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Code Geass is to a degree about mystery, but the overall story is about the struggles of people to change the world. That is what Code Geass is about. Much like LotR. Quote:
Code Geass is nothing like Lost in any way, shape, or form. Could we stop trying to make comparisons to things that are not the same? This about as silly as saying this is like Orwell's 1984. I actually think they will reveal everything about C.C., especially if it falls as a C.C. centric episode. At which point, the remaining secrets of Geass don't even have to come from her. They could come from Charles, V.V., or some random Geass user. So... Kallen still comes in later in terms of interaction with Lelouch. Quote:
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2008-07-16, 13:07 | Link #1322 |
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No matter what it is called, Geass plays a very important role, and C.C. is the key to that. If we knew everything about C.C. already the whole show would be spoiled, apparently, that's probably why she hasn't had much to do yet. They are saving her for the grande finale. At least that's what I think; it would make sense.
And in this "grande finale" as I like to call it, Kallen doesn't necessarily have a (big) part. After all, what does she have to do with Geass? I imagine something like this: There is a big war going on and Kallen is fighting, doing her best(dramatically of course, ANIME-.-), while Lelouch and C.C. are somewhere in that...uh.. place wherever V.V. and the emporer are. I think the main characters are Lelouch, C.C., Suzaku/Kallen and maybe Emporer/Nunally/V.V.. And I don't mean who has the most screen time. No, I mean who is really important. Lelouch is the main character(duh), C.C. the witch/Geass giver that pretty much started the whole thing and is one of the shows mysteries, Suzaku is the counter part of Lelouch and they have an interesting relationship(friendship+hate), Kallen is the "ace" Knight, the Emporer and V.V. the "bad guys" and Nunally the reason why Lelouch is doing this. In any way, Kallen may have had more "quantity", but C.C. has more "quality".
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It is illogical to say that they are saving her for the end when this next episode is about Geass. Charles said it himself, this was the time for atonement, which means that the truth will be revealed. One cannot atone without truth. Take in the fact that, also, this next episode is likely C.C. centric, I cannot see how they can be saving her for a finale when they are about to shell her out next episode. Quote:
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I chuckled. Kallen has had more of an impact on the whole pairing debate in ten episodes than C.C. had in an entire season. I think you've switched the words, Kallen has had all that much quantity, she's simply made the best of the time she gets around Lelouch. Her screen time with Lelouch, baring Episode 7, has been the same as C.C. with Lelouch for Season 2. Let's not get started on how much time C.C. spent with Lelouch in S1. |
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2008-07-16, 13:40 | Link #1325 | |
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I am not suggesting that C.C isn't important, but rather that it does not help her chances in the end if her involvement begins and ends with geass and has cut back from meaningful interaction with Lelouch. Of the three female characters, C.C Shirley and Kallen, C.C is the one with the least character development with Lelouch during the pivitol moments of his character in R2. Also if the only major part that C.C is getting is in this "Grande" finale then it would lack the proper buildup. Saving her for the end is fine for the mysteries that surround her character, although it does get annoying when we are over three quarters into the series and essentially we know little more about her and the contract then we did at the start of season one though that is going to change next episode and I digress, but it still a poor excuse to ignore the development between Lelouch and the other two girls while C.C has been stagnating with little importance to add because the geass plot has not come up yet. And assuming that she does get romantic development during the next episode as well, we still have Kallen's resolution lingering about that has yet been addressed. With C.C's past possibly being addressed next episode that may well be her part in the geass plot aside from the contract before we get into the Emperor's and V.V's god killing. Edit: whoops sorry for butting in Var |
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In any case you got my point - mysteries can exist in any genre. Lord of the rings didn't belong to the mystery category, while Code Geass always did. If it was like you told, we would have known everything geass related from the start. It's not like Lord of the Rings where we knew everything from the start, except how it would play out. Quote:
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Even if C.C.'s past is addressed in the next episode her wish still remains. She is not going anywhere. |
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And I'm sorry, but if we're going to be throwing around lines of supposed 'love', I might as well throw out the fact that Lelouch compared Kallen to Nunally in terms of precious things, but I'll address this later as it falls into another point. Quote:
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And you've got your facts wrong, Ep.11 when he takes China, Lelouch curses Suzaku for taking Nunally and Kallen, and even lists her as a precious thing. This is what I was speaking of at the beginning of all this. Also, tell me, how often does Lelouch speak of Nunally? He loves her more than anyone and yet she is only mentioned when he starts to plan for her. The same is applicable for Kallen. Lelouch has never been shown to worry about things that are not within his power. (Completely ignoring that part of his reason for going to Japan was to find Kallen.) I didn't even have to mention the differed promise that you're so hung up on as being 'applicable to all his friends', as there was further material shown... hence proving your point wrong. Her wish could be solved at the end of Ep.15, you have no proof otherwise. Everything from here on is subjectivity and as such is not something I will even bother discussing. |
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2008-07-16, 18:15 | Link #1330 | |
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However I do believe he has feelings for C.C.. He probably just doesn't know it(come on, we're talking about Lelouch here, that daft boy). If she were captured I think he would at least spare a thought about her-.-. I mean, she is always there talking to him, helping him; she is the only one who truly knows everything about him, he would notice her absense(remember that scene where he had all these dates and he asked himself:" Where is C.C. now when I need her help?!" or something like that^^). Kallen doesn't know him like that.
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2008-07-16, 18:45 | Link #1333 | |
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Lelouch mentioned one of his reasons for going back to Area 11 was to look for Kallen. And how often to we see Lelouch drop his Zero persona in front of others like when Kallen was taken prisoner? How is that not caring? Lelouch is just not one to drown himself in thoughts of things that are beyond his reach for the moment. You going to argue that Nunally is not important to him because he hasn't been thinking about her all the time as well? He also grouped Kallen in with the "precious things" that Suzaku has taken from him, like Nunally, how is that not caring? Kallen may not know everything about Lelouch but just knowledge does not build a relationship. Who was the one that was able to pull Lelouch from the deeper part of his depression and who was the one hefting his Zero mask talking to someone else about not caring as long as Lelouch is alive. Loving someone means loving not just his life, Lelouch was about to lose his mind and C.C did not care enough to go talk to him. Kallen understood enough about him to know that he would possibly need someone to talk to after Nunally's speech, where he might go and concerned enough to go after him. |
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Then Shirley is also like Nunally because he was pretty devastated after her death. They are all like Nunally now, everyone is important to him since ep 7. He even tells Shirley he doesn't want to lose anyone anymore. That would explain why he didn't want Kallen captured. Quote:
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I think her wish is too important to be solved in one episode. She wants to help Zero achieve his goals, only then will she talk of her wish. |
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... So? Complementing someone doesn't necessarily have romantic connotations.
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2008-07-17, 09:19 | Link #1338 |
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And just because he said a line that implies he thinks she is beautiful does not prove they are more then partners. If you are going to use the fact that Lelouch said something he normally would not have to try to link his feelings romantically with C.C then kindly do the same for Kallen as well. He dropped his Zero persona in front of other people inorder to say all that to Kallen when she was captured, since when has he ever dropped his Zero persona in front of the Black Knights and over the radio?
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2008-07-17, 09:22 | Link #1339 |
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Hey! Putting it that way makes it difficult to refute without sounding like an aggressive musclehead. With that being said.... Don't "F" with Kallen, or Ill come over and knock your "Chicklets" out your mouth
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