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Furthermore, if anything, Crow is better suited for long-ranged combat, as Dusk Taker found out when he used his wings in conjunction with the Pyro Dealer armament. After all, blunt damage usually occurs in melee. A red avatar can fight in close combat if he wants to but this is not recommended as his body type is ill-suited for it. Likewise, a yellow avatar can do the same if the situation calls for it, even though it is a completely different attack type from what he specialises in, as we saw when Radio fought with Lotus. Quote:
The first time we saw Crow come up against an avatar that could naturally counter his avatar was in his fight against Roller, who specialised in dealing blunt damage. Even Kuroyukihime, with her vast battle experience, could not come up with a plan where Crow could properly defeat Roller. As Crow did not have his wings then and no way to deal long range damage, he had to run. Crow won his subsequent duels against Roller likely because his wings meant Roller would never be able to reach him on his bike. Thus Crow would simply be able to continuously make sweeps at him and then fly to safety. The second and final time in the anime was with the sniper, which Crow countered by dodging. What's the point of bringing up these examples, you ask? Well, it is simply to note that there has been no instances that prove my point, but also no instances to disprove it. Quote:
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Furthermore, there is no actual need for Blood Leopard to be a vampiric cat. The characteristic which Pard is known for is not her vamipric abilities. It's her love for speed. Quote:
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On a side note, Radio's colour makes him seem even more threatening to other avatars. His nickname is the "Radioactive Disturber", which is where the Radio part of his name comes from, rather than an actual radio (This is why he doesn't use sonics as his main form of attack). His colour has also been described as the colour of a radiation warning sign. Last edited by Orange Duke; 2013-01-08 at 09:45. |
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That may be exactly what Sky Raker is. I doubt that an avatar which jets around on a rocket pack is built for mass and muscle power. Quote:
Likewise, it's conspicuous that Silver Crow's arms feature booster jets which consume SP, allowing him to punch (or dive-punch) even faster. Finally, given how enamoured Haruyuki was with clever victories and First Person Shooting games, and given how effectively he saw Dusk Taker use long-range weapons with his wings, and given his own difficulties with snipers... it's also conspicuous that he hasn't spent any upgrade points on a long-ranged attack at all. The system may simply not be giving Silver Crow that option. The avatar might not have any potential for long-range attacks at all. Quote:
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The odds of victory are decided by the particular form of your enemy's abilities, the distance at which you began the fight from each other, and the particular environment that was randomly generated. If Blue Knight blindly tries to challenge Scarlet Rain to a duel, he has no idea how close she will be when the match starts. It's in his favor if she happened to be nearby, but if she was at the very edge of the Area, he's fighting an uphill battle. If Scarlet Rain is looking to challenge someone to a duel, blindly or otherwise, she wants to Accelerate from the highest building in the area. Whatever stage is created, she'll have a good chance of standing on higher ground than her opponent, which usually means an easier time spotting them and a clear line of fire. As for the stage, just see how the odds of Corral Merrow and Lagoon Dolphin versus Sulphur Pot and Nidhoggr changed completely when the environment became "Underwater". Charcoal Smoke would have been completely useless, so that Yellow ability would have been ineffective. Quote:
Crow's victory against Roller wasn't about advantages, but cleverness. It was a case-in-point that even with the odds stacked against you, fighting smart can win a battle. That flexibility was entirely Haruyuki the gamer and not Silver Crow the speedster. Silver Crow is built to do nothing but hit-and-run, especially when using flight to dive at the enemy from the sky. His Headbutt is the only move that doesn't fit this fighting style, considering its telegraphed charge-up pose. As seen with Roller (and later against another opponent), the Headbutt can only be effectively used when Silver Crow is grappling with his opponent. Whichever one is in control, the opponent is unable to dodge. For the physically weak, ultra-lightweight Silver Crow, a grapple is the worst place to be, because he cannot dodge or escape and the crushing pressure goes right through his toughness. The Headbutt is his last chance desperation attack against someone who manages to get him in that situation. It's especially desperate, considering that it requires a full Special Meter, which requires a lot of damage to charge up. And that full Meter is spent on a single all-or-nothing attack. But clearly, the game's idea was that Crow would normally engage in close-range combat, or else he wouldn't get himself into such situations often enough for the Headbutt to be worthwhile. Quote:
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I mean, the poor guy's got to be paying for it with weaknesses against electricity, heat, cold, and/or corrosion, and those are likely to come from long-range attacks. Quote:
I speak of the original Chrome Disaster. Quote:
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She does have a transformation which makes her faster, but that form's crushing bite attack just emphasizes the cannibalism of her vampiric abilities. And the vampiric abilities in and of themselves do nothing to make her faster. Quote:
I would sooner attribute it to a conflict in the player. For example, some part of Noumi lends itself to Yellow tactics, but another part of Noumi lends itself to direct attacks at variable range. Maybe the divide was Noumi "as he saw/desired himself" and "as he really was", or Noumi "as he was without trauma" and "as his trauma had shaped him". For example, I doubt Noumi was born feeling empty and wanting to steal everything to fill his void. He used to be different. But the trauma inflicted by his brother became so deeply ingrained that it became part of who he was, and therefore affected his avatar. Haruyuki, on the other hand, has a real talent for mental speed as well as a desire to become faster. Rather than his trauma distracting him from his talent, he seems to have used his talent as a shelter. Likewise, Taku stuck with kendo even despite the horrible bullying. He took shelter and strength within his passion. Noumi took shelter within the trauma itself, and that may be why his avatar was contradictory. Instead of being what he wanted to be, he became a thief. Perhaps Pard's vampirism and cannibalism don't reflect her real passion, but instead the form of defense she chose against whatever hurt her? Quote:
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Where do you come by this knowledge? The light novel? I'd like to be able to cite it myself, for others. |
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I can imagine opponents choking to death on poisonous levels of radiation, unable to find their way out to safety because the world is spinning 'round and 'round, while a mad clown dances at the edges of the wheel, mocking them with his capering. I wonder if irradiation counts as corrosion, against which Silver has no defense? Or disease/poison, against which Silver is strong? Maybe it's both, in which case it makes no difference. According to a list in the 12th LN, Yellow Radio has the abilties of "Sense of Equilibrium" and "Acrobatics". Perhaps even Radio can be affected by his own radiation and illusions, and his ability lets him find his way out? And his acrobatics enhances his ability to dodge attacks without being particularly fast. Combined with the pain and dizziness of his indirect attacks, opponents would find it very difficult to hit him. But maybe he couldn't use his radiation against the Red King and Black Legion, perhaps because it would affect his own Legion? I wonder if Fire Cracker Deceit is just a personalized version of IS teleportation, different from Niko's only in terms of visual style? |
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Don't forget that all of the kings, save Scarlet Rain, ascended through normal conditions available to any Burst Linker. Thus if it was true that metallic avatars have more potential than the kings themselves, someone like Iron Pound would already be a king. The instant death rule would not be a factor since he would be stronger. Quote:
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Notice how both traumas are about contradiction, and this is reflected on their avatars. But that would mean that these two being darker shades and also contradictory to their own colours is just a mere coincidence. Back to square one, I guess. Quote:
It details the second King's Summit. I've picked out a few parts which support your thesis on Radio's capabilities. Quote:
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However, uranium that has been slightly processed is indeed a yellow colour and is aptly named "Yellowcake". Kawahara must have been referring to that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake Quote:
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But being a lightweight is not necessarily a weakness in close combat; not if one is sufficiently agile. That's what it means to be a hit-and-run specialist. Lagoon Dolphin seems to be a lightweight*, and has no resistance to piercing or cutting like Silver Crow. Granted, she's also not as much of an extreme case as him either, since she's not balanced around the ability to fly, but Silver Crow is still designed to divebomb rather than snipe. * This is not entirely reliable. Lime Bell seems to be a lightweight because of her small and thin frame, yet she performs much more like a heavyweight considering her striking power and physical toughness. She's probably heavier than she looks, and suffers from low agility. Quote:
But speaking of metals and colors, here's what I found for Trilead Tetraoxide: http://www.webelements.com/compounds...etraoxide.html "Colour: orange-red" |
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The name occurs because Trilead Tetraoxide is a crucial ingredient for life-extending alchemic substances, and the same colour as the royal red/yellow for a prince's robes. It is strongly hinted at that Heir is in fact the crown prince of Japan, or at least one of the members of the royal family. |
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Referring to that linked post, Taku was surely an idiot for buying Spiral Gravity Driver.
A blunt-type special move, and it was incapable of doing as much damage to Silver Crow as a basic piercing attack did. I also think Cyan Lightning Spike was a waste of potential. Splash Stinger is awesome, though, but there's some confusion about whether its a normal or special attack. The wiki lists it as normal. |
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Does anybody else think that the Seven Arcs are capable of changing their appearance to suit the avatar that is wielding them? Surely it can't just be a coincidence that the Impulse just happens to be blue, the Strife green and the Tempest purple, right?
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The Destiny, in its Disaster form, while changing shape did keep the colour of its original master though. Perhaps this was due to it being a corruption of the Destiny and not its pure form? Last edited by Orange Duke; 2013-01-12 at 11:53. |
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I feel sure that the Seven Arcs change shape to match the user, as the Armor of Catatrophe did. But not necessarily color.
Is not a broadsword a Blue-type weapon? Wouldn't a shield generally be Green, and a gun Red? The Mystic Reins are not yellow, but its stat page features a prominent Yellow circle, and it was being used by (and possibly originated from) a Yellow avatar. |
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Bringing up the healing avatar who removed herself from the game made me wonder something...
Orchid Oracle... what if SHE was that healer? Something screwy was going on, given the way she was able to return to the Accelerated World despite apparently having been deleted from it. What if she was never deleted? What if she used an Incarnate System trick to fake her death, such that the system treats her as deleted, except for when she subconsciously decides to return? Also, whatever color "Orchid" is supposed to be (Oracle is pink, white and yellow, and the flower is any number of colors), Paradigm Revolution is definitely a Yellow power. Volume 12 also names another power she has, which seems to be an illusion-based ability. So it's easily possible that her high-level abilities could include an indirect tactic like healing others. But the point is that her color seems close to White. And the one Burst Linker Kuroyukihime hates most is one of the other rare healers in the game. White Cosmos has the power to heal; presumably, to heal both herself and other avatars. This helps explain how she could make it as far as Level 9 without offensive abilities. It still doesn't explain why she's White, as opposed to Greenish-Yellow like Lime Bell. |
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This White thing, I have an alternative explanation: that they deal indirectly by affecting the stage, environment, and other burst linkers. Recall Radio's Silly Go Round, that could have simply had the same effect as rotating the victim's perspective round and round, but Haru and co. were unlucky enough to be in a deep crater when that happened.
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I think it's more about reflecting the nature of it's owner. Crow's wings resembled devil wings while in taker's posession. Also, the light novels had Noumi saying a comment about his tentacles that 'The previous owner said it was from a starfish.' It's true there are differences between the LN and anime, but the colour saturation of Noumi's tentacles seem darker than I'd assume.
With only 4 pieces of equipment to go on from here, i don't think we can have a definite answer though. |
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