2011-02-10, 19:22 | Link #121 |
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Sides, its a story with conflict, a body count, and a poison that will destroy the world. They have no intention on being nice, holding your hand, or using kind words. thats why its concurrent with Vivid.
Winning with powers that break... Its called deconstruction, its the only choice a writer has when they nearly wrote themselves into a hole with the first two seasons. They can be killed, just lock them up and starve them to death (like either their poison kills them or malnutrition, which ever comes first) I'm amazed at this fact cause as a writer, i feel i can only write a really long engaging story by deconstructing the series. Page grab for a Savory Dish with a lolipop desert x_x ug did i just say that?
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2011-02-10, 19:28 | Link #122 |
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Right. That's tremendously in-character for the heroes and is absolutely not a tactic that wouldn't horrify and repulse them.
Look at it this way: any given Huckbein could solo Reinforce with the Book of Darkness fully active by simple virtue of being able to shrug off everything Rein can throw at them. Does that help put it in perspective a little?
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2011-02-10, 19:30 | Link #123 |
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new season, new villains? Nanoha recently could do the same
Heck rein 1 was weak, she used demonic powers and didn't destroy much of anything. Not even a crater. lazy animators hurt the plot. Even if it was in a barrier, i don't think it was like there wa snothing there to destroy. Also, was she not strong enough to break the barrier? It was faux apocalyptic. I compared the old seasons to Fisher Price warfare, this is more like toy soldiers with cotton clothing, its improving, but of course its not realistic, of course there are short cuts of course these arguments have been made before.
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2011-02-10, 19:30 | Link #124 |
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You're using the trope wrong...
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Look up Villain Sue, which is closer to what the Hucks are becoming. They haven't crossed that line just yet. And, look, it was either anti-magic abilities or go the DBZ route and make them a bunch of SS and SSS magic users who are against the Bureau. Honestly, I would have dropped Force if it went the same route that Negima and so many other shonen series have gone.
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2011-02-10, 19:35 | Link #125 |
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Yeah just upping power levels is weak writing.
Who was it that wanted more mass based weaponry and went on for pages about how much better it'd be if they used them? (not that they were right) but this series does put that into question which makes it good writing. Making the heroes question their very values or letting us see if they can still adhere to those values despite all the chaos is good writing.
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2011-02-10, 19:39 | Link #126 | |
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And they don't exactly 'shurg' things off so casually. They clearly feel pain, it's just that they can regenerate. The fact that they bother to take any sort of defensive measures (like delinking magic) shows that they're not invulnerable. If nothing could harm them, then they wouldn't care if some giant ice block was heading for their ship. But instead they tried to destroy said block of ice.
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I think it wouldn't bother me so much if the heroes had had other options to start with. Say for instance that there were more ki-users like Kyouya and Miyuki, or if the Numbers had played a larger role from the start with their IS powers, so some people would still be able to fight them normally. The way it is now the Hucks having anti-magic feels like a really ham-handed way of upping their threat index and depowering the heroes by forcing the heroes to use faulty prototype equipment. It's like the anime equivalent of Fake Difficulty in a video game, where the game is only hard because the controls suck.
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2011-02-10, 20:09 | Link #128 |
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Something you should know about Villain Sues that you're calling the Hucks...
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The Hucks have been shown to be hurt by magic attacks (Signum with Agito anyone?), so they aren't villain sues yet. After all, look at Cell and Majin Buu from DBZ... Tremendous power, practically unbeatable and able to regenerate from nearly anything. Still ended up being beaten. The Hucks are NOT shown to be more powerful than the Heroes. They HAVE, however, been shown to have a game breaker power.
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2011-02-10, 20:10 | Link #129 | |
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Just because everyone uses swords, does the introduction of enemies that use guns break the setting? Who knows, maybe there's another system out there that is the Eclipse's natural weakness. When the game is magic, anyways. But it's not like that's a mandatory game everyone has to play. It comes off as "Waaah! My power doesn't work on yours! That's cheating! Play fair and let me win!!!"
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2011-02-10, 20:16 | Link #130 | |
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Oh well, looks like Hayate's downfall sends a good chunk of the fanbase into Aki-mode xD. Lets the party begin.
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2011-02-10, 20:50 | Link #133 | |
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2011-02-10, 21:07 | Link #134 | |
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Yes, is the introductory battle and yes, thing will probably change from now on(Go Subaru xD!) but at least to this point the heroes didn't have any indicator of being to the huckebein nothing more than punchin bags.
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2011-02-10, 21:13 | Link #136 | |
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I am pretty sure that Nanoha is trying to KO Touma because his anti-magic abilities, regeneration and everything else wonŽt work while he is unconscious.
Also they are not punching bags they are not being meeleŽd to death they are being stabbed to death. Big difference. Quote:
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2011-02-10, 21:14 | Link #137 | |
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we can complain about a variety of things here but my main complain about FORCe is the pacing, it's horribly slow, things will be clarified and hate will get less time to be cultivated if only the story starting to move a little bit faster. They're cattle hanging in a freezer then xDU
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2011-02-10, 21:21 | Link #138 | ||
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Besides, given just how many spells the Book had, some of them would have to be able to affect the Hucks just by sheer logistics. Quote:
I personally think Force's artist should read Soul Eater, take some cues from its pacing. Granted, it comes out bi-monthly (last time I checked), but it has around thirty pages each time. Point is, if the pacing is going to be this slow, don't fucking waste our time with an introductory battle that goes on for this long for no point. You made your point, they're tough. Can we move on? Last edited by Justin_Brett; 2011-02-10 at 21:34. |
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This situation really isn't comparable to previous curbstomps. In past situations the worst damage that's been inflicted on a hero was Subaru or Nanoha being beaten up pretty badly. In just this opening fight Signum's been placed in critical condition, Hayate's been skewered, Nanoha's almost been killed, Vita and Erio both got their asses handed to them, everyone on the Wolfram had a heart attack via Touma, Isis got her fucking neck broken... am I forgetting anyone? Is my point made? And then the one time it looks like the heroes have the edge over the Hucks, Karen the Walking Desu Ex Machina comes in and nullifies it immediately. There's a difference between being competent and being completely fucking unstoppable. Quote:
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