Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[Ultragunner]

Originally Posted by bones

All the experiment did was give him the ability to use flash cast if I remember correctly. The experiment was deemed a failure as the objective was to make him be able to use magic normally. He did not need the experiment to become overpowered or to have a better future. The only reason for the experiment was the Yotsuba's inflexible thinking and traditions.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Tatsuya gained the ability to use normal magic but in a much cheap prossessing ability, much inferior to the norm.

Its not just the Yotsuba tradition but most of the TMC; dont forget Tatsuya is a direct descendant to the Yotsuba and the eldest son. They dont want to publicize him as a Yotsuba because they deemed him as a failure, but cant withstand the fact that the eldest son and a direct descendant can only use 2 type of magic. If you think like that you can understand that what Yotsuba did was to give Tatsuya a chance to redeem as the next head for the Yotsuba family but failed so, they gave the position to Miyuki because Yotsuba created a monster or rather a god that can only be controled by Miyiki

THESE!!

Well, in any case, the Yotsuba brought it all by themselves:

_ Forcing the marriage between Tatsurou and Miya because they desired his large tank of Psion count.

_ Then they got the eldest son who is an OP irregular yet refuse to except him

_ Performing the experiment in order for him to "fit" their ideology. The experiment failed (well, not a complete failure but still not anywhere near successful in their eyes).

_ Not only that, Tatsuya has become even more of an irregular (minimum to no emotion, enhanced Flash Cast ...etc...), and if not for Miyuki, he wouldn't give a sh*t about them (in exchange, he doesn't feel angry or resentful against what they had done to him).

Well, as many have said countless times before: "Karma is a b!tch !!!"

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by pampz21

That wasnt Honoka; it was Shizuku whos she was talking to.

My mistake. I meant Shizuku. Honoka was the one Tatsuya was talking to.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by bones

All the experiment did was give him the ability to use flash cast if I remember correctly. The experiment was deemed a failure as the objective was to make him be able to use magic normally. He did not need the experiment to become overpowered or to have a better future. The only reason for the experiment was the Yotsuba's inflexible thinking and traditions.

Not JUST flash cast. Like you said, if not for the experiment, he would not be able to cast ANY regular magics, just variations of decomposition, regrowth, and possibly elemental sight.

[pampz21]

Lol I almost died while rereading the beach ch I forgot to breathe then started coughing like hell; its where Erika wants to atone for her ackward moment.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Lol I almost died while rereading the beach ch I forgot to breathe then started coughing like hell; its where Erika wants to atone for her ackward moment.

Tatsuya should have this expression:

Spoiler:

The sand was white and the sun dazzling.

But the beach was even more dazzling than that.

"Tatsuya-kun~, wanna swim?~"

"Onii-sama~, the water's cool and very nice.~"

As Erika and Miyuki called out from the beach, Tatsuya, under the shade of a parasol positioned into the beach, shook his hands with a vague smile.


—Too dazzling.



What was dazzling, by the way, were the swimsuit clad girls frolicking around on the beach.

The first to catch one's eyes would probably be Erika's flashy colored one-piece. It was a simple design with no frills which brought out and enhanced her slender proportions.

Next to her, waving her hands was Miyuki in a floral-print one-piece. Her femininity increased with each passing day, and the bold pattern served to emphasize her vibrant fairy-like charm.

The surprise was Mizuki. While her polka-dot patterned separate swimsuit wasn't as revealing as a bikini, the deep cut at the chest area showed off her ample assets, and it was impossible to link her to her usual docile image. Perhaps because of her narrow shoulders and hips, the slender curve of her waist resulted in a particular attractiveness.

Likewise in a separate swimsuit, Honoka had a pareo wrapped around one shoulder giving off an asymmetric style of mature air. If not simply considering size, but curves, this was probably the best proportioned one out of them all.

On the other hand, Shizuku was in a girlish swimsuit laden with frills. Even so, however, she continued to wear her grown-up detached expression, the two combining to create a perverted mysterious charm.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

Tatsuya should have this expression:

Spoiler:

The sand was white and the sun dazzling.

But the beach was even more dazzling than that.

"Tatsuya-kun~, wanna swim?~"

"Onii-sama~, the water's cool and very nice.~"

As Erika and Miyuki called out from the beach, Tatsuya, under the shade of a parasol positioned into the beach, shook his hands with a vague smile.


—Too dazzling.



What was dazzling, by the way, were the swimsuit clad girls frolicking around on the beach.

The first to catch one's eyes would probably be Erika's flashy colored one-piece. It was a simple design with no frills which brought out and enhanced her slender proportions.

Next to her, waving her hands was Miyuki in a floral-print one-piece. Her femininity increased with each passing day, and the bold pattern served to emphasize her vibrant fairy-like charm.

The surprise was Mizuki. While her polka-dot patterned separate swimsuit wasn't as revealing as a bikini, the deep cut at the chest area showed off her ample assets, and it was impossible to link her to her usual docile image. Perhaps because of her narrow shoulders and hips, the slender curve of her waist resulted in a particular attractiveness.

Likewise in a separate swimsuit, Honoka had a pareo wrapped around one shoulder giving off an asymmetric style of mature air. If not simply considering size, but curves, this was probably the best proportioned one out of them all.

On the other hand, Shizuku was in a girlish swimsuit laden with frills. Even so, however, she continued to wear her grown-up detached expression, the two combining to create a perverted mysterious charm.

Lol man; really those two are really dazzling~★

Icantwaitforittobeanimated

Really Erika knows how to read the mood but she still get sulky when it involves Tatsuya and another girl except for Miyuki#!
I say its mutual understanding between the two; it happend at the airport to when she stopped Honoka from interfering with Lina & Miyuki/Tatsuya?

Btw im probably reading too much to it but; Tatsuya's attitude to Honoka and Shizuku are pretty different to his attitude towards his own friends; its like their still a wall beside them;

PS: lol at Tatsuya's comment to Miki and Leo's swimming race' he thinks they developed intimacy with each other

[millie10468]

I don't understand this thing with Erika. Don't get me wrong, I like Erika and I'm not saying it's a bad ship. It's just that... I don't see it? *No Killing, Please* I've even gone back and reread the whole novel with the eyes of a TatsxErika shipper... but it's still not clear at all. Just my opinion,but whatever's there is even lesser than TatsXHonoka, and there's a whole lot of nothing there from Tat's side, imho. So I'm a bit confused. What exactly is powering that ship? I mean, unless I'm just blind, isn't the author going LeoxErika? All of a sudden it seems like TatsxErika is canon, or is it just a harem thing of pairing the mc with all possible options?

[nosaer]

Originally Posted by millie10468

I don't understand this thing with Erika. Don't get me wrong, I like Erika and I'm not saying it's a bad ship. It's just that... I don't see it? *No Killing, Please* I've even gone back and reread the whole novel with the eyes of a TatsxErika shipper... but I still don't see it. Just my opinion,but whatever's there is even lesser than TatsXHonoka, and there's a whole lot of nothing there from Tat's side, imho. So I'm a bit confused. What exactly is powering that ship? I mean, unless I'm just blind, isn't the author going LeoxErika? All of a sudden it seems like TatsxErika is canon, or is it just a harem thing of pairing the mc with all possible options?

There's a whole lot of nothing from Tats side towards everyone but Miyuki. If you're not seeing the Tats x Erika possibilities then its probably just because you have your mind closed to it. most ship pairings come from how fans think a pair would work, but there is evidence that suggests Erica has feelings for tats. you just have to look past the seemingly obvious leo pairing.

[millie10468]

Originally Posted by nosaer

There's a whole lot of nothing from Tats side towards everyone but Miyuki. If you're not seeing the Tats x Erika possibilities then its probably just because you have your mind closed to it. most ship pairings come from how fans think a pair would work, but there is evidence that suggests Erica has feelings for tats. you just have to look past the seemingly obvious leo pairing.

So it wasn't that I was missing something? B'cos it felt like people were seeing obvious things that I couldn't

[Ultraviolet X]

Originally Posted by millie10468

I don't understand this thing with Erika. Don't get me wrong, I like Erika and I'm not saying it's a bad ship. It's just that... I don't see it? *No Killing, Please* I've even gone back and reread the whole novel with the eyes of a TatsxErika shipper... but it's still not clear at all. Just my opinion,but whatever's there is even lesser than TatsXHonoka, and there's a whole lot of nothing there from Tat's side, imho. So I'm a bit confused. What exactly is powering that ship? I mean, unless I'm just blind, isn't the author going LeoxErika? All of a sudden it seems like TatsxErika is canon, or is it just a harem thing of pairing the mc with all possible options?

Its just the Erika fans trying to make something out of nothing, its been quite clear, from tats side, that he doesnt harbour any of those feelings for Erika or anyone else, the most is for Miyuki he cares for her as a sister, nothing more (its just that the only "strong" emotions he can feel is for Miyuki, making it abit intense). Its been fairly obvious that the author is trying to pair Erika up with Leo, we will likely see them get together or at least made more obvios sometime within the second year. Likewise, its also been hinted that Erika cares more for leo then tats, and even if thats wrong, tats will reject her like he did honoka should Erika confess.

[Ultragunner]

Originally Posted by millie10468

I don't understand this thing with Erika. Don't get me wrong, I like Erika and I'm not saying it's a bad ship. It's just that... I don't see it? *No Killing, Please* I've even gone back and reread the whole novel with the eyes of a TatsxErika shipper... but it's still not clear at all. Just my opinion,but whatever's there is even lesser than TatsXHonoka, and there's a whole lot of nothing there from Tat's side, imho. So I'm a bit confused. What exactly is powering that ship? I mean, unless I'm just blind, isn't the author going LeoxErika? All of a sudden it seems like TatsxErika is canon, or is it just a harem thing of pairing the mc with all possible options?

I know how ya feel , oh well, let them enjoy the shipping before the, you know almighty you-know-who claims her rightful place beside Tatsuya

[TonyC1994]

I just want to confirm something regarding with Tatsuya's powers.

So he's not regarded as a true Magician because he can't alter Eidos? However he can restore, decompose and actually see the Eidos, is that right?

[BW95]

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

I just want to confirm something regarding with Tatsuya's powers.

So he's not regarded as a true Magician because he can't alter Eidos? However he can restore, decompose and actually see the Eidos, is that right?

Pretty good for the first time. Yes. Everything you said is correct.

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by BW95

Pretty good for the fist time. Yes. Everything you said is correct.

Alright thanks. This is my second time rereading through, the first time I just kind of skimmed past most of the magic terminology and started to regret it.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by millie10468

I don't understand this thing with Erika. Don't get me wrong, I like Erika and I'm not saying it's a bad ship. It's just that... I don't see it? *No Killing, Please* I've even gone back and reread the whole novel with the eyes of a TatsxErika shipper... but it's still not clear at all. Just my opinion,but whatever's there is even lesser than TatsXHonoka, and there's a whole lot of nothing there from Tat's side, imho. So I'm a bit confused. What exactly is powering that ship? I mean, unless I'm just blind, isn't the author going LeoxErika? All of a sudden it seems like TatsxErika is canon, or is it just a harem thing of pairing the mc with all possible options?

Tatsuya X Erika is canon (refer to vol. 10)
Erika doesnt show passion for Tatsuya in earlier vol. thats why Honaka has more scene with Tatsuya; as far as I know there are two types of love: Love @ first sight=Honoka; and long term development(oblivious @ first) this category applies to both Miyuki and Erika. If you dont look closely you'll miss hidden signs by the author.

Originally Posted by nosaer

There's a whole lot of nothing from Tats side towards everyone but Miyuki. If you're not seeing the Tats x Erika possibilities then its probably just because you have your mind closed to it. most ship pairings come from how fans think a pair would work, but there is evidence that suggests Erica has feelings for tats. you just have to look past the seemingly obvious leo pairing.

