos mothers. I think that his mother was possibly a member of the royal guard. Who is the only known member of the royal guard? Hikifune Kirio former 12 division captain. Not much is known about her so it would be something to consider. His mother could have given isshin his powers the same way rukia gave ichigo his. As a punishment for this, she had her powers sealed and possibly so was isshins. If you remember right, it is against the law in SS to give another shinigami powers. Aizen even mentioned that meeting rukia was not a coincidence, perhaps he wanted the same thing to happen to ichigo as his father.

2010-06-25, 00:12	Link #811
catalyss Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	ok so my theory is that isshin is either the king him self or a direct blood relation to the king. my reason are the fact no one really knows what he is, the fact that he felt he can fight azien with out releasing his zanpaktou, and the head butt of doom he did to his own son. the reason i think he might be the king is because no one in recent memory (or something like that) has ever seen the king for all we know hes hiding in the real world cuzz if he wasn't you think azein could have done what he did with out zero squad stepping in or the king stepping in. and i don't think he is in royal guard because the only thing we now is the promote from to goete 13 yama would at least now of isshin (but like it been pointed out that yama hasn't seen isshin). and my theory bout the RG is that they get the hollow transformation as the power boost they need (look at what the vizard and ichigo can do). with that said my theory get even more silly i think ichigo mom was of the RG and isshin fell for her and went in to hiding to have a family away from the ss and that's why ichigo power is so huge. seeing his dad being royal and his mom being from the RG. and the sister there power haven't fully awaken like ichigo power has and there power may take a different form ie healing and what not. that just the one theory i have had the most time to flush out with that said feel free to correct my spelling and any factual errors. cheers

2010-06-25, 17:02	Link #812
Curlyfry Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Wouldn't doubt it.He is hella strong.But I found out that his zanpakuto's name is Engetsu and apparently(or at least this is what the bleach wiki says)it means scathing moon.

2010-06-26, 13:34	Link #813
kamyu Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009	Spoiler for crazy manga theory: "because you are a human and a..." future/past shinigami!! isshin was blasted through time by the magic space train that aizen destroyed. thats why no one recognizes him. thats also why isshin knows so much about how the time crap in there works even though he is as dumb as ichigo. the time travel process messed up his body so he had to spend 20 years recovering in an urahara gigai. __________________

2010-07-12, 20:47	Link #814
Tool of Society Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	Masaki was a quincy...

2010-07-19, 00:21	Link #816
ShinAkuma135 King of Beasts Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Inside my head	so what we know is that isshin is a shinigami...and ichigo is @$%@#@#$??....and as partly told by aizen he's part shinigami and part ???....im thinking his mother might've been someone from hell. maybe isshin and ishida's dad had a mission to hell once upon a time and isshin managed to bring her back....im not saying she was an inhabitant, but maybe on a council/gotei 13/squad of hell or whatever it has. he's not regular vizard since he was born like that...and he's not standard shinigami either. i just really want to see hell.....manga arc wise...not literally....

2010-07-20, 10:05	Link #819
Langus Optimus Prime Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Japan/Canada Age: 39	I'm pretty sure it was covered in the early chapters of the manga/anime that when souls are sent to Soul Society they have no memory or very little memory of their human life. It's why they live in families they've created for themselves. Watch the episode with Chad and the bird. The kid does a good job of explaining it all. Given that, if Ichigo's mom IS in SS she likely has no idea who Ichigo or Isshin are. __________________ (This magnificent sig. is courtesy of the talented Kuroda )

2010-07-20, 13:40	Link #820
dragonmeister Terror of the Seas Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Cambridge, UK	I thought it wasn't that Ichigo was born as a vizard, but that he took so long to find Zangetsu that he'd almost become a hollow when he finally became a shinigami (although that would suggest that Ichigo was closer to an arrancar)