2008-03-25, 11:57 | Link #22561 | |
Mistress of Impatience
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: In a place of extremes. From below freezing to above boiling.
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'Cause if that's the case you just handed me a big problem concerning my character Will tackle backlog later. I'm in the end of my lunch hour and have to run...
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2008-03-25, 12:45 | Link #22562 | |
does whatever he wants.
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Atop a hill of words.
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Anyway, this current Enforcer whatever doesn't seem to have hurt my idea of them as the secret polizei anyway... ---------------------------------------------------- - Chapter 00 is ALMOST down. - OC...1.7/3 The spirit is willing, the flesh is weak...gotta sleep now. Damn. |
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@Thread: To those who are actively reading my Riot Force 6, BELKARANGERS ARE HERE TO STAY!!! XD
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2008-03-25, 16:28 | Link #22564 | |
Nuclear Fusion
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sky of stone, floor of flame.
Age: 37
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Heh, Fuyu gets handed a big problem, but I get a big solution for mine. :3 Also, I got a real quick question. What does a "synthetic" mage rank mean, as opposed to a normal one?
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2008-03-25, 16:36 | Link #22565 |
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I believe it's given to Rein because she's not, well, human. Synthetic rank, as the name says, is given to those artificially created beings that are able to use magic. I'd assume Familiars and Unison Devices fall into this category. They probably gave them a separate ranking as they either rely on another to influence their magic potential (like Familiars) or are static (Unison Devices) unlike humans who can strive to grow and increase their magic potential, and thus rank.
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2008-03-25, 16:42 | Link #22566 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Basiclly if she sees them coming she just evades and if she doesn’t see them coming a pittance of close quarters spells is unlikely to save her from the ambush. Quote:
(Put a guy that's been doing Jujitsu for 6 months into the ring with Royce Gracie and see how that goes maybe he last 30 seconds instead of 10...) Learning a martial art is hard it takes allot of time and effort and having huge magic potential is only minimally helpful in this as weapons fighting is about skill, experience, and finesse more then brute power. Her huge magical potential could easily be plowed into learning new defensive powers like movement aids, trips, etc but that same huge magic potential is of little use in learning to fight at close range with a weapon. This is a important factor to consider Hayate has other things to be doing and could be forced to enter battle at any time so even if learning melee was “best” (debatable IMO) in theory in practice it might not be. As noted Hayate has huge magical power she can spam massive spells for longer then pretty much anyone and she could easily plow that ability into becoming an extremely hard target to even vaguely pin down. Or she could try and learn melee fighting a difficult skill that requires huge outlays of time and that will for quite a while provide very mediocre returns and probably never get her to a level she can even vaguely fight melee specialists. All the while this intense training distracts her from practicing the above skills that could probably be learned and used quicker in actual combat. Perhaps Hayate shouldn’t have focused so hard on nuking, but now that she HAS trying to reverse a decade of momentum isn’t going to happen overnight if it’s even really possible. Instead of trying to fight against the tide and teach her an entirely new and alien skill set time would be better used teaching her new skills that are more in her area of expertise (spell casting) to cover most of her weakness, provide her new options, and be available more quickly. Quote:
Jokes aside basiclly melee fighting with weapons isn’t something you can half ass if you’re not fighting to attack and kill the enemy you really shouldn’t be doing it. It’s also often a game of mutual suicide as the fact is that two skill fighters can often kill each other despite said skill due to the close range, the lethality of the weapons, and the difficulty in blocking and parrying inherent in real world situations. The saying and its variations are so old it’s almost cliché, but it’s still true. ”If you’re going to get in a knife fight expect to get cut.” The fact is that if you fight at close range with edge weapons even if you “win” you can expect to sustain injuries often fairly serious or even fatal. This is just an accepted fact even among experts never mind amateurs. This is why I want to avoid this all together given the skill level she could reasonably achieve even if she somehow “won” she’d probably end up injured and forced to withdraw to get medical aid. All of this is why I’ve never favored melee or close range combat all that much it exposes you, almost always results in trading damage with the enemy, and since distance basically equals time everything happens faster and can go wrong much faster with little time to adapt. Range and speed can and normally do trump power and resilience. Even more so in the often idealized venue of air combat. I'd also mention as an aside that sword cross is a terrible weapon to try and fight with anyway; it's probably only marignally better then a club. If she was serious about this she needs to ditch it for a specalist weapon. Quote:
That I could see Hayate doing, but that's not "melee" IMO that's defensive magic and given you're take about "blocks" and "openings" and using her staff as a weapon that dosen't seem to be what you where thinking of either. Quote:
