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Kyuu · 2012-03-12, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbZeroNow

And just who would be Lando?

Spoiler:

Flower · 2012-03-12, 20:45

Ok - just finished ep 10. EXCELLENT.

I really, really enjoyed it. A lot.

8.5/10 vote from me.

This show just gets better and better for me.

00Coyote · 2012-03-12, 22:02

Ignoring the whole zero-g skirt physics part, the discussion of fanservice, the lack of, or whether it is is or isn't 'old skool' made me realize something...

Marika is 100% fanservice for me.

How she looks, how she is voiced, and how she acts and is written, it hits all the right buttons. The character design, the coloring, just the right amount of innocent cute and beauty, yet with a strong enough personality and presence to command attention when required. Most importantly, that incredible awesome spiky hair.

Aesthetics aside, Marika's biggest Coyote-service point by far has be her ability to be decisive, make logical decisions, and have the willpower to see those decisions through. I can't describe how refreshing this is. Anime in general, (well over-generalized) seems to go out of its way to have characters be either 1: indecisive or 2: make pants on head stupid decisions at any opportunity. #1 and #2 are fine every now and then, but not all the friggin time. (Unless its Milky Holmes, then #2 is Modus operandi, and I'm ok with that.)

Marika's Coyote-service brings to mind a manga series that I absolutely adore. "Maoyuu Maou Yuusha" specifically this one. If you haven't read it, do so, it's one of the rare stories that doesn't insult your intelligence reading.

Don't get me wrong, Marika has a long way to go, in several areas, before she can compete with The Demon Queen. The characters themselves aren't all that similar, but where I see the see similarities is how they are portrayed.

In their area of expertise, (Marika: Tactics DQ: Absolute command of knowledge, science, economics and Useless Meat) they are very strong, they are both backed by a powerful ally (Marika: Bentenmaru DQ: Hero and Co., mainly Hero who is just BROKEN) and the Author uses the area of expertise to move the story forward in a logical, enjoyable way.

Marika makes correct decisions? Oh noes, there was no wailing and emo that she screwed up, that she isn't measuring up to her mother, where's the angst! where's the drama?! No one died! Where's the CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT? Screw that, I've seen that before, very recently, so many times. Show me a good space opera with spaceships chasing ghost ships with technobabble, and tactical though not seen since ... well since a long while ago.

This is the approach I associate with 'old school' storytelling. Light on the emo, fulfilling on the characters, strong on the story, heavy on the entertainment.

Spoiler for Off on an overgeneralized tangent:

In summary: Marika's hair is awesome.

Shimapan · 2012-03-13, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ithekro

if Marika was Solo....

Well....would Chiaki be Lando? She did look like she was having fun playing a con on that Cruise Liner. Or Mimi. She her seems cheerful, but might be a scoundrel with the dirt she's digging on people. Mimi seems more the gambler, con man type than Chiaki. But Chiaki is the pirate.

I'm voting Chiaki for Lando!
Jenny: Luke (ok, so there would be a female Luke, so what?

)
Gruier: Leia
Kane McDougal: Obi-wan Kenobi
Schnitzer: C3-PO (he would't fit too well as R2-D2 XD)
Hyakamune: Chewie (best fit looks-wise

)

Endless Soul · 2012-03-13, 00:26

~Chiaki meets Gruier~

Chiaki: "Hello, what have we here?" ~takes Gruier's hand~
Gruier: "Gruier"
Chiaki: "You look absolutely beautiful. You truly belong here with us among the stars."
Gruier: "Thank you."
~Marika steps in and takes Gruiers' hand away from Chiaki, and leads Gruier away~
Marika to Chiaki: "Ok, ok, you old smoothie!"

~The three of them turn towards the docking entrance, leaving the Bentenmaru on the landing platform~

Endless "It could happen" Soul

Ithekro · 2012-03-13, 01:28

If the Japanese fan artists were as Star Wars minded, it would happen.

justpassingby · 2012-03-13, 03:46

Spoiler for Eeeeehhh!?:

For BD Vol 3, the addendum will be pamphlet "「海賊入門」 "Introduction to Pirates" and will be compiled by Fujitsu (Who? Fujitsu Ryota may be :P) [Source]. I think Matsumoto Noriyuki will provide the illustrations

spawnofthejudge · 2012-03-13, 07:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimapan

I'm voting Chiaki for Lando!
Jenny: Luke (ok, so there would be a female Luke, so what?

