2008-07-09, 11:56 | Link #21 |
Your wife is hot...
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ways for shin to win in a fair fight one on one, no replacement units
a. dg cell (regeneration + enhance fighting stamina for both the machine and pilot) b. zero system (predict every moves in advance, if shin can take the mental strain of the sys) c. drugs (like stella and other psycho pliots in the other series, cheap and fast way to enhance fighting abilities) d. all of above (he is not officially psycho) e. none of above (he loses ) f. something that is not mentioned above (give me some ideas guys ) choose the most suitable answer (2 pts) |
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2008-07-10, 04:09 | Link #23 | |
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yare yare..
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Now, Kira. His days with Strike. He took out Andrew, scarred Yzak, killed Nicol, fought to death with Athrun, fought single handedly against the dog mobile suits(I can't remember their names), reprogrammed Strike when he was fighting in desert, in the sea. I'm not sure if I've forgotten any. Been 2 or 3 years since I've watched them. Let's go back to Shinn again when he's in a pinch. Shinn[Neku in disguise]: MY ARM'S BROKEN!! Minerva~! Force Silhouette! *replaces parts* Shinn[Neku in disguise]: Neh neh bu bu. Shinn[Neku in disguise]: HOLY CRAP I RAN OUT OF BATTERY! Minerva! *a beam shoots through* Shinn[Neku in disguise]: HAHA. TIME TO GO AGAIN! COME ON YOU SUCKERS! Shinn[Neku in disguise]: Hitting my cockpit now aren't ya! I can.. *split* Now, let's flashback to Kira. Kira[Neku in disguise]: *battery runs out* OMGWTF NOT AGAIN! HOLY SHIT. MY PHASESHUFTTTTT! *proceeds to fight with his two combat knives anyway* *and survives* Unfortunately, that's all I can remember about Kira. I only remember that Kira cannot recharge his battery, cannot replace parts as quickly as Impulse, has to replace parts with the help of SkyGrasper and cannot split. Quote:
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2008-07-11, 00:01 | Link #26 | |
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I like to take the opportunity to say that I may hate Kira's piloting right now. But to say that Shinn's skills in Impulse are better than Kira in Strike, I would like to disagree with them.
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In episode 34, this is what happened, mirroring the battle between Archer and Berserker in FSN. Archer actually beat Berserker 5 times, but Berserker was still Alive because he has 12 lives in stock. If it had not been for Rey's help and Kira holding himself back then (He even admitted to doing so). Had the situation been reversed ( Shinn Killing Lacus anyone?) would you even think there would be doubt as to who wins that hypothetical battle? As Pilots, Shinn can only think of what the Impulse is specified/standardized to do, Kira (in his prime) would think of things that Strike cannot do prior to standardization (i.e. Throwing beam sabers to Ba-Cue(s), Making tweaks to Strike's FCS/OS, etc.). He flat out beats Shinn simply because he thinks outside of what his superiors ( In that case, Rey) would think of. As to why Kira lost that battle during 34, it was the combination of two things 1.Luck -Shinn had the equipment that neutralizes Kira's no-kill philosophy. -Shinn had the prior advise given by Rey -Shinn's focus was solely on defeating Kira 2.Kira's deterioration as a pilot -Kira in Freedom does not think outside of Freedom's capabilities. Therefore, he cannot use the same shock he had when he piloted Strike. In Strike, he tries to push it to the limit, In Freedom, he does not.
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yare yare..
