2011-05-06, 02:25 | Link #21 | |
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But going back to your point... Spoiler for Myung:
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2011-05-06, 10:46 | Link #27 | |
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Spoiler for Seriously...They don't even use spoiler tags for the other 10+ years old anime anymore so why use it for this one?:
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2011-05-06, 11:21 | Link #30 |
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I'll have to check it again, since it's been a while...but perhaps there's a disconnect between what Guld remembers and what actually happened, and that's reflected in the flashbacks? I'm not sure about that, just tossing it in as a possibility.
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2011-05-06, 11:41 | Link #31 |
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You funny guys realize that the whole spoiler complaint from me happened when people were discussing this series all over the music videos thread, right? Right after someone said they JUST watched it? And despite that thread having a specific request not to post spoilers? Call me a prude, but just as I don't want to be spoiled about things I might yet see/read, I'd not like other people to feel the same way. Sorry if that offends anyone.
I mean, come on. Give me a break, will ya? Now we're on the series own thread, after the helpful mods created it (we did not have a Plus thread, before. I checked). No need for spoiler tags about it here, I'd think.
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2011-05-06, 17:11 | Link #33 |
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(Ok, as requested, no spoiler tags this time...)
No, if I remember it correctly, she was torn between the two. Sharon Apple, whose emotional programming was based on Myung's emotions, confirms it when she goes crazy. According to her words, she loves Guld but loves Isamu more. So she loves both, but she chose Isamu. Guld's transgression sort of messed up their lives and drove them apart. Fast forward to the present, Isamu is lost and being a hot-headed player, Guld is angry and mistakenly thinks it's all Isamu's fault, while Myung is confused and tries to avoid all their past emotional baggage. |
2011-05-07, 02:08 | Link #34 |
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Are you sure it's really correct to say that Zentraedi are "naturally aggressive"? Most of the ones living aboard the Frontier seemed to have no problem keeping their tempers in check. Hell, Nene is a shrinking violet (which makes me wonder why the heck she's part of a military units, but that's another issue).
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Well that's what they say in both the OVA and the movie, plus the latter half of SDF Macross kinda proved this. Quote:
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But until a week ago, I hadn't seen it either. And plus, I'm amazed there was no thread for it. I mean, if you had stuff to say about it, where would you post it until this week? Quote:
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I guess that explains a little bit more about why Guld said "you two kept it from me out of sympathy." I never understood how he would just have a memory lapse and blame Isamu for it. He was probably traumatized by realizing he had harmed his friend/love. Quote:
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I've watched it on my computer via the R2 DVD rips AND the English dub. GULD walks in on Isamu and Myung together. Quote:
I think Sharon was actually talking about herself in that context. When she says she loves Guld but loves Isamu more, I mean. For one, she says it as SHE loves Isamu more and not that Myung does. And since Sharon thought she was human now (had a soul), she is referring to herself. So, the only obvious answer is when Myung is upset that Sharon is trying to seduce Isamu into his "dream." I think it's easy to say that not ALL Zentradi are violent. For one thing, Ranka is not naturally very violent, and she is 1/4 Zentrant just as Guld was 1/4 Zentrant. Perhaps it has to do with the sex and the genes inherited. Guld possibly came from the more aggressive side. It's easy to note this because if all Zentradi were aggressive to the point of where Guld was, then Max would've been in for a lot of abusive behavior from his wife. Then, we are led to wonder, what happened to split them up in Macross 7 but emotional issues? As far as I know, no violence befell either one.
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Maybe Alto behaves that way towards Brera because Brera is one that continually attacks Alto and his comrades unprovoked, or maybe its the fact that Brera almost killed his comrades, and then acts like a douche on top of it? Yeah Alto has plenty of reasons to dislike Brera, that isn't really personal and isn't linked to Ranka. You really need to take Ranka, and the finished love triangle off of your brain when viewing other Macross series, or just Frontier in general, cause otherwise you will miss out (I mean you couldn't even tell when Frontier launched though they said it in the show, nor could you tell how folding works, or even the bare bones facts in the series). Quote:
So I wouldn't say that Alto loved Ranka romantically at all, as he made no real effort to spend any time with her. You keep forgetting that Alto, Ranka, and Sheryl met at exactly the same time. And even if Sheryl wasn't there there simply is no evidence that Alto would have fallen in love with Ranka, hell the movie even makes so that Ranka gets a head start and Alto still didn't fall in love with her. Then there is the added fact that Alto can't understand Ranka without Sheryl's involvement, heck Alto probably wouldn't have seen Ranka again without Sheryl's involvement. Denial must be pretty strong with you. [QUOTE=LoveMeKags;3602865] Not really talking about best friends turned rivals, more of the rivals in love bit. And, since Brera and Alto are fighting over who can protect Ranka properly, they fit into the category of "rivals in love." Too bad Brera never acknowledged that Ranka loved Alto - although he does seem to show it, as he tries to push Alto to realize she's in love with him.[/quote[ No they do not, because neither Brera nor Alto are in love with Ranka, therefore they are not "rivals in love". Though if want to continue arguing it I could just as easily point out that the scene when Guld walks in on Myung and Isamu was just like the scene when Ranka walked in on Alto and Sheryl, except that instead of falling into a fit of rage, Ranka fell into a fit of depression and self-pity. Quote:
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Sharon Apple isn't just speaking for herself, but she also reflects Myung's inner turmoil and emotions. Originally, Sharon Apple was meant to be a straightforward artificial idol who appears as a hologram, but Myung infuses her with emotional traits via an illegal chip that was provided by the original lead scientist of the program. When Sharon Apple goes berserk, it's as if she's also acting like Myung's crazed id—and upon hearing Sharon Apple's confession, Myung is also reminded of her own true feelings. It's not as if Myung wants the whole city destroyed, but as far as the music and her feelings are concerned, Sharon Apple is Myung. Here is the basic plot rundown with Sharon Apple at the centre: Spoiler:
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