)
Gruier: Leia
Kane McDougal: Obi-wan Kenobi
Schnitzer: C3-PO (he would't fit too well as R2-D2 XD)
Hyakamune: Chewie (best fit looks-wise

)

Schnitzer is waaaaaay too competant for that role.

MeisterBabylon · 2012-03-13, 09:30

This star wars comparison hurts my head as bad as SWTOR does...

Marika = Kirk, Chiaki = Spock, Grueir = McCoy. You know that's the truth.

Random Wanderer · 2012-03-13, 09:47

None of those comparisons fit. Stop trying to pigeonhole my girls into your narrow western concepts of science fiction.

MeisterBabylon · 2012-03-13, 10:08

Actually, I agree with you too. Marika is herself! Blaster Ririka she is not! She is Marika, the Space Pirate Captain!!

*SPIN ON!!*

Kyuu · 2012-03-13, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

This star wars comparison hurts my head as bad as SWTOR does...

Marika = Kirk, Chiaki = Spock, Grueir = McCoy. You know that's the truth.

What have you done?!

===

(I can't remember their names right now)

Hacker Glasses girl = Chekov
The one with the eye-patch = Uhura

===

And to go further:

Jenny = Picard
Lynn = Riker

klare · 2012-03-13, 11:01

Chiaki is totally enjoying it

so they admit their captain is actually underage...

in the preview, princess vs princess?

Ithekro · 2012-03-13, 14:04

Being Privateers and without a war on, I suppose they need to follow labor laws and the like...to keep being legal "pirates".

AbZeroNow · 2012-03-13, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ithekro

If the Japanese fan artists were as Star Wars minded, it would happen.

Somehow, it seems more likely that we'd see fanart of them playing Mahjogg(and being totally awesome at it) and being caught in the rain. I sort of wonder if Chiaki is the sort to try for + or _ 0 every time. (Yes, I finally saw the first episode of Saki).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuu

What have you done?!

===

(I can't remember their names right now)

Hacker Glasses girl = Chekov
The one with the eye-patch = Uhura

===

And to go further:

Jenny = Picard
Lynn = Riker

Coorie is the Hacker with Glasses and Luca is the eye-patched Navigation officer.

Jenny is not Captain "Earl Grey Hot" Jean-Luc Picard. She's Benjamin Sisko, the only Starfleet Captain to ever have punched Q. Although if Jenny were Picard, then Lynn would have to be someone like Vash, Lwaxana Troi or Beverly Crusher.

Lynn would probably be Miles O'Brien.
And Schnitzer would be Worf(OK this is way too fun

).

MeisterBabylon · 2012-03-13, 18:14

Schnitzer gets Worfed--

*is QUINT-CANNON BLASTED*

gaiar31 · 2012-03-13, 22:06

Spoiler:

MeisterBabylon · 2012-03-13, 22:12

JABBERWOCKY. Interesting naming choice for a destroyer class.

And is the battleship called Tailbot-class? Or am I spelling it wrong?

Ithekro · 2012-03-13, 22:56

I'm guessing Talbot.

Though there starship classification system seems off. All three Imperial ship types are listed as Battleships. (well I can't actually read the Jabberwocky's classification, but she is bigger than the other two ships).

The Talbot being just a little bigger than a Corback. Though the Talbot look to have three to four times the guns of a Corback. The Jabberwocky would look to have twice that even, but it is hard to tell (and it might have only smaller guns, but lots of them). It could even be a carrier for all we know.

I don't think they would hold up under the fire of the Wave Motion Gun.

The three known (active) pirate ships are seem rather similar in appearance. Bentenmaru, Barbarossa, and Lighting 11 are have the same general line, engine style, and other such things. I wonder if the Lightning 11 was a Privateer as well.

