2012-08-08, 11:31 | Link #29961 | |
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For her to be familiar with previous episodes in any capacity and not find Kanon and Shannon worth even investigating is unbelievable to an extreme.
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2012-08-08, 13:55 | Link #29962 |
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Maybe although not very likely it was just Ryukishi's way to steer the reader away from them. If not even Erika notices them maybe they really just that important but I find that hard to believe. Also about the Lion isn't really what Yasu looks like thing. Where was this started? Is it official or just a fan-theory because I really don't know.
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2012-08-08, 16:05 | Link #29963 | |
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a) according to her 'a servant can't be the culprit'. It's not in Knox, it's in Van Dine but she decided to apply it anyway. Ergo she ruled out the servants as culprits and, possibly, as accomplices as well, and therefore she didn't bother with checking them. Kanon's body disappeared? It's surely no magic and it's likely just a trick like the one of the letter being delivered by no one... but as Lambda isn't demanding her to solve it in the trial... really, who cares? b) When Erika joined the game Bern didn't order her to find the culprit but to pin an Ushiromiya as culprit. We know a piece can't dispbey its master. Ergo Erika would have to discharge all the evidence pointing to someone else in favour of pinning an Ushiromiya as culprit. But... what about Ep 6? Do your pick: - she didn't like rewriting her theories (which is true) so she unconsciously refused to consider that the servants for some reason could be culprits/involved. - she was so focused on the quiz at hand she didn't bother think back at the previous episodes to see if they contained clues to solve it - it's a plothole - Battler, who suggested the small bomb theory, managed to turn into the mastermind behind Ep 6 by sucking Erika's intelligence. The poor Erika doesn't know but the longer she stay around Battler the more she's going to become dumb and soon she'll resort to small bombs theories to explain how Battler escaped from his room. |
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2012-08-08, 17:57 | Link #29966 | |
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After all Ep 5 bladantly ignored how Kinzo is supposed to be dead. Bern knows but accept a solution that's wrong anyway and support it. Plus they didn't care anymore about the riddle of the letter. I'll say Bern wanted Erika to force a solution on the other episodes as well, not to really solve them. With this premise it's possible that Erika never really tried to solve them but just to make a certain theory fit on them. |
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2012-08-08, 18:34 | Link #29967 |
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Well, I do remember that Lambdadelta did not allow Knox to use Kinzo is dead at the start of every game, even though Knox already had that red. It seems to me that neither of them really cared for the "truth" because even Lambdadelta acknowledged Erika's accusation as correct until Battler used the Gold.
Neither of them really wanted to play, they just wanted to throw pieces at each other...
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2012-08-08, 19:14 | Link #29968 | |
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"I'll solve the other gameboards using the 'Natsuhi Culprit Theory'".
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2012-08-08, 21:21 | Link #29970 | ||
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After all, can you really be sure she's really dead just because her stomach is open and filled with candies if you ignore the red that says she's dead? (okay, she should be dead anyway if she were to be in such state but I'm sure Erika won't let such a tiny detail stop her... she'll probably say she faked being dead...) |
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2012-08-08, 22:50 | Link #29971 |
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^Remember that Lambda blocked Dlanor's truth about Kinzo's study (That the windows were shut and had not been opened since before the rain, I believe it was).
And she gave Erika tons of freebie reds, which made it impossible for Beato to defend Natsuhi. So she is not impartial. |
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Eh, I always think of Yasu as just "Shannon", anyway. Quote:
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2012-08-09, 09:06 | Link #29973 | |
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She doesn't even have to posit Shkanon as a solution to this, she just has to address the obvious importance of Shannon and/or Kanon to each episode's narrative. She can't simply dismiss the whole Kanon thing as "Rosa did it and was just throwing suspicions on Kanon!" without explaining what happened to him and how he appeared to return from the dead. Even if she denies any of it happened and was all lies to make the servants suspects, it would have drawn Erika's attention to those servants and the fact that they are clearly up to something. Something she's obligated to explain if the game is even remotely fair and the story even remotely reasonable.
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2012-08-09, 09:24 | Link #29974 | |
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Even when she was trying to pin Natsuhi in Kinzo's study she never said anything about the servants trying to support her in her lies. She knows Kinzo is already dead and therefore the servants are accomplices in at least keeping alive the illusion he's still living but... she doesn't care at all. The one she wants to pin is Natsuhi. The servants could as well not exist. |
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2012-08-09, 11:23 | Link #29976 | |
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2012-08-09, 13:58 | Link #29977 | |
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2012-08-09, 17:02 | Link #29978 | |
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2012-08-09, 18:12 | Link #29979 | ||
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Basically the witch side isn't defended anymore or even represented. Erika can say what she wants and who'll come to stop her? Quote:
So far though the best Yasu portray the manga offered is in EP 8 chap 3. ... which honestly looked more like Shannon than Lion... Last edited by jjblue1; 2012-10-16 at 07:05. |
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2012-08-09, 18:15 | Link #29980 | |
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Erika doesn't even seem to care about those either, she buldozes whatever riddle is existing by creating her own plots. If she really cared about those she'd play by the rules and she'd try to solve those rather than make up a new sultion entirely by either framing the wrong person or by becoming the culprit herself.
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