(L) Sekirei / Jupiterjukers

[Arturro]

@AKnightWhoSaysNi! - a few pages earlier in this topic there was lots of speculations about Minato orgins. There are 2 suspect for beeing his father (Minaka and Takehito), also there are some hints that Minato and his sister may not be (fully) humans, just another MBI experiment.

[zibi88]

Yeah some of them were kinda my ideas XD

Well Kazehana pointed kinda on Minaka from her reaction.... but than it would point on how bad parent Minaka was.... he made a kid to Takami and what he didnt noticed that.... kinda strange..

I was wondering why Takami took Minato and Yukari so far away from city to country side... to their grandmother.... did takami wanted to hide them from some people and Minaka.... or was it that she didnt had time to watch over them.... well she could buy an apartment and have her kids clsoe to her work place yet she didnt do that... she moved them away.

About Minaka well there is a question why did he choiced Takami.... like he mentioned he was exited to see so many naked girls walking out of the space ship so what he didnt liked those girls or what...

Minaka klinda doesnt act like a parent... he is a maniac and a workoholic ^^ besides sekirei plan he doesnt notice other things around....

Takami doesnt act like a marriage partner of Minaka... she said that Kagari can kill him as many times he wants.... that are kidna harsh words for a woman that brought kids to the world with that guy >_< (besides naruto's eye shape is differnet from Takamis and Minakas [he has more round ones... while takami and minaka have small and sharp eye shape... and normaly kids have traits after their parents so yeah its strange]


Why Takehito... well like we saw on many pages... he was working with Takami... so 2scientists in one room for most of the day... something could spark between him and Takami.... but now he died and Takami took her and his children (minato and yukari) away to hide them from the people that killed Takehito... even Miya at first chapters mentioned that minato kinda resambles Takehito when he was in his jump suit... (besides takehito had good heart for sekirei's and his eye shape is big and round like Minato's)

And the last idea was that Minato and maybe Yukari were created in an experiment of MBI... like they found sekirei's and awsome technology and tryed to create new humans.... better ones.... they were born but maybe didnt showed much of improvements that they were expecting after fuseing sekirei and human DNA.... and so maybe they wanted to dispose of them.... but here Takami jumped in and took the kids as her own and hided them at the country side....

Well Higa mentioned that Yukari is way more valuable than those sekirei's or junkis.... why is she so valuable... is it becouse she is daughter of the MBI heads... or he knows about them beign improved humans (adjusted humans) that's why they are way more valuable...... time will show...

but well Minato is winging kinda like all first numbers...and he is unusually weak psyhicaly... its like he was created from DNA of a single number and so he reacts to other single numbers more... hard to say.......

But Takami kinda had too good figure after giving birth :P and she doesnt act much like mother....lieing to her own kids... pushing them away to grandmother house and not keeping them close.... and not telling about their father... kinda strange indead ^^

Time will show but we can guess it will be a huge shock on Minato...

[hellraiser85]

Originally Posted by Sute443

Minato, you IDIOT!

Spoiler for Why Minato is an idiot:

Sure, turning down an alliance with the guy you have little reason to suspect and going along with the designs of the megalomaniac whose plan would leave you with at most one Sekirei is an entirely sensible thing to do. Not.

I mean, really. We readers have plenty of reasons to distrust Higa, but Minato doesn't have anywhere near the reasons we have. What does he know about the bad stuff Higa has done? Some of his Sekirei were trying to capture Kagari for winging; I think that's it. Consider that Kagari was dying at that point, winging saved his life, and Higa and his followers had no way to know that Kagari was reacting to someone, and I think it would be reasonable for Minato to give him a pass on that one.

So, Minato, exactly when are you going to get around to overthrowing the Sekirei Plan? Remember, there is no actual evidence that Musubi would be able to return the defeated Sekirei to their Ashikabi if you two win, so every Sekirei defeated is two hearts potentially beyond restore.

the reason minato refused to ally with higa is that he can't figure higa's true motives from his speech and later he tells his sekirei that he simply can't get along with someone who said that he doesn't need sekirei that don't listen to orders

[Direwolf18]

Originally Posted by zibi88

Minaka klinda doesnt act like a parent... he is a maniac and a workoholic ^^ besides sekirei plan he doesnt notice other things around....

Takami doesnt act like a marriage partner of Minaka... she said that Kagari can kill him as many times he wants.... that are kidna harsh words for a woman that brought kids to the world with that guy >_<

While I am entirely open to the idea that Minaka is not Minato's father, just need to point this out.