The Yacht Club's ship, the Oddette II, is of a very different design style. It is supposely older than the other surviving pirate ships. Wonder what she was before the war. She seems to have a rotating section for low gravity, but is otherwise a zero-G ship. Looks like a liner, but doesn't have enough windows for tourists (those might have been plated over for the war). Judging by the radar and EW package, she seems like a Command Ship. That or she was heavily armed in her day. But then she's a solar sailer that has engines as well....but she doesn't seem FTL capable (or maybe she is?) So many questions in the starships department.

Shimapan · 2012-03-13, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuu

What have you done?!

===

(I can't remember their names right now)

Hacker Glasses girl = Chekov
The one with the eye-patch = Uhura

===

And to go further:

Jenny = Picard
Lynn = Riker

Let's do Voyager next

Marika: Janeway
Chiaki: Tuvok
Jenny: Chakotay
Glasses hacker girl: B'Elanna (hmm... not quite sure about this)
Mami: Seven of Nine

2012-03-12, 20:45	Link #1422
Flower Blooming on the mountain Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deep in their roots, all flowers keep the light....	Ok - just finished ep 10. EXCELLENT. I really, really enjoyed it. A lot. 8.5/10 vote from me. This show just gets better and better for me. __________________

2012-03-12, 22:02	Link #1423
00Coyote Senior Member Join Date: May 2009	Ignoring the whole zero-g skirt physics part, the discussion of fanservice, the lack of, or whether it is is or isn't 'old skool' made me realize something... Marika is 100% fanservice for me. How she looks, how she is voiced, and how she acts and is written, it hits all the right buttons. The character design, the coloring, just the right amount of innocent cute and beauty, yet with a strong enough personality and presence to command attention when required. Most importantly, that incredible awesome spiky hair. Aesthetics aside, Marika's biggest Coyote-service point by far has be her ability to be decisive, make logical decisions, and have the willpower to see those decisions through. I can't describe how refreshing this is. Anime in general, (well over-generalized) seems to go out of its way to have characters be either 1: indecisive or 2: make pants on head stupid decisions at any opportunity. #1 and #2 are fine every now and then, but not all the friggin time. (Unless its Milky Holmes, then #2 is Modus operandi, and I'm ok with that.) Marika's Coyote-service brings to mind a manga series that I absolutely adore. "Maoyuu Maou Yuusha" specifically this one. If you haven't read it, do so, it's one of the rare stories that doesn't insult your intelligence reading. Don't get me wrong, Marika has a long way to go, in several areas, before she can compete with The Demon Queen. The characters themselves aren't all that similar, but where I see the see similarities is how they are portrayed. In their area of expertise, (Marika: Tactics DQ: Absolute command of knowledge, science, economics and Useless Meat) they are very strong, they are both backed by a powerful ally (Marika: Bentenmaru DQ: Hero and Co., mainly Hero who is just BROKEN) and the Author uses the area of expertise to move the story forward in a logical, enjoyable way. Marika makes correct decisions? Oh noes, there was no wailing and emo that she screwed up, that she isn't measuring up to her mother, where's the angst! where's the drama?! No one died! Where's the CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT? Screw that, I've seen that before, very recently, so many times. Show me a good space opera with spaceships chasing ghost ships with technobabble, and tactical though not seen since ... well since a long while ago. This is the approach I associate with 'old school' storytelling. Light on the emo, fulfilling on the characters, strong on the story, heavy on the entertainment. Spoiler for Off on an overgeneralized tangent: There's a popular story format that I've become tired of. It goes something like this: Author establishes character, and their associated 'cool thing' In the name of 'character development' Author either takes away, or actively denies character from using 'cool thing'. The story becomes about the 'cool thing' and how the character either tries to regain, or cope with the loss of it. There's nothing wrong with this, it can be an interesting and valid story telling mechanic, but it is used excessively and many times as the only way to show 'deep characterization'. When this is used in conjunction with #1 and #2 from above ... oh the horror, oh the horror. The opposite of this is one element of what I've come to associate with 'old school storytelling' Author establishes character, and their associated 'cool thing' Author allows character to use cool thing. The story is about the character and how they use their 'cool thing' to do various things. Again, nothing wrong with this, but it can be used excessively too. Depending on the skill of the Author, and the attention of the audience, this method of storytelling is sometimes brushed off as 'shallow' or 'flat'. In summary: Marika's hair is awesome.

