2007-10-31, 12:58 | Link #121 | |
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I don't know if this has already been speculated, but maybe Isshin's friendship w/ Ryuken is the reason he left SS. At one time, the shinigami made it their business to exterminate the Quincy. Even though the war eventually ceased, they still remained enemies somewhat. Maybe Ryuken did something that put him at odds with SS and they decided he had to be dealt with. But Ryuken, obviously being a very powerful Quincy would need a powerful shinigami to take him down. Probably someone at least captain level. Maybe Isshin was the one sent to deal with Ryuken, but couldn't go through with it, whether it was the disgust of aiding in genocide or some other circumstance. If Soul Society found out Isshin had spared a Quincy or worse, he had befriended one they'd find him guilty of treason and Isshin would have to escape and go into exile. Isshin treats Ichigo that way because he's the oldest and he's a boy (we couldn't have Ichigo growing up to be a man without knowing how to take some licks right?). He doesn't care for him less than his other children. Last edited by Sabaku Kyu; 2007-10-31 at 13:11. |
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2007-10-31, 15:28 | Link #123 | |
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I think someone else said that Ryuken's sister could be Ichigo's mom, but that would mean Ishida is Ichigo's cousin O_o....that would be something wouldn't it? |
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2007-10-31, 16:17 | Link #124 |
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Since the former 10th squad captain and troops on it is not been discussed on SS
i believed that Isshin and Vaizards is the one that role that squad.... before hitsugaya... Why would isshin cover his white robe at his left shoulder? he turned down the captain's responsibility like Urahara that we didnt see he wear the shinigami uniform... at episode 111 when Isshin been exposed and ichigo and the vaizard noticed his presence why would the Vaizard said, " so , its already been started" i think he know that Isshin got his shinigami power back. i have so much speculations that they were the former 10th squad |
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2007-10-31, 19:47 | Link #126 | |
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2007-10-31, 20:00 | Link #127 |
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Eh I'll toss another theory in i only know anime stuff but I'll spoiler wrap it just in case.lol (I know i should read the manga, but i don't want to re-live claymore so waitin till the anime concludes or at least gets a bit furthur before i get into the manga)
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I don't know if thats what you meant. If you could clarify I would be greatful.
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2007-11-02, 14:09 | Link #129 |
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Hi Guys. I m new here. Created an account so that I can join in the discussion cos I am so interest in Isshin like u guys too!
Anyway, amazing theories u guys have! ANd some pretty outrageous ones. My take is this: Isshin is a royal guard of the SS King. And the 'other' dimension that old man Yama said where the king resides is none other than Karahura Town. And that is why Aizen needs to absorbs all the souls from Karahura Town . Not bcos he needs ot to find or make the key, but the town IS the key. Aborbing all the souls unlocks the other dimension. Now, Isshin is the royal guard. That's why he is in Karahura town. He is guarding/ hiding the place from intruders. Keeping the King concealed. He is the last line of defence before Aizen reach the SS King. In fact, I believe there are two guards. Bcos normally they are in pairs rmb? Like one on each side of the entrance of a door / buidling etc. The other guard is none other than Ishida's dad. Urruyu. If you accept the fact the Isshin in a gigai can engage in child reproduction, why else cant be possible? Urruyu might be in a gigai too. He might be in SS too. That's why Isshin and Urruyu know each other. It looked like they had a history tgt. Heck the Quncy tradition! Ok, maybe a bit far fetch. BUt I still believe in the 2 royal guards theory. The other guard might be Urahara or Yourichi.. i dunno.. Isshin is extremely strong bcos he is in a different league compared to the SS shinigamis. Regarding the love issue, i guess their mum is just a normal human. And Isshin married her as a cover while he conceals his true identity as a guard undercover. Isshin conceals his own huge reiastu by getting the nonregenerative gegai from Urahara. Both to conceal himself and protect his family. It just happens that Ichigo and Isshin are so emotionally attached to her.. Why all that secrecy? I believe somehow Isshin, Yorichi & Urahara knew of Aizen's plan long before anyone else. Urarhara in an atttempt to create a non detectable gegai for Isshin, was discovered and banished. They were all wary of Aizen (or Aizen's master). And knowing Urahara, as an inventor, he will inevitably have an recovery pill or something for Isshin to get his power back. And this is what happend when Isshin took back his power in anticipation of the upcoming battles. And lastly..as for Aizen, I believe he is the pawn. The ultimate mastermind is ----- Old Man Yama. Aizen, in pursue of greater powers beyond his limits, tries to kill the SS king. Does Aizen become king? No. The same way Aizen let loose the betrayals in his ranks to kill themselves, Old man yama watches as Aizen opens the door of opportunity for HIM. HE is the one that wants to kill the king. Thats a abit off topic but it links... LOL |
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Once you've already become a shinigami it is impossible to use that method. And if someone attempted to do it that way odds are that they'd either become a hollow or a shinigami. Chances of becoming both are incredibly slim.
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2007-11-06, 00:35 | Link #133 |
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I think every soul has a + and - side to it (ying & yang) Vizards can use both, shinigami use one side. Hollows the other. I wonder if KT will ever let us know how the vizard came to be?
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Any further than that, it's speculation until Kubo lets more light on the subject. Would be an interesting side track for him to do sometime soon though. |
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2007-11-06, 18:15 | Link #138 |
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Well, I meant their particular story or stories. I would like to see the circumstances and plus from what isshin said it sounded like they went looking for their inner hollow, with ichigo it kind of was trying to take over. I don't think it happened the same way to them. Its all speculation any way.
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2007-11-10, 03:06 | Link #139 | |
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I think Isshin has a great connection to a noble house and was exiled, by choice. I won't discredit his striking similarities to the Shiba clan, but the unmistakable quote by Byakuya about "my senior," or however you wish to interpret that, leads me to believe that Isshin has some close connection to the Kuchiki clan and/or had a leading position over Byakuya. |
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2007-11-14, 09:12 | Link #140 |
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I didn't read the whole thread yet, but i've come to think that maybe Kaien, was his son - when he died from that hollow, Isshin was so pissed, that he wen't to the real world in his gigai (or, like Ichigo, he had already his real body on earth, who knows...). His wife was already dead, but as far as in bleach universum there is reincarnation, he found her once again, married her etc. They had three wonderfull childs, Isshin knew that they might have shinigami powers, but he didn't want them to end like Kaien, so he promised to never ever use his shinigami powers again. Thats why he ignored Hollow presence (i mean teh Grand Fisher~). The rest of the story we do know...
Sorry for my english, but i hope everyone understood Last edited by Palladni; 2007-11-14 at 12:43. |
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