I have personally met people that met this description, fathers so busy with work, or their new girlfriend, or whatever, that they really just don't give a crap about their kids.

Also for the second bit, there is a reason that when their is a murder, the very first person the police look at is the spouse.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by AKnightWhoSaysNi!

Note: "Loving your father" is not a valid reason for being complacent in something like this either.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

the reason minato refused to ally with higa is that he can't figure higa's true motives from his speech and later he tells his sekirei that he simply can't get along with someone who said that he doesn't need sekirei that don't listen to orders

Lousy reasons. If you can't figure out someone's true motives from their introductory speech, then you ask questions until you have an idea of their motives. Not getting along with people just because they do what they have to to keep their Sekirei in line? Did Minato forget that Higa's Sekirei was going to attack Minato's before Higa made her stand down?

If Minato doesn't start showing some intelligence and actual courage soon, I'm going to have to start thinking of Higa as the hero. Higa's already in Anti-Villain (does bad stuff but has a good point) territory as far as I'm concerned.

[zibi88]

Originally Posted by Sute443

Agreed.



Lousy reasons. If you can't figure out someone's true motives from their introductory speech, then you ask questions until you have an idea of their motives. Not getting along with people just because they do what they have to to keep their Sekirei in line? Did Minato forget that Higa's Sekirei was going to attack Minato's before Higa made her stand down?

If Minato doesn't start showing some intelligence and actual courage soon, I'm going to have to start thinking of Higa as the hero. Higa's already in Anti-Villain (does bad stuff but has a good point) territory as far as I'm concerned.

Cant agree with you ^^ Minato is smart enought to know that if the motives are unknown than dont play in that game with him..... since in the process he might lose all his sekirei and that would destroy minato for good.... what if Higa said... you go and defeat karasuba..... thre is no way he would defeat her right now....

Minato is not like Higa.... Minato cares for his sekirei and doesnt treat them like tools,animals to make them listen to every command like robots... Higa treats sekirei like tools nothing more.... while minato treats them like humans,friends,most important people to him which he loves... they have huge bond and loseing even 1of them would be very painfull for minato...

Like musubi said at the beggining.... to be gentle is the hardest thing... and there is not strenght without gentlesness... about that higa girl that wanted to attack.... she is rather small fry now... musubi ,tsukiumi and kagari are way more stronger....

anyway all minatos sekirei thing the same way like minato... so since musubi and tsukiumi were sticking to minato means that they agree with minatos way of thinking ^^

So I porsonaly think minato was the smart one here.... since he wont jump into something not knowing what is bellow ^^ and since Higa's motives are not known... and the fact that he took Yukari to a prison like room and keep her captured... makes him still a bad guy (if he was a good guy he wouldnt keep yukari in his apartment prisoned...he took away her free will from her righ now...not able to do what she wants to do... no way to contact minato or call help)

[Bonta Kun]

Originally Posted by Sute443

Agreed.



Lousy reasons. If you can't figure out someone's true motives from their introductory speech, then you ask questions until you have an idea of their motives. Not getting along with people just because they do what they have to to keep their Sekirei in line? Did Minato forget that Higa's Sekirei was going to attack Minato's before Higa made her stand down?

If Minato doesn't start showing some intelligence and actual courage soon, I'm going to have to start thinking of Higa as the hero. Higa's already in Anti-Villain (does bad stuff but has a good point) territory as far as I'm concerned.

Like zibi says Minato is playing it smart cause you can't honestly think he can barrage Higa with questions given their current situation now do you?

If anything to get answers Minato would probably have to join with Higa and even then I don't Higa would give it all straight away now. Better to not play any part at all if you don't have a clue whats going on.

[cors8]

It's not like Minato is in a weak position anyway. He has enough time to consult with the rest of his Sekirei, Seo, Miya and get Matsu to try to do some hacking for more information before making any alliances.

In the long run, he obviously made the best decision since he doesn't know Yukari is being held hostage by Higa. Once he finds out, any alliance would be over anyway. This way, he won't have to suffer any damage that may be caused by "honoring" the alliance.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by zibi88

Cant agree with you ^^ Minato is smart enought to know that if the motives are unknown than dont play in that game with him..... since in the process he might lose all his sekirei and that would destroy minato for good.... what if Higa said... you go and defeat karasuba..... thre is no way he would defeat her right now....

Gee, when did anyone say that working with someone meant losing free will? I don't think anyone here said that. So about Higa telling Minato to go after Karasuba, in that situation Minato would be free to tell Higa to screw off.

