It's... not about "other anime" it's about how I observed it's treated in Macross, you know? How it has been approached since the first series. Why else wouldn't anyone give a clear resolution to the Macross 7 triangle? After all these years... Zero had the luck that neither Sara nor Mao were super commercialized, they sang, but not in a we sell CD way. Myung wasn't a star, Sharon, on the other hand...
This is a little controversial, but I hardly consider Ranka songtress material (TV series wise, she has yet to live her own hype in this aspect), as far of unique musical range (too many covers, not enough songs on her own penmanship). Sheryl's style is more unique, IMO, in Macross world. She's certainly the one who sells more CDs too, among fans. Ranka is a bit like Mylenne, without the luck of being in a band to stand out, and a bit like Minmay (who was the first). Ngl, I think they work the best in duets.
Obviously, this movie could change my opinion about Ranka. I didn't think she was going to win the triangle. I said it in the romantic thread, the real contender for Sheryl/Alto is Sheryl the Pop Star Glam. Not Ranka Lee. That's my opinion, you can disagree, obviously!
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That's just the thing even though they weren't heavily commercialized there were songstresses in Macross that did "get the guy" so to speak. Even though Sharon Apple was heavily commercialized in Macross Plus itself, wasn't it Myung song "Voices" that we the viewers heard the most? Same thing with Sara, who was the songstress Zero, the only difference was that Zero was never heavily commercialized though it doesn't change the fact that the songstress from that series did "get the guy".
You have every right to that opinion, but unfortunately it's also true that Ranka was much more commercialized than Sheryl was during the airing of the tv series. At the end of the day whether we like it or not, she was the one with the most promotional material, when compared to Sheryl. Heck just look at the Ranka Official Book in comparison to Sheryl's much smaller Visual Collection (even though the Sheryl collection sold more). Ranka is the one that the marketing team seems to put more time, effort, and money into promoting. The in universe example is also unfair considering that Sheryl had been around much longer in series than Ranka, and so her albums selling more were a given.
The ending being Sheryl/Alto doesn't surprise me as I expected it from the tv series, I've already posted my various reasons it makes better sense. Though back on topic with the movie I kinda also expected the same conclusion out of the movie as well simply because of the set up they gave Ranka in the movies.
Give resolution to the love triangle, but left the real end open to interpretations?
I don't know what would be worse
Seems like it. Let's wait for more details about it.
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That's just the thing even though they weren't heavily commercialized there were songstresses in Macross that did "get the guy" so to speak. Even though Sharon Apple was heavily commercialized in Macross Plus itself, wasn't it Myung song "Voices" that we the viewers heard the most? Same thing with Sara, who was the songstress Zero, the only difference was that Zero was never heavily commercialized though it doesn't change the fact that the songstress from that series did "get the guy".
You have every right to that opinion, but unfortunately it's also true that Ranka was much more commercialized than Sheryl was during the airing of the tv series. At the end of the day whether we like it or not, she was the one with the most promotional material, when compared to Sheryl. Heck just look at the Ranka Official Book in comparison to Sheryl's much smaller Visual Collection (even though the Sheryl collection sold more). Ranka is the one that the marketing team seems to put more time, effort, and money into promoting. The in universe example is also unfair considering that Sheryl had been around much longer in series than Ranka, and so her albums selling more were a given.
The ending being Sheryl/Alto doesn't surprise me as I expected it from the tv series, I've already posted my various reasons it makes better sense. Though back on topic with the movie I kinda also expected the same conclusion out of the movie as well simply because of the set up they gave Ranka in the movies.
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Myung's Voices is amazing (my favorite macross song, in fact), but it's still Sharon Apple, who has no strings attached, who is the POP IDOL. Sara and Mao (who ended up being the songtress in the end) don't sell CDs with their songs and, IIRC, don't join those anniversary CD promos (Minmay singing with Basara and Mylenne, for instance, and now Ranka and Sheryl).
I don't think they promote Ranka more (now, at least, in the beginning? Unquestionable, they tried to make her more popular but Sheryl ended up overshadowing her- which is my point). They just have to make more effort to sell her stuff, while with Sheryl, they don't have to? She'll sold out whatever it is.
The Sheryl/Alto ending was obvious (a triangle in Macross involving a young woman and a young-coming-of-age girl who even looks younger than she is... in my Macross! Oh my, who will "win"? ). It's even hinthint nudgenudge in a magazine interview? All the tongue-in-check commentary that If Ranka's sending a plot message, what would Sheryl's role be? Oh, maybe she's the romantic lead...! I still maintain it boils down to Sheryl/Alto vs Sheryl's glam as single idol... and the ending from the rumored spoilers seems to deliver exactly to cover both bases.
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en el foro de mc anime se esta diciendo que este es el final :
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que alto muere..... la verdad yo me niego a creerlo... hasta verloo por q en twitter nadie a puesto algo como q alto muere .... am sheryl queda en coma y se recupera y cuida de alto .. eso fue lo q lei en otra parte ashh la verdad noc pero si alto muere voy a ver la pelicula solo para verle el final a macross.. pero ni mil declaraciones hacia sheryl podran pasar mi pena :'( )
Myung's Voices is amazing (my favorite macross song, in fact), but it's still Sharon Apple, who has no strings attached, who is the POP IDOL. Sara and Mao (who ended up being the songtress in the end) don't sell CDs with their songs and, IIRC, don't join those anniversary CD promos (Minmay singing with Basara and Mylenne, for instance, and now Ranka and Sheryl).
I don't think they promote Ranka more (now, at least, in the beginning? Unquestionable, they tried to make her more popular but Sheryl ended up overshadowing her- which is my point). They just have to make more effort to sell her stuff, while with Sheryl, they don't have to? She'll sold out whatever it is.
The Sheryl/Alto ending was obvious (a triangle in Macross involving a young woman and a young-coming-of-age girl who even looks younger than she is... in my Macross! Oh my, who will "win"? ). It's even hinthint nudgenudge in a magazine interview? All the tongue-in-check commentary that If Ranka's sending a plot message, what would Sheryl's role be? Oh, maybe she's the romantic lead...! I still maintain it boils down to Sheryl/Alto vs Sheryl's glