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2009-11-24, 02:27 | Link #9284 | |
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It's also a complete moral myopia as he's screwing other countries for his own narrow ambitions. Lelouch at least had a better world in mind in his methods.
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2009-12-06, 07:59 | Link #9285 |
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Suzaku is like any other teenager with a strong body. He is still young, and unlike Lelouch, cannot see far ahead in the future, or be a good strategist. However, his loss, and ambivalent personalty, put him there for the right cause. His heart is in the right place, and he wanted to change Britannia from within. For an average person like Suzaku it is only reasonable to follow orders, and pretend that he can actually do something for the corruption of Britannia. Other than that, he is exceptional, and could have shined better in the Black Knights, rather than kissing royal ass for such a long time.
If I were royalty and Suzaku were my soldier, I would have given him lots of promotion for being loyal, and saving my ass, when I needed. He did that with Cornelia, and only Euphemia respected him. The rest of the royalty should have treated him better, because he was a valuable asset, with Lloyd's brilliant engineering. |
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2009-12-09, 20:52 | Link #9289 |
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Warrant Officer is the highest NCO rank in the army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_military_ranks. CO's (2nd Lt. - 5 Star General/Field marshal) all have to be college educated + they have to take additional Military specific classes such as leadership, tactics, strategy etc etc. This makes Suzaku's promotion to Major even more laughable. I mean, the guy is a) in HIGH SCHOOL LOL b) terribad at tactics and strategy. Nobody in their right mind would follow Suzaku's orders. I mean, look at those poor guys he led to their dooms in a simple mopping up operation vs the black knights in R2...
A guy like Lelouch who is a genius I can see getting a direct commision to Colonel or even General, although I think this point is irrelevant since simply being a Prince gives him General-level command if not more...
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2009-12-10, 00:15 | Link #9290 |
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It's not like he was promoted due to his strategic genius. He was promoted because he was the only one that could operate Lancelot, and they couldn't have a newbie private using a one of a kind one man army machine, it would look bad in the paperwork. It was just for show.
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Susaku was promoted to major?! Wow! That means he went from private skipped corporal and all the various sergant ranks to get to warrant officer but not CWO, THEN skipped 2 LT. and captain ranks?! And was Knighted by Corneilla. Hell I thought once you were a Knight that was that unless you somehow got nobility status.
On a personal note I thought Susaku got the short end of the stick although he tried to do it(rebel)the right way he was always #2 yet he always got in Lelouch's way,so he 'coulda been a contender' when actually he was! I hope if there is a new series he gets to finally shine! |
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As to the rank thing alot of other posters were asking about the various ranks he might have skipped so I thought I'd just fill in the blanks that's all. |
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2010-01-31, 00:58 | Link #9294 | |
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They probably just use the British system, where officers were mainly noblemen. If we check out most of the prominent commanders in Europe before the 1900s most of them, held some sort of nobility. You have dukes, counts, earls, princes, kings and even Emperors . Some famous ones are Arthur Wellesley, Napoleon, and Frederick the Great. These guys were duke, emperor and king respectively lol. That didn't mean that they didn't have military ranks. The same probably goes for people in CG. Cornelia before becoming Governor General of Area 11 was most likely a Field Marshal, but honestly if you are say 2nd prince of the empire, would you want to use a title like Field Marshal or General or 2nd Prince?
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Lelouch "making trouble" is the only reason Suzaku got anywhere. His success is solely mooched off of Lelouch, and in the absence of that he was nothing but cannon fodder. So no, it would never have worked, because he never had a chance of getting anywhere. Bismarck pretty much spells it out in Turn 20. No one trusted Suzaku, because he's a backstabber. Quote:
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That's an interesting take on how Suzaku 'rose up the chain' so to speak. Haven't watched CG in a while(been busy buying the DVD's so I can marathon it some weekend). I'll definetly have to re-watch it, thanks.
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Quite right, Revolutionist.
Nobles in Code Geass are usually privileged with a higher ranking command (If they hold a family title, and have pure blood that adheres to that, though exceptions are probable.) Commoners probably never see past Sergeant. Only the esteemed members of Britannian society get what 'they deserve'. The Ashfords were 'disgraced', so they probably would start lower, if not on the level of a commoner. ...That is laughable, considering it's obvious 3 out of 5 of their Knightmare pilots are target practice. Spinzaku is a over-dramatic soldier boy who thought "Gee, if I die. I'll be forgiven! Okkkayyy! Let's see if I can't find a KMF without an ejection system..." That was a joke.... Sort've, it's quite true. Anyways... Spinzaku cheated his way to the top, in my opinion. It should be done through effort and discipline, not being a willing lamb to merge victorious. Bismarck was indeed right about Spinzaku, but he also charges onto a mobile platform and stabs people, too. Lelouch would probably be a Marshal at best, since physical capabilities are a criteria (Unsure?...) |
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This post actually seems slightly pointless out-of-context but yes, as noted in the Kallen thread: cross-posted here. Also noted there though that guh, I don't really feel like thinking for a while so maybe I'll regret this (lol). See you guys later.
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Remember, Suzaku's goal is not 'get Britannia to stop conquering countries'. It's 'get Britannia to treat conquered countries well'; countries being conquered is not a detriment under this assumption. Furthermore, speaking on Suzaku's contributions to Britannia 'enslaving' other countries in the style of Japan in general: unlike Japan, which was an independant nation, wherever it was Suzaku was fighting in Turn 4 (it was either Germany or Italy I think, but I can't remember) and more than likely anywhere else he took the field at was a part of one of the world's superpowers (the E.U. in this case). This is because, after gaining military dominance around the time of the invasion of Japan, Britannia had already had around 8 years to conquer any of the weaker individual nations left around which it was interested in. However, considering all the military/technological advancements Britannia had been acquiring recently, it was probably in an expansionary period, even beginning to gain ground directly against its rival superpowers. What this means is two things: first, given Britannia's much increased military potential, and given that it's recent gains are in areas much closer to the heart of it's rival superpowers, Britannia has much less incentive to consolidate/reform those areas than to convert them into staging grounds for further excursions or to use them as bargaining chips for direct negotiations. Second: given the influx of new technology, Britannia gained more room for growth/improvement so that less of its production capacity would be directed at satellite 'colonies' in the first place (I think you can see this in the state of Japan at the start of R2 for example--it is clearly not recovered from the Black Rebellion, and the general situation itself does not seem permanent or even sustainable). All this means that for me, the idea that Suzaku's contributions to Britannia's war effort would lead to anything remotely similar to new 'Area 11's is quite unlikely. So let me get back to the point: as I see it, Suzaku had no reason whatsoever to feel guilty over crushing those armies, so I don't see why he'd feel the need to 'dress up' anything in the first place; and indeed, the fact that he offered them a chance to surrender at all does seem to me to have been honourable. |
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this was also on the kallen thread, but i figure would be better answered here
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that might have been the case in season 1 in season 2, its "help britannia conquer more countries, to earn the rank of KoO, so that HE could govern japan HIMSELF" he's past changing britannia at that stage he wants to be the one IN-CHARGE of how japan is being ran so that he can effect IT and ONLY IT and the EU in code geass is like the EU in OUR world where the countries are independent, but allied together through trade and military alliance to combat a greater threat so yes, britannia conquering its countries is EXACTLY the same as conquering japan
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