2013-02-19, 16:22 | Link #141 | |
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it's like saying that chouji becoming a giant is more chouji being chouji than him being an akamichi. but a yamanaka wouldn't be able to turn into a giant no matter what. every clan has its stellar members. so far in the senju/uchiha debate my point is that the uchiha have had many stellar members with many stellar abilities whereas the senju have just had hashirama as far as we know. yes, tobirama and tsunade are kage level, but i've pointed out how the stellar uchiha are beyond that level |
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2013-02-19, 18:04 | Link #143 | |
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Hashirama happens to be the most powerful ninja of his era with apparently no equal among the current generation of ninja. As far as we know however the Senju has no advanced bloodline ability and the Uchiha have the reputation of producing a large number of exceptional ninja. So the way the story is being told it does appear as though the Uchiha are more talented but it's never been officially stated as such. Itachi is portrayed as being a prodigy among a clan who is already known for producing elite ninja.
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2013-02-19, 18:08 | Link #144 | |
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2013-02-19, 18:23 | Link #145 | ||
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i think even you have lost sight of your own points if there ever were any. where do you think itachi gets that keen sight and chakra sensing ability from? could it be... the sharingan?
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2013-02-19, 20:01 | Link #147 | |
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1. Very few ever awoken the MS. In fact Itachi himself believed only Madara before him awakened the MS when he spared Sasuke's life during the Uchiha massacre. Obviously Itachi didn't know of Obito at the time and its obvious Madara's brother was thrown in there as an after thought. 2. Not every Uchiha awaken's the Sharingan. But every Senju we've seen so far seems to have amazing vitality. What's left to worry about against the Uchiha? Oh right Genjutsu... Chiyo already gave a sound strategy for that.. never fight a sharingan user alone. Hunter already addressed Izanagi, so not gonna go over that again. You tend to focus on the active/flashy feats rather than the passive/ subtle ones. Consider that it was only the Uzumaki clan (Senju) who were able to become hosts and contain the Kyuubi (before he was even stripped of 1/2 his chakra). Consider that Naruto's mother actually survived the Kyuubi being separated from her (something that normally kills the host instantly). After saying all that.. I actually agree with you, but I'm able to dismiss it as bad writing nothing more. Kish gave the Uchihas amazing illusionary powers yet he has to go out of his way to find excuses for these powers not to be used when it makes perfect sense to use them. Example? Madara could have created many clones of himself, tsukuyomi-ed the entire alliance and had a peaceful 10-tails summoning..but he didn't why? Its boring story-telling. Don't look for 100% rationality in a kid's manga.. you're not going to find it.
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you said izanagi wasnt widespread or often used.
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2013-02-20, 03:02 | Link #151 | |
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I'm not ignoring anything. It was his Shuriken technique that took care of Nagato's all-round vision. |
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2013-02-20, 06:23 | Link #157 |
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Yes and not only your quote doesn't say that either but you ignored the content of 90% of my previous post, the difference is quite easy to see with your own previous post and this one for example where you chose to ridiculously over quote each and every sentence with one liners that doesn't even manage to address the points I was making.
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Each time you use Sasuke and Itachi or the MS you fail your own argument, those aren't the norm, they don't represent the usual effectiveness of their clan. It's like saying that since Tobirama nearly made Orochimaru soil himself after he moved a finger is indicative of the power of all Senju. It is not. This isn't semantic, it is the very basis of our entire argument, if you shift your gear to focus the elite members of both clans then Tobirama alone appears to be better than 99.999999% of all Uchiha who have ever lived. Quote:
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2013-02-20, 11:18 | Link #159 |
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^no matter how you want to re-present my arguments, the fact of the matter is that there were many elite uchiha with elite sharingan abilities over the course of history vs just the 1 senju of hashirama with mokuton and his lifeforce
i never said that ALL uchiha do these things (i'm actually getting tired of saying the exact opposite...). average uchiha fought on par with average senju I'm sure. this manga is not about average ninjas if you haven't noticed. they are just fodder and filler. the elite uchiha could have taken out all the elite senju (minus hashirama) from what we know of their skills the elite uchiha should have had no problem keeping a kage level tobirama in check. unless we hear otherwise and tobirama can do more than these amazing elemental ninjutsus and stamina you seem to think match the sharingan's elite abilities |
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