2010-04-10, 04:34 | Link #6821 |
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If I am not wrong, they have pretty hand-wringing relationships with Russia, stemming back from the overthrow of the commies in 1989. And the missile shield a few years back was another creampie in the Kremlin's face.
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2010-04-10, 04:47 | Link #6822 |
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It's not just the President who died, apparently the entire higher Polish Armed Forces Commanders were on the plane as well
-Chief of the General Staff of the Polish Armed Forces General Gagor -Commander of Army General Buk -Commander of Navy Admiral Karweta -Commander of Air Forces General Blasik -Commander of Special Forces General Potasinski -Operational Commander of Armed Forces general Kwiatkowski -Commander of the Warsaw Military Area general Gilarski -Ryszard Kaczorowski, the last President of the Polish government-in-exile -Jerzy Szmajdziński, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm -Władysław Stasiak, Chief of the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland -Aleksander Szczygło, head of the National Security Bureau -Paweł Wypych, Secretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland -Mariusz Handzlik, Undersecretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland -Andrzej Kremer, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs -Sławomir Skrzypek, President of the National Bank of Poland 12 members of the Sejm(lower house of Polish parliament) also on board. That's alot of high ranking people to lose at once. I mean most of Polands upper echelon(civilian and military) have been lost. EDIT: wikipedia article has the full list of VIPs on board.
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2010-04-10, 06:42 | Link #6823 |
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...Jesus Christ. I'd heard that the plane with the President had gone down...but you're saying that all the top ranking civil/military leadership was there to?
This may all just be an accident, but if there was something insidious going on it's probably the most effective decapitation strikes I've ever heard of. |
2010-04-10, 07:02 | Link #6824 |
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So who's ready for the Polish Russian conflict of 2010? A decade into the new millennium, and we have another war brewing.
I have to admit, this sounds really fishy. An accident like that is not supposed to happen : those official government airlines don't make these kind of mistakes.
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2010-04-10, 07:26 | Link #6825 | |
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But yes, it was rather a good occcasion for beheading Poland and the fact than the russian could easely errase ''proof'' as the plane crached on their territory are good fuel for conspiracy theory...
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2010-04-10, 07:35 | Link #6826 | |
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Anyway why the heck are all of them flying in the same jet? And why isn't the PM onboard?
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2010-04-10, 09:33 | Link #6828 | |
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2010-04-10, 10:28 | Link #6829 | |
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If it is the FSB, I think they've pulled something incredible off. But I don't really think that it'd be in Russia's best interest to go opennly invade Russia. Unless they're in cahoots with the PM...
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2010-04-10, 10:54 | Link #6830 |
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The fall of the USSR started with East Germany and Poland if I am not wrong according to historical timelines. With the weakening of US power in the globe, I think Russia is making a snatch back before China starts asserting its political influence over the East.
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2010-04-10, 12:15 | Link #6831 |
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Well Polish politics has just taken a massive turn that's for sure. I heard that they tried to land whilst in heavy fog, what self respecting pilot would land in such bad conditions?
And another thing to note, why would so many important people travel on the same plane? It's normal practice that political and military parties travel as seperate as possible because of situations like this. Were they trying to save money or something? It's a major blunder. Even though this is most likely an accident of truely tragic proportions, lots of people will be screaming conspiracy about this. My condolences to the families of the dead. |
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Update: apparently Kaczynski ordered the pilot to land 4 times This has allready happened before few years ago, but the pilot refused and Kaczynski threatened to kick him out of the airforce. Apparently this time he had a more servile one Air force Control Tower: Land at nearby airport, current destination is hazardous due to heavy fog. Pilot: I can handle it! (Failed on his forth try...)
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2010-04-10, 17:52 | Link #6834 | |
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2010-04-10, 21:40 | Link #6836 | |
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But several things... it's a Russian-produced airliner, therefore maintenance was last performed in Russia. That's one point of intrusion. Seen through less cynical eyes, it does seem that Russia is scrambling to accommodate every need of Poland right now, since they're apparently trying to repair relations with them. |
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2010-04-11, 02:21 | Link #6837 | |
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2010-04-11, 07:45 | Link #6838 |
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Seems a bit far fetched to blame the airplane just because it's 20 years old. Air Force 1 is just as old and the average age of the Air Force is 23.5 years. A government plane is probably well maintained.
Tupolev Tu-154s get withdrawn from service because they are not very economical in use, but their safety record isn't bad, especially since on average they operate under harsher conditions then comparable type of aircraft. The news so far seems to point to pilot taking to much risk to land under poor weather conditions. |
2010-04-11, 09:23 | Link #6839 |
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My deepest condolences to the Polish people. Shame on those who try to blame Russia, we do not have any benefits for the death of the President of the Republic of Poland, whose presidential term ends soon. Russian Federation - this is not the Stalinist Soviet Union.
Polish investigators have already arrived at the crash site and are working together with Russian investigators on clarifying the causes of the disaster. April 12 in our country is declared a day of national mourning in solidarity with the Poles in our common grief.
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2010-04-11, 10:13 | Link #6840 |
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Lech Kaczynski was going to run for re-election in September for another 5 year term, but now that he has died an early election must be held within 60 days. Interestingly, the person running against Lech was Bronislaw Komorowski, who became acting-president in his capacity as Speaker of the Sejm upon Lech's death.
Lech was widely expected to lose re-election. He and his identical twin brother, who was prime minister from 2006-2007, were nicknamed "terrible twins" because their Law and Justice party was seen as too extremist. I wonder if Lech's brother Jaroslaw will now run for president to succeed his brother, and if there will be a sympathy vote for Law and Justice because of the plane crash. |
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