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2008-04-11, 15:35 | Link #123 |
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He does care about Japan, but he cares about Nunnaly more. That's understandable as Lelouch isn't exactly a flawless hero now is he?
But he still made a consious selfish choice. He abandoned his forces (even if only in his mind for a little bit) to try to get Nunnaly and he wound up paying for his selfishness by losing both his sister and the rebellion. Had he finished the battle first and then went to get Nunnaly he might have been able to save her without interference or assuming he still couldn't get her in time, still would have recovered her sooner as he could immediately take the fight to Britannia. But he made his choice and because of that he lost everything and she's been at the mercy of Britannia for a year and probably will be for awhile. |
2008-04-11, 15:38 | Link #124 |
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^ It wouldn't have worked out if it went that way. The whole idea about that moment was that he had to choose between Love and Revenge. That was the test given to him.
Sure, things did turn out the way it did, but Lelouch is not clairvoyant and given how he had to make his mind on the spot, it was either Save Nunnaly of f*** Britannia. |
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If Lelouch can be blamed of a character failure in this situation, it wasn't impatience, it was lack of trust. If he had someone other than C.C. who he could count on to help save Nunnally, then he might have avoided being captured or even have stopped V.V. from taking Nunnally in the first place. (though then again, he put a lot of protection on her in 24 and things still fell to pieces. >_>) But otherwise, doesn't matter, it would have just been putting off the inevitable. |
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2008-04-11, 18:09 | Link #126 |
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Hehe, actually, given his age, his numbers do seem a bit low. That said, he seems to lose a great many of them, so maybe his total count is in the triple digits, and he has let nature take it down to 87 or so. Of course, on the less ridiculous side, a great many of those wives could be entirely political ties, and he has not bothered to give them meaningful attention.
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2008-04-11, 18:17 | Link #127 |
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Meh, I'm optimistic about his chances of winning, had he just gone back after Cornelia after finishing off Orange-kun with the building he'd probably have won given how Britannia worships it's royals. But he had no time, if something happened to his sister in between then or perhaps if he had won at all, since he also had to make a triumphant declaration of his victory from the Government building to the entire world afterwards, so that would have been pretty hard to hide (because it seems rather obvious that who ever did it *cough*V.V*cough* wasn't his friend and probably wasn't rooting for him to win >_>)
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2008-04-11, 19:36 | Link #128 |
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Hmm.......imagine if the directors followed Aristotle Tragic Hero requisites...
1. noble stature - check 2. not perfect - check (ego) which could possibly lead to.... 3. eventual downfall: Can be possibly seen as the transition from season 1 to season 2, where the OOBK gets royall screwed over. But he didn't lose that much... 4. Punishment (in this case, probably Lulu dying or something equally sad) : Can be debated (as in all other things..) 5. Increased awareness of faults, but too late to do anything: Again, can be possible in the future.... _______ Wahahaha, Lelouch can still be a Tragic Hero!!! But it wouldn't earn any muney....=/ |
2008-04-11, 19:45 | Link #129 |
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I'm tired of tragic heroes, why can't the guy who uses questionable methods but with noble intentions win for once? You either end up with puffed up goody twits who have to win because they're just good and it says so in the script, or you have morally conflicting protagonist that descend into darkness and eventually fall at the end. Why can't we do something different and take the second part of the former (winning) and combine it with the first part of the latter (dark, morally conflicted character)
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2008-04-11, 20:31 | Link #130 |
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Didn't Okouchi state that Lelouch was going to get a good end, even if he died? Does anyone have the translation of that?
In any case, if Lelouch does win I hope he is able to have a happy life. Or they could have him endure some more tragedies.
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2008-04-11, 20:36 | Link #133 | |
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2008-04-11, 20:38 | Link #134 | |
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Well, I say we give the boy his happy ending already, because I'm sick of them piling this stuff on top of him day after day after day when this show puts out the message of being able to overcome all that, is it such a stretch to think he can actually obtain what he seeks or is the set ways of the world unchangeable? If you accept that then you're finished the day you're born.
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2008-04-11, 20:44 | Link #135 |
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Well, if he gets a happy ending then others should as well. C.C., Suzaku maybe, and all of Area 11should get a break too.
Well, the weight of the costs is on him quite a lot. He simply chooses to keep moving forward and deal with it afterwards. I can only imagine what that will be like when this is all over.
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The day Suzaku gets a happy ending will.... okay, going to keep that bias in check until I see him in R2, but the 'present' scene with the Emperor didn't help... It comes back to Lelouch's old argument with Suzaku, about results over means, that the goals are worth or exceed the costs. If he can achieve some happy results they may outweigh the sacrifices he has made and probably will continue to make... maybe, I certainly don't want the animators telling my Suzaku was right after all >_> |
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Well, I doubt Lelouch will ever consider all the lives he took as right. He may consider the goal and costs worth it though.
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Maybe I should have rephrased that, prove Suzaku was correct or true, or whatever, but you get my point. Results are the basis of Lelouch's whole gimmick, doing the morally right thing isn't always doing the correct thing, so we shift those standards aside when making the decision of which means to use and focus on the overall end. |
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