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I never really bought this was the only or even main reason for the fued as it's so damn weak, Budget battles, jeaouly over the presitage the navy and Air Force got from high profile operations, and often being pushed around somewhat by these perhaps more senior services have always been what I felt were the true reasons behind the fued with the mage issue being merely one aspect of it. Quote:
[quote=arkhangelsk;1484596]Yes and no. A difference here is reaction time and initiative.[quote] Nonsense reaction time is a massive factor in both but on the hole humans all tend to be similar in it so it balances out, initiative is important too but speed is what allows you GAIN initiative to start with so this hardly an effective counter argument. Quote:
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That said when diffrecnes due exist they must to be considered. You might be able to hire a mentally ill or retarded person to work the counter at a fast food place, but he couldn't be the manager for instacne. Maybe you could work as a assitent in a laboratoy, but you'll never run it if you don't have a degree. At the same time no on in there right mind would hire a guy with a BA in bussiness and 10 years experience and have him wait tables! Quote:
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Disallowing almost assuredly unqualified mages from taking positions that should by all sane reasoning take decades of experience in a set pipeline to gain is hardly getting rid of the best and brightest. It's probably mostly keeping out career orientated glory hounds with a tenuous knowledge of the job. You can also flip all this nonsense on it's head with the simple question of what is this ludicrously preferential treatment of high level mages telling the NORMAL troops (that still make up the vast majority of the force)? Work hard, stay on the straight and narrow, and someday you can be passed over a position you richly deserve so we can place a powerful novice in your place? Quote:
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Give them a high rank if you want, but don’t use them for shit that a normal human could easily do just as well. (Like commanding or crewing a warship) Given that S ranks are at least somewhat rare having one sitting around on the bridge of a warship during huge world threatening crisis due to regulations hardly seems like an effective use of resources… Maybe based solely on Nanoha and A's you could have defended it based on lack of info and just assumed that Lindy wasn’t that special, but given what we know now it makes no damn sense. Anyway to avoid a bunch of quotes about the Enforcer issue my thoughts are as follows. First off these guy aren’t really doing things you normally associate with just a 2IC or something Fate was running around chasing criminals and appeared mainly to be doing high profile investigative work; often alone. This makes little sense if an “enforcer” is just some kind of glorified second in command. Translation goof or not IMO the show itself still supports Fate belonging to some sort of group that’s at least somewhat outside the normal TSAB military Triad. Further still if that’s the case, and it is IMO, then these guys are still going to have to be organized and controlled which implies a controlling agency and thus a culture of some sort. Besides as I recall some sort of “Intelligence Branch” is canon and they aren’t seen on the Triad at all. In any case too many people in WAY to many fics and characters have referenced “Enforcers” to retcon it IMO (never mind that the “real” translation sucks). While I myself might incorporate some of this “new” information I’m not going to bust my ass to adhere to a tiny aspect of canon bureaucracy in a story that’s already non-canon and mildly AU. Like Humbug for me Enforcers are “solo” operators, but only in the same sense as there be only being one “Sheriff” in a county. An Enforcer is appointed and is the only one to hold that title in a group, but he can have a staff (possibly a rather large one) that aids him. (Fate only seemed to have one glorified secretary, but Fate was also freakishly strong most probably have at least a small team to aid them). As Humbug said they do allot of stuff, but since there ability to cut red tape and deploy quickly is most important in combat and law enforcement tasks most of them tend to be focused on that. Another note/question I always got the impression that individual planets ground forces where pretty independent of each other so Regis was in charge of Mid’s GF, obviously a prestigious position, but not every GF in the TSAB. That is correct yes? |
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2008-03-25, 16:45 | Link #22567 | |
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Backyard of Moriya shrine
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Though her current state is rather ing. Not to mention mindboggling. Hooray for Mayura. :3 Quote:
Everyone's growing well, at least we know we're gonna have a mission scenario next. Rue has turned out completely different from my expectations, but no matter. At least we won't be confusing Sophia and Rue. :3 And SUPAA SENTAI TAMASHII debut FTW. Quote:
And that timeline is where the Tentacle joke supposed to reside!!! Uuuh... How now... *thinks hard* Quote:
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...and that is black. Still need to get the backstory correct, but it'll be a technologically backward race that uses steampunk and magic in the traditional sense and not the Nanohaverse magiengineering we see. Quote:
And I hope your not too attached to many of your OCs and Erio, Caro and Lutecia... Kagerou and I have... [Plans]...
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2008-03-25, 20:58 | Link #22569 | |
The Dang-meister
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And yes, the Belkarangers have come, and they are here to stay :3
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2008-03-25, 21:03 | Link #22570 |
Truth Martyr
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork.
