2007-10-28, 04:28 | Link #25 |
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You know I've been thinking, what if we have a Tallgeese showdown? Which Tallgeese would win?
"Live in the triangled circle! In the red corner, wearing white and grey, Tallgeese I! In the blue corner, wearing white and blue, Tallgeese II! In the ??? corner, wearing white and less blue, Tallgeese III!" LET'S GET IN ON! |
2007-10-28, 04:34 | Link #26 |
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I'm betting on Tallgeese II. While III is a stronger machine through and through, Treize is in T2, and would probably pull political strings and find someway to win without doing any actual fighting and having his loyalist soldiers do his dirty work. ...Then after being declared the winner, he is quickly killed by Wufei.
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2007-10-28, 11:42 | Link #27 |
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Yeah, but given how effective (at least for the Neue Ziel) is against other Mobile Suits as well as Mobile Armors, the Tallgeese III would have a pretty difficult time getting in close enough to use the weapons. And even then, only the beam saber would do any real damage and that requires to get REALLY up close and personal. The heat rod doesn't show any signs of ACTUALLY being super-heated like the Epyon's was and, of course, vulcans would do jack against them.
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2007-10-28, 21:45 | Link #28 |
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Vulcans are practically useless, since those are basically anti-personnel and anti-vehicle weaopns, so using those against the MA's would be worthless. The heat rod doesn't have to be heated to be useful, given a resourceful pilot like Zechs is at the controls. I will admit that if he is going against both Koh and Gato at the same time, the Tallgeese III doesn't stand much of a chance, but one on one, there's a shot.
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2007-10-28, 21:59 | Link #29 | |
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Now Mobile Armors are a whole different story. Much thicker and stronger armor and many more cameras placed around. Zechs may have a shot against the Dendrobium (given its limited maneuverability, limited ammunition, and all), but against the Neue Ziel, it's pretty doubtful...fast, maneuverable, half-control system, lots of weaponry, thick armor, I-Field...it's why it was so ahead of its time, even 4 years after its design and why it was able to outdo a modern design like the Dendrobium. I've seen speculation about how its design would've possibly been effective all the way through UC 0123 if the pilot is also good enough with its overall performance. As far as I've seen, no other Mobile Armor has had such advanced designing in it, much less surpassing it except for the discontinued MAN-05 Gromlin and MAN-05-2 Gromlin II, the non-existent NZ-444 Beta Azieru and perhaps the XMA-01 Rafflesia and XMA-02 Ebirhu Doga with their Bugs as well.
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2007-10-29, 18:40 | Link #31 |
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Tallgeese III is the best out of the 3 of course. I think most of you guys are severely underrating Tallgeese and Milliardo. Please address him by his real name, lols.
Remember the original Tallgeese was more than a match for the Wing Gundam. Even Heero had a hard time beating him with both the Wing Gundam and Heavyarms. The Tallgeese has speed and tons of it. Though its true, naming a ton of Gundams and their respective pilots who can defeat Tallgeese III is easy enough. What's harder to find is a pilot and suit combination that can match Tallgeese III and Milliardo. Personally, I think Char Aznable and Hyaku SHiki are a perfect match for them. Both have speed and the right amount of power. That would be a good fight. |
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A.) It has heavy armor and is NOT meant to be fast, but durable. B.) It runs out of ammo (unless you're able to use it properly). C.) Originally, it is not meant to wield any sort of close-range weaponry besides its knife simply because of A. The Wing Gundam was hardly "outmatched" by it in any way. Hell, they never even "properly" fought outside of their first encounter where Heero self-destructs it. The only thing the Tallgeese really MIGHT outdo Wing Gundam in is pure speed. Otherwise, everything else about it is outdated and inferior. (by 20 years no less). It was really Zechs' own skill that allowed him to survive so long in such a suit. (look at how he seemed to almost outdo Wing Gundam in a Leo, after all, and we know very well that the Leo is GREATLY underneath any Gundam) As for MS + Pilots that can match it, there are actually quite a few that probably could. Kamille + Zeta, Scirocco + The O, Judau + ZZ, Haman + Qubeley, Char + Hyaku Shiki (mentioned), Char + Sazabi, Kincaid (Seabook) + F91 or Crossbone Gundam, Uso + Victory or Victory 2, etc, etc to name a few. Quote:
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2007-10-30, 13:28 | Link #36 | |
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All of the pilots and suit combination you mention actually exceed TGIII and Milliardo. Aside from Casval - Hyaku Shiki and Uso - Victory. Both of those would be pretty even fights. All the other combinations you mentioned either have a ridiculously powerful newtype involved or a ridiculously powerful MS. F91, Crossbone, and Victory 2 are very technologically advanced. TGIII would be cakewalk despite its speed. Sazabi and Qubeley have bits and being piloted by Newtypes. Despite the fact that Milliardo and TGIII are ridiculously fast. It'd only be a matter of time before they get hit by several bit shots. Judau and Kamille, these guys are numero uno and numero dos in terms of Newtype Powers. They would PWN TGIII and Milliardo. But still, I've got this Gut feeling that Milliardo can beat all of them. I don't know how he'd do it, but I'm sure he'll find a way. Oh and Dan was right! Casval indeed. |
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2007-11-02, 00:34 | Link #37 |
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You guys are forgetting one thing about the dendrobium. It has: 2 large beam sabers, weapon pods containing two bazookas, large missile pods, micro missile pods, a very large beam cannon,
a demolition chain, 2 claw arms, and the gp03 itself. |
2007-11-02, 00:49 | Link #39 | |
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And given that ballistic weaponry is usually easy enough to dodge a lot of the time, they're not really too reliable either. (which is why a lot of them are more made to spam when it comes to MS combat) Look at the fact that something as huge as the Neue Ziel is able to dodge a majority of them (only getting hit once by 1 missile that was shown from the Dendrobium). The only real challenge would be the micro-missile pods that can spam all sides with them. The demolition chain, again, is mostly just battleship usage (or, as the name suggests, demolition, so can also be used for clearing large chunks of debris before, during, or after a battle.) Otherwise, useless against Mobile Suits. The 2 claw arms are really only for the large beam sabers. They hardly have the multi-purpose usage for tackling other Mobile Suits like, say, the Bigro, Val Varo, or Neue Ziel, which have much wider degrees of movement (given their placement and all). And the GP03S itself is mostly for escaping than battling other MS (its weapons being good for fending off other MS while it gets away.) The Dendrobium, as a whole, is mostly a long-haul-battle space defense unit against more large-scale assauls; not really for taking on Mobile Suits one-on-one. So a single, fast and maneuverable MS like the Tallgeese III actually wouldn't have TOO difficult a time dodging the Dendrobium's attacks. The only hinderance being its I-Field against its mega cannon (which it could get in closer to slice it with a beam saber, shoot it with its vulcans, or damage it with its heat rod when it passes by or something)
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