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I was stating, if Kira finally decided to kill Shinn once and for all, he would've stabbed Impulse's cockpit when Shinn rushed into him. It would be a double death. One more thing. Did you really think that Shinn's ASS could've actually stabbed through Freedom? Of course, it did. What am I saying.. I guess maybe sometimes, the beam in the ASS can expand. Quote:
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Impulse is clearly better than Strike: that's fact. My point is, it's not just better, it's improved in a lot of ways: from being able to recharge batteries immediately to replace parts as soon as the pilot shouts. Of course, Kira could replace parts too. But with higher risks and the need of the SkyGrasper. ..and your point? So what if all technology moved forward? What's the difference? If Shinn couldn't destroy 30 Windams with Impulse under SEED mode, then it's a joke, with all the luxuries Impulse has. Quote:
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2008-07-12, 00:01 | Link #28 | |
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And besides, Kira uses Freedom's speed to basically disable everyone with his beam saber. Not with insane beam-spamming. Something that I can't say for Shinn. He took down 30 Windams with Force Impulse? How many did Lunamaria take down with Force Impulse? How many did Rey take down with Blaze Zaku Phantom? Hell, how many did Lunamaria take down with her pink Gunner Zaku Warrior? In conclusion, taking down Windams is NOT HARD TO DO. Large numbers of grunts > Small number of named characters. Are you kidding me? I thought you just claimed that CE grunts are terrible. How many beams did Shinn actually dodge? The Windams were basically moving target practices. Shinn had no real threat of getting shot down by them. Besides, even if he did get shot anywhere else that is not the cockpit, he could just scream : "Meyrin, ____ Silhouette, NOW" A luxury that Kira in neither Strike nor Freedom has but has to fight against skilled pilots which have suits of equal power to him. Even in Freedom. The three druggies, anyone? When Freedom was decapitated, he could not scream "Miriallia, Chest Flyer, NOW" and fight again. In fact, in their battle, Shinn technically used TWO Impulses to beat Freedom. If he does not have the luxury of regenerating parts, he would've lost in the first few minutes of the battle as Force Impulse was already slashed to pieces. In fact, when he gets Destiny, he does not even need to dodge, he just charges forward with Destiny's ASS with little disregard to the mobile suit's health, knowing that he would not get hit. Kira, at least, seems to take care of SF and dodges beam attacks from grunts.
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2008-07-15, 07:26 | Link #29 |
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You know, after watching Final Plus again, it is awfully clear that Shinn cannot fight against DRAGOONs. He evades a couple of beams, blocks one, and suddenly, Kira pops out of nowhere and full-bursts his ass. Shield broken and something exploded apparently.
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2008-07-15, 08:03 | Link #30 | |
yare yare..
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I doubt he'll forget the way Kira aims. Plus Kira unleashed his DRAGOONs to halt the movements of his WoL and distract him. It's so easy to trap Shinn :/
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2008-07-16, 00:58 | Link #33 |
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IMO, GSD was a broken piece of work. (When the untranslated yonkoma is even better than the original series, something is very wrong.)
Having said that, Jesus Yamato doesn't need more supporters. If it's between him and Shinn, I'll pick Shinn. If it's between Shinn and Athrun, I'll pick Athrun.
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2008-07-16, 02:51 | Link #34 | |
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And heck, I hate the phrase "Jesus Yamato". It is ok when it is used sporadically, but when it appears as often as it is now it is getting really annoying. |
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2008-07-16, 02:54 | Link #35 | |
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2008-07-16, 04:01 | Link #37 |
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My mum could make a nice random civilian. She's got enough rage to fill up 10 Shinns :P
As for Athrun I won't change my mind. They've pretty much spoiled his character even more than Kira's, IMHO. I can't get over Asuka being discarded as the main protagonists, though. Replacing Shinn and Minerva back with Kira and Archangel was one of the mistakes that destroyed GSD in my eyes. But still... it was nice to see more of SEED |
2008-07-16, 05:26 | Link #38 | |
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Meh, I always disliked the Minerva, it is "supposedly" more advanced than the Archangel, but it has less weapons. Or at least it seems that way. Plus, their survivals were just outrageous. Although we can partially thank that to Kira. Maybe Fukuda decided to hold a poll and found out that everyone seems to hate Shinn and being the crowd-pleaser that he is, decided to swap him with the ever-popular Kira Yamato. Well, maybe he is overpowered, but I don't really mind that. If he gets shot a couple of times, I would be happier, but I am not really surprised that he can do all that he did. Besides, I think Fukuda and Morosawa made him uber-god to please the fans. Didn't work out so well, now, did it. Man, I hope that in the new Gundam Seed movie, Kira becomes less of a god, or at least give him a decent god enemy. Hope that will change people's opinions of him.
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2008-07-16, 07:14 | Link #39 |
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Love what? Harem does not make the man, really
As for Fukuda- the crowd pleaser.... this "crowd-pleasing" of his this time lead to the outrageous lowering of the series' quality. In fact, during mid series I found myself cheering for Shinn and Minerva. I was upset seeing how they were discarded like this. To me, it was just LAME. New series - new hero. Be consequent, Mr. F! |
2008-07-16, 19:31 | Link #40 | |
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No, but it does show his amazing girl-getting skills. Well, if he didin't please the crowd, Kira would be dead, Athrun would be a cripple and God knows what would happen to Shinn. And Dearka would probably die too. Although I think he pleases the crowd more than a regular hooker, it is not necesarrily a bad thing. I think it's impossible to replace the current cast. For better or for worse, everyone recognizes them already. Changing them would kill the profits.
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