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On the subject of patrols:
I would like to point out that the Royal Malaysian Navy, a brown-water navy consisting almost entirely of patrol boats, fast-attack gunboats and missile boats, 2 British-designed-and-built modern frigates, and 6 UNARMED patrol boats (the first of which costs AS MUCH AS A FULL-SPEC FLIGHT IIA ARLEIGH-BURKE Aegis guided missile destroyer) maintains SEVERAL WEEK PATROLS. All our ships can be back at their homeports in a few hours, but they all spend several weeks a month on patrol. Brown water navy. TSAB is the intergalactic equivalent of a Blue Water Navy. Regarding the Enforcers: I don't buy the whole XO part. Yes, Chrono was essentially Lindy's XO on the Athra - but consider the uniform and such. IT's like, say, a Navy officer who's specialty/MOS is engineering but who is the XO. As for ships, in all cases ship captains are expected to work their way up through the surface warfare community. The only cross-MOS assignments to ship captain are carrier captains in the US Navy, who by law and navy regulations, MUST be former naval aviators (pilots), as the carrier's function is deployment of the air wing. Even then, carrier captains will go through a long cram school before getting their command, and they'll still have an experienced XO to assist and guide them. Someone also mentioned the Enforcers running around like judges in western movies - I was thinking more like US Marshalls or Texas Rangers. Also, ark, you must have missed the footnotes: the bulk of the Erusia invasion force were GF, not Enforcers. Joint GF/Enforcer/Gardai units did exist during the war, with GF providing magical muscle, Enforcers teaching & enhancing investigation skills, and the Gardai being cannon fodder - aka teh MITTs in Iraq.
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2008-03-25, 22:38 | Link #22571 |
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Okay this is like Xbox HUGE (Ended up at 15,800 words) and though I've read it over a few times, I still might be missing stuff so feel free to point out anything that seems weird. I'm pretty happy with it overall though I think the fight scene might be a tad dry, but I wasn't getting much mojo going for it and basiclly just had to force it out to finish the piece so yeah I won't take any offense if you find it lacking.
I haven't used this in a while but I think it's called for... Anyway without Further adieu my latest fic! Which still has no name... We've been over this I suck at names lets move on... Spoiler for SIZE:
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2008-03-26, 00:20 | Link #22575 |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Gaf's Room
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Yup, big, fat, long and greasy makes for good reading. Felix and Vita had me smiling and laughing throughout with their antics. Good choice of select scenes to show their relationship. Wondering how this will go, smells big enough for a small story on the side. Call of Duty is seconded, might as well name it after something you like.
Got couple questions after reading but mostly for interest's sake so I'll leave it until the subject is brought up in the future, if ever. For confirmation's sake, was the chase scene on Mid itself or some other planet? Didn't quite get it in the story, with the reference that it happened at a 'backwater' area.
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco
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Asides from completing the Belkaranger's profiles and another new OC, nothing on my side. You should probably join us in the OuterCadia IRC channel, link on the first page. Everyone misses you Quote:
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2008-03-26, 00:50 | Link #22577 |
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Location: In the XV-8A Spartan "00"
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WHat's this? 3 votes for Call of Duty?
And... ... Liingo ordered this second strike... <.< *drops the bomb and runs like Hell* STARS-01 Genderbent of Nanoha White Devil Never Looked This Cool. Spoiler for Captain Nanoha Takamachi:
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2008-03-26, 00:54 | Link #22578 |
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Regarding the "shitsumukan「しつむかん」" thing. There is evidence that, even though the term "Executive Officer" is used in english, it doesn't mean 2IC like we think it does.
In StrikerS ep14, when Hayate asks Tiana if she would like to go to HQ with her, she says Chrono is an Admiral with shitsumukan qualifications. Why would that be of any significance if the term merely meant being a 2IC? Therefore, the term has to mean more than just being the second-in-command of a vessel. Even if the shitsumukan in question happens to be the No. 2 of the ship at the time. |
2008-03-26, 01:05 | Link #22580 | |
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Acquired the view via the StardustMemory serious!trailer done by the nano author. And @Jimmy C: I don't know how it led to people thinking it as the common notion of XO in today's maritime world. How it reads (in Mandarin as well) shaped how I see it, and that has no way in terms of relation to that XO thing too. I presume that far back, in the days of when the first three series were running, the person who actually coined the term probably had a far more literal interpretation of 'Executive' IMHO, i.e. in the word 'Executory'. @Kagerou: You win for that scenario. |
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