Originally Posted by zibi88

Minato is not like Higa.... Minato cares for his sekirei and doesnt treat them like tools,animals to make them listen to every command like robots... Higa treats sekirei like tools nothing more.... while minato treats them like humans,friends,most important people to him which he loves... they have huge bond and loseing even 1of them would be very painfull for minato...

You do realize that Minaka's plan says that only the last Sekirei will get the reward, right? Not the last Ashikabi and his/her team of Sekirei, but the last Sekirei. Following Minaka's plan means losing at least five of Minato's Sekirei. If Higa thinks he has a way around that, it's worth listening to him.

Originally Posted by zibi88

Like musubi said at the beggining.... to be gentle is the hardest thing... and there is not strenght without gentlesness... about that higa girl that wanted to attack.... she is rather small fry now... musubi ,tsukiumi and kagari are way more stronger....

I don't recall Minato's Sekirei steamrolling over Higa's when they fought. As I recall, the battle ended when Minato winged Kagari, not when Higa's were defeated. There's no reason to just assume that Higa's are small fry next to Minato's. Even Tsukiumi and Kagari being single numbers doesn't mean anything since the whole "single numbers are dangerous" idea came from the first five, not the rest (I know, Yume was definitely up there, but she could be an outlier).

Originally Posted by zibi88

anyway all minatos sekirei thing the same way like minato... so since musubi and tsukiumi were sticking to minato means that they agree with minatos way of thinking ^^

Meaningless. Just because you can get people to agree with you doesn't mean you are right.

Originally Posted by zibi88

So I porsonaly think minato was the smart one here.... since he wont jump into something not knowing what is bellow ^^ and since Higa's motives are not known... and the fact that he took Yukari to a prison like room and keep her captured... makes him still a bad guy (if he was a good guy he wouldnt keep yukari in his apartment prisoned...he took away her free will from her righ now...not able to do what she wants to do... no way to contact minato or call help)

Minato has no way to know any of that. Minato does know that Minaka has created a game that turns people into his toys, taken over the capitol of Japan with his own private army, and personally threatened to do bad stuff to Minato if he tells anyone about the Sekirei Project. This isn't even mentioning that it appears Minaka has approved of murder. Does Higa sound like such a bad guy in comparison?

Originally Posted by Bonta Kun

Like zibi says Minato is playing it smart cause you can't honestly think he can barrage Higa with questions given their current situation now do you?

No, I don't. I do think he could have arranged a trial truce for the duration of the competition (until the forced fight part was announced, anyways) and arranged to ask questions afterward. If nothing else, gain some idea of why Higa thinks he has a chance of overthrowing MBI.

Originally Posted by Bonta Kun

If anything to get answers Minato would probably have to join with Higa and even then I don't Higa would give it all straight away now. Better to not play any part at all if you don't have a clue whats going on.

He could have at least tried to get answers. Better to try to understand circumstances than to blindly reject what is not immediately understood.

It's not like Minato is in a weak position anyway. He has enough time to consult with the rest of his Sekirei, Seo, Miya and get Matsu to try to do some hacking for more information before making any alliances.

And if he'd said that he needs time to think about it and consult with his other Sekirei, that would have been a smart decision. From the summary, I got the impression that he flat-out rejected Higa's offer. Is this impression mistaken?

In the long run, he obviously made the best decision since he doesn't know Yukari is being held hostage by Higa. Once he finds out, any alliance would be over anyway. This way, he won't have to suffer any damage that may be caused by "honoring" the alliance.

Best decision from an omniscient point of view? Maybe. Best decision from the limited information Minato has? Hell no.

Higa is not a good guy, but if he is the only one who wants to stand against Minaka while Minato waits around and does as he's told, then Higa is the one to cheer for. I don't want to cheer for him, but if Minato doesn't start taking a more proactive stance...

[tzia_n]

@Sute443

Your replies to Zibi's replies are too long so I'll just skip that

I don't think Minato rejected Higa on the grounds that he tried winging Kagari. If anything, his ground would be that Higa tried to wing Kagari forcefully. You point that winging eventually saved Kagari is moot when it comes to Higa, since Higa has no ability to know of Kagari's situation.

Ultimately, what Minato knew of Higa from his experience is that Higa tried to wing Kagari even against Kagari's wishes, and that should be sufficient grounds to reject an alliance with him given Minato's character.

Or if you don't want, just assume Minato is insecure

On another topic...

tzia_n summons tri-ring for spoilers!
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[Tri-ring]

Originally Posted by tzia_n

@Sute443

On another topic...

tzia_n summons tri-ring for spoilers!
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waits for tri-ring

You called?
You'll have to sacrifice a monster card in your hand and wait one turn to do so.

I really don't think there is much to spoil since most of it is already written out.
One thing that has not been mentioned;

Spoiler for Homura's words:

He suggested that he will self destruct taking out as many opponents as possible in order to save Tsukiumi and Musubi from any harm in which Minato flatly rejects.
Next episode Battle ROYALE between all participating Sekireis.

[Justin Kim]

Originally Posted by Tri-ring

You called?
You'll have to sacrifice a monster card in your hand and wait one turn to do so.

I really don't think there is much to spoil since most of it is already written out.
One thing that has not been mentioned;

Spoiler for Homura's words:

He suggested that he will self destruct taking out as many opponents as possible in order to save Tsukiumi and Musubi from any harm in which Minato flatly rejects.
Next episode Battle ROYALE between all participating Sekireis.

Tri, I think the battle royale already kinda started, according to KMTS.

[hellraiser85]

Originally Posted by Justin Kim

Tri, I think the battle royale already kinda started, according to KMTS.

no it's different, in the previous 2 matches the three teams had to compete in a kind of treasure hunt and the fastest one would get the jinki;
but this time there's no treasure hunt to do, the jinki will be given (by mbi) to the only team left at the end of the battle royal: basically minaka is using the match as an excuse to have the disciplinary squad punish minato and higa who both disrespected the sekirei plan

[Justin Kim]

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

no it's different, in the previous 2 matches the three teams had to compete in a kind of treasure hunt and the fastest one would get the jinki;
but this time there's no treasure hunt to do, the jinki will be given (by mbi) to the only team left at the end of the battle royal: basically minaka is using the match as an excuse to have the disciplinary squad punish minato and higa who both disrespected the sekirei plan

But the whole Sekirei plan is pretty much a battle royale when you look at it. Saying that this match is a battle royale is only giving it the unnecessary individualism it needs for it to stand alone as a prime match in Sekirei. When really, there were other matches between Minato and his Sekirei that influenced the latter outcome of the entire plot line.

[AKnightWhoSaysNi!]

KMTS is done WHO WILL FEED NI's ADDICTION NOW!? They have my utmost respect and congrats for bringing Sekrei to the English speaking world for this long!

[zibi88]

Originally Posted by AKnightWhoSaysNi!

KMTS is done WHO WILL FEED NI's ADDICTION NOW!? They have my utmost respect and congrats for bringing Sekrei to the English speaking world for this long!

further there is a information that they wont canel their projects.... and they will continue the work but not as kmts team but "A-team"

so only a matter of time to gather new team....

[vanguardian1]

Originally Posted by Sute443

Minato, you IDIOT!

Actually, if you remember, Seo said (during the plan for the escape) that :

Originally Posted by Seo, kmts translation

And to the East, Higa Izumi.

The number of sekirei they control isn't a joke.

I've met Izumi a couple of times but he's against the 'Sekirei Plan'. So he has a bunch of ashikabi followers.

He might cause a ruckus soon. He's a crafty guy.

Sounds like someone to be wary of, even if minato's sister is removed from the equation.

[AKnightWhoSaysNi!]

At the very least "enemy of my enemy" and all that should have factored into it. Choosing between the giant monomaniacal evil or the "might be" evil guy, id say getting all the help you can get would be more important than in depth background checks at this point. There is plenty of time to find out bad he is later, but for now fighting MBI the more the merrier.

Once he finds out about his Sister / Uzume then yes, break it off.

[hellraiser85]

Originally Posted by vanguardian1

Sounds like someone to be wary of, even if minato's sister is removed from the equation.

yea you are right, and the speech you quoted is exactly what minato recalls at pag 5 ;-)

[AKnightWhoSaysNi!]

ugh this is more or less exactly what I don't want to start happening. "Well, there's nothing we can do, so looks like we have to play the game!!!" We'll see how he handles it, but in the future I would like to see a bit more initiative on Minato's part... like... not playing the game you are supposed to be breaking.

And okay, turning down the East was stupid. Just stupid. "He has stated a hatred for our common enemy, and requested an alliance, but you know what... he looks kinda shady, and he might be a bad man... nah I'll pass" Okay decent reasoning, but how about we remember who the known bad guy is here, you know... captain evil who brought you here for a death match? "Oh look, his ass-kick squad is here to stomp us... that alliance is sounding kinda good right about now..."

Why do you think the Allies buddied up with the Russians in WW2? Yes Stalin was a huge dick, but Hitler was a MUCH BIGGER DICK. You're in a pretty tight spot here Minato, you can't be choosy about who your allies are.