2013-04-17, 06:06 | Link #6382 | |
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though ZAFT already have Gundam technology from 4 stolen gundams and built Freedom/Justice/Providence but for some reason they didn't use that technology with first 4 gundam e.g: nuclear reactor >>> I guess they don't trust them yet or only need the data to build their own upgrade version with ZAFT scientists >>> Destiny/Legend |
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2013-04-17, 11:51 | Link #6383 | |
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Cagalli was the naive one. Uzumi at least built up Orb's power so they wouldn't be bullied. Cagalli tried to up hold Orb's ideals with rainbows and fancy nice sounding words with nothing to back them up. But, that is due to her being young and inexperienced( why she was always off guard by Shinn's counter-points and easily manipulated by the Soran's...). |
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2013-04-17, 12:03 | Link #6384 |
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Given how she saw things operate in the first season, it was stupid of her to act or believe that way; she already knew better. She acted like she did in Destiny because they needed someone like her acting like that.
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2013-04-17, 13:11 | Link #6385 | |
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2013-04-17, 13:32 | Link #6386 | |
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I believe they had her act that way because they wanted her to fill in the void of her Father. It was very out of character since even up to the end of SEED Cagalli was willing to fight her hardest if it meant peace and hated it when she was talked down to by her Father. I also assume they wanted to play up her guilt over her relationship with her Father and the trauma she faced when Orb was destroyed the first time thus she became scared and shunned logic that she used to agree with. Even Kira of all people needed to slap sense into Cagalli after the whole wedding thing.
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ZAFT took in willing Orb refugees when Orb was ruined. They aren't going to deny them the option of employment and none of the Orb Refugees were forced to give up Orb secrets, they all did it willingly. Besides, telling them to not use it would mean that the Orb Refugees would have a harder time landing jobs as much of their career in MS, maintenance, and the such is based off Orb technology in the first place. Thus Durandal has no control in what the Orb Refugees choose to share and say. It just so happened that the Orb Refugees ended up being extremely helpful due to their willingness in that regard to help. Because people aren't as open as Shinn. Such as Rey who does agree with Shinn's thoughts but he remains respectful and holds his tongue because of Cagalli's position. Had Cagalli been just a civie I'm sure Rey would have given her a tongue lashing too for not understanding the reality of things. |
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2013-04-17, 14:28 | Link #6387 |
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Cagalli tends to break down at the slightest hint that Uzumi's Orb ideals weren't loved by all. It happens whenever Shinn goes off on her, it's pretty much the reason Yuna is able to control her (If we do what you say Orb will be burned again! Plus angry stares from the staff pretty much broke her and made her agree to the wedding.) and even during the sea battles she freezes up and cries when the Orb soldiers show they don't want to listen to her. It's only at the end of Destiny when anyone who would have said otherwise was convieniently killed in the Zaft invasion of Orb is she able to be confident again.
Of course again, her personality was not nearly like this in Seed, but in Destiny she's now someones younger sister, which according to Japanese character tradition means she's needs to be emotionally vulnerable and protectable. |
2013-04-17, 14:37 | Link #6388 | |
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Give your own country secret technology to other people with your own choice= traitors They coould work on ZAFT technology but no they have to sell their own mother land technology for money... Simple example Someone work for sony > ps3 division Some trouble happened and he leave to other company > SE Is it legal to copy 99% of ps3 technology and name it ps33? Working on Xbox sure but not ps3 and name it ps33 They just built gundam using 100% of their own mother land secret technology for money instead of workings on Zaku Oh wait.. ZAFT don't want them to get near it since you know... they might sell it to Orb or other Organization... After all they already sold their own mother country that perish to ash just to protect them |
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2013-04-17, 14:42 | Link #6389 | ||
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Her belief is that too much military power should not be needed, especially in what was supposed to be a time of peace and rebuilding after the last war. And this is also supposedly agreed upon by ZAFT and the EA, which is why the peace treaty put restrictions on the amount of military power that each country may maintain going forward. That said, I'm sure ZAFT was still in accordance with the limitations set by the treaty at this point in the series. So it's a matter of Cagalli's opinion of what constitutes too much power. Although, the fact that three mobile suits could wreak such damage does make one wonder whether they are needed in time of peace. They were apparently powerful enough that the AF would risk starting another war just to have them. And that's not even counting the Impulse and the Minerva. Quote:
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2013-04-17, 15:11 | Link #6390 |
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That's on Cagalli. She hasn't asked that they be returned and tried as Traitors and if she did than public opinion in Orb and ZAFT would turn severely against her. So she can only berate Durandal even though it isn't his fault at all that he's making use of willing ORB refugees.
Besides, sharing ORB technology makes it easier for them to land a high paying job, especially as they aren't ZAFT citizens and not all people of ORB are even Coordinators. It would also take them far too long to just toss out their ORB knowledge and try and learn ZAFT stuff instead of just taking what they know and applying it to ZAFT knowledge that they will pick up on the job. So the only legit recourse that Cagalli could have done is demand the traitors be returned and tried which would have had severe backlash for her. Thus all she can do is complain even though she knows Durandal can't change what the ORB refugees want to share. Besides, there are also those from ORB that think like Shinn and see ORB letting their families die as a betrayal. They also strongly believe that had ORB been stronger than things may have been different. Especially when you consider that ORB would have fallen extremely quickly without data from the Strike and help from the Buster and the ZAFT Gundams - Freedom and Justice. |
2013-04-17, 15:12 | Link #6391 | |
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Its pretty easy to see the Coordinator scientists switching over to ZAFT after what the Federation did to their country ZAFT also had Orb tech ever since they captured the 4 GAT suits, and as we saw, were easily capable of making stronger suits in SEED (the ZAFT X series, aka the suits with the N-jammer tech and nuclear drives) Last I checked Impulse looked the way it was simply because it was a homage to the Strike, it had nothing to do with anything else. Anyone can make a Gundam resemble another Gundam, people aren't blind Im also assuming English is not your first language from the way your sentences are contructed (dont worry Im not hating on u for it) |
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2013-04-17, 15:15 | Link #6392 |
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Note that ZAFT welcomed all ORB citizens - Natural and Coordinator even when the top management in ZAFT during SEED was extremely racist against Naturals. Obviously the Naturals defecting to ZAFT didn't make up that large a number until after SEED when ZAFT lowered its stance against Naturals.
Besides, better ZAFT than the Feds who had just torched their country. Of course a good number of ORB citizens did return after SEED when the Feds left ORB and ORB started rebuilding. ZAFT had no issue with this, as no one was being held there against their will, unless they had willingly signed a binding contract to remain in ZAFT - such as joining the military. |
2013-04-17, 15:42 | Link #6393 | |
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2013-04-17, 16:42 | Link #6394 | |
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The EA also broke the treaty. I believe mirage colloid was also outlawed in it, but the Phantom Pain ship( name escaping me right now) was equipped with it. |
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2013-04-17, 16:58 | Link #6395 |
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It was. Ultimately the treaty was meaningless, they still developed weapons forbidden to it and failed to deal with the issues that lead to the hostility in the first place, such as the dismantling of Blue Cosmos in the EA's political structure.
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@quagmire I'm not sure I get your meaning. How was rebuilding the Freedom in violation of the treaty?
Otherwise I agree it was meaningless. Almost like whoever drafted it was intentionally writing it in such a way that it would be broken and start another war. Almost as if it was meant to give all the sides just enough time to rebuild their militaries for another big fight. Of course that's just fanwanky speculation on my part. |
2013-04-17, 17:17 | Link #6397 |
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The Freedom is a mobile suit equipped with a nuclear reactor and thus an N-Jammer Canceler, the latter of which is illegal to equip on mobile suits after the Junius Treaty was ratified. By rebuilding the Freedom, Terminal or Orb, whichever did the reconstruction, violated the treaty.
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2013-04-17, 17:19 | Link #6398 | |
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And rising, even if it was Terminal that rebuilt it, the fact that Orb was in possession of it could be seen as a violation. Though I guess the loophole is that it wasn't officially a part of the Orb military( along with the Archangel). |
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2013-04-17, 17:26 | Link #6400 |
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It's use and existence still violated the treaty, regardless of when it was restored. If you wanted to bandy words politically, you can still claim that the Freedom was a ZAFT creation, regardless of who used it, and you know the EA would've loved to use that against them concerning the treaty.
That said, I don't think anyone knows when exactly the Freedom was restored. It could very well have been rebuilt after the treaty went into effect.
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