ErikaXLeo in truth is pretty obvious to the public because of their constant proximate with ea other, Tatsuya even stated that they are "a perfect pair" but vol.1,3,4,7,10 clearly shows that Erika only sees Leo as a friend and that according to Miyuki/Mizuki, Erika hold a different value for Tatsuya that they proclaimed as love; Tatsuya & Erika are birds with the same feather kind of thing both Personality & Background after all.

Originally Posted by Ultraviolet X

Its just the Erika fans trying to make something out of nothing, its been quite clear, from tats side, that he doesnt harbour any of those feelings for Erika or anyone else, the most is for Miyuki he cares for her as a sister, nothing more (its just that the only "strong" emotions he can feel is for Miyuki, making it abit intense). Its been fairly obvious that the author is trying to pair Erika up with Leo, we will likely see them get together or at least made more obvios sometime within the second year. Likewise, its also been hinted that Erika cares more for leo then tats, and even if thats wrong, tats will reject her like he did honoka should Erika confess.

Thats why its wierd; Tatsuya was experimented at an early age of 6...but it wouldnt be wierd that a 6 yrs old doesnt have much emotion; and living in a family like Yotsuba, you would never develop emotions due to your life being controled like a puppet.

"At that time, I guess, I lost all of what you could call feelings of love. They weren't sealed, so they can't be released. They weren't broken, so they can't be fixed. That which is lost, cannot be recovered."

But he didnt state that it cant be learned??
Tatsuya now knows how to regret and feel guilty?#! those are strong emotion if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

I know how ya feel , oh well, let them enjoy the shipping before the, you know almighty you-know-who claims her rightful place beside Tatsuya

Yeah let me enjoy the peace and tranquility!

[Javani]

Originally Posted by millie10468

I don't understand this thing with Erika. Don't get me wrong, I like Erika and I'm not saying it's a bad ship. It's just that... I don't see it? *No Killing, Please* I've even gone back and reread the whole novel with the eyes of a TatsxErika shipper... but it's still not clear at all. Just my opinion,but whatever's there is even lesser than TatsXHonoka, and there's a whole lot of nothing there from Tat's side, imho. So I'm a bit confused. What exactly is powering that ship? I mean, unless I'm just blind, isn't the author going LeoxErika? All of a sudden it seems like TatsxErika is canon, or is it just a harem thing of pairing the mc with all possible options?

No you are not blind, ErikaXTatsuya is nonexistent

[Hiyono]

Originally Posted by pampz21

canon

I do not think it means what you think it means.

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by Javani

No you are not blind, ErikaXTatsuya is nonexistent

Hell, TatsuyaXAnyone is just about nonexistent due to his circumstances, so I don't really understand why people are trying to find evidence of his pairings at all.

Instead, it would be more interesting to find out who has feelings for him.
Miyuki
Honoka
Erika
Mayumi
Angelina
Shizuku(?)

Not to mention a majority of the female Nine School competitors' are pretty grateful towards him...

Such a boss.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

Hell, TatsuyaXAnyone is just about nonexistent due to his circumstances, so I don't really understand why people are trying to find evidence of his pairings at all.

Instead, it would be more interesting to find out who has feelings for him.
Miyuki
Honoka
Erika
Mayumi
Angelina
Shizuku(?)

Not to mention a majority of the female Nine School competitors' are pretty grateful towards him...

Such a boss.

I agree with everything you said.

[Flere821]

Erika's the girl that gets shipped with a lot of characters in Hahouka, IMHO

-We have the obvious choice of Leo, considering how those two interact as foils to each other. In many cases Tatsuya make fun of this pairing as well, such as when those two went training during the Vampire arc.

-Mikihiko, the childhood friend, who knows Erika quite well. He also often play support for Erika when things get tough (again, Vampire Arc when those two team up at first). Mikihiko cares about Erika as well, considering he asked Tatsuya to keep an eye out for the Rozen family in case they try to go after her during the Double 7 arc.

-Finally, there's Tatsuya himself. Like-minded individuals in what they perceive Magicians to be and how to act as one. Also plenty of scenes together (eg 1st arc with him showing her around the school). Though IMO Tatsuya's out of Erika's league