2012-03-13, 00:26	Link #1425
Endless Soul Megane girl fan Join Date: May 2011 Location: Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. Age: 55	~Chiaki meets Gruier~ Chiaki: "Hello, what have we here?" ~takes Gruier's hand~ Gruier: "Gruier" Chiaki: "You look absolutely beautiful. You truly belong here with us among the stars." Gruier: "Thank you." ~Marika steps in and takes Gruiers' hand away from Chiaki, and leads Gruier away~ Marika to Chiaki: "Ok, ok, you old smoothie!" ~The three of them turn towards the docking entrance, leaving the Bentenmaru on the landing platform~ Endless "It could happen" Soul __________________ Signature by ganbaru

2012-03-13, 01:28	Link #1426
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	If the Japanese fan artists were as Star Wars minded, it would happen. __________________

2012-03-13, 03:46	Link #1427
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	Oshiete, Misa sensei Spoiler for Eeeeehhh!?: In the audio drama, Mami said she and Marika got lost during their Junior High entrance ceremony. That is different from the novel setting Though I enjoyed them. And Misa sensei, stop lying to your students The Yume no Arika (Whereabouts of Dreams) song is so going to be used for a filler episode, I think Here hoping there will be more audio drama involving the Pirates and Yacht Club For BD Vol 3, the addendum will be pamphlet "「海賊入門」 "Introduction to Pirates" and will be compiled by Fujitsu (Who? Fujitsu Ryota may be :P) [Source]. I think Matsumoto Noriyuki will provide the illustrations __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物 Last edited by justpassingby; 2012-03-13 at 07:43.

2012-03-13, 09:30	Link #1429
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	This star wars comparison hurts my head as bad as SWTOR does... Marika = Kirk, Chiaki = Spock, Grueir = McCoy. You know that's the truth. __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2012-03-13, 09:47	Link #1430
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	None of those comparisons fit. Stop trying to pigeonhole my girls into your narrow western concepts of science fiction.

2012-03-13, 10:08	Link #1431
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	Actually, I agree with you too. Marika is herself! Blaster Ririka she is not! She is Marika, the Space Pirate Captain!! SPIN ON!! __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2012-03-13, 11:01	Link #1433
klare Senior Member Join Date: May 2009	Chiaki is totally enjoying it so they admit their captain is actually underage... in the preview, princess vs princess? __________________

2012-03-13, 14:04	Link #1434
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Being Privateers and without a war on, I suppose they need to follow labor laws and the like...to keep being legal "pirates". __________________

2012-03-13, 18:14	Link #1436
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	Schnitzer gets Worfed-- is QUINT-CANNON BLASTED __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2012-03-13, 22:06	Link #1437
gaiar31 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	Spoiler: new fanart starship

2012-03-13, 22:12	Link #1438
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	JABBERWOCKY. Interesting naming choice for a destroyer class. And is the battleship called Tailbot-class? Or am I spelling it wrong? __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2012-03-13, 22:56	Link #1439
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I'm guessing Talbot. Though there starship classification system seems off. All three Imperial ship types are listed as Battleships. (well I can't actually read the Jabberwocky's classification, but she is bigger than the other two ships). The Talbot being just a little bigger than a Corback. Though the Talbot look to have three to four times the guns of a Corback. The Jabberwocky would look to have twice that even, but it is hard to tell (and it might have only smaller guns, but lots of them). It could even be a carrier for all we know. I don't think they would hold up under the fire of the Wave Motion Gun. The three known (active) pirate ships are seem rather similar in appearance. Bentenmaru, Barbarossa, and Lighting 11 are have the same general line, engine style, and other such things. I wonder if the Lightning 11 was a Privateer as well. The Yacht Club's ship, the Oddette II, is of a very different design style. It is supposely older than the other surviving pirate ships. Wonder what she was before the war. She seems to have a rotating section for low gravity, but is otherwise a zero-G ship. Looks like a liner, but doesn't have enough windows for tourists (those might have been plated over for the war). Judging by the radar and EW package, she seems like a Command Ship. That or she was heavily armed in her day. But then she's a solar sailer that has engines as well....but she doesn't seem FTL capable (or maybe she is?) So many questions in the starships department. __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2012-03-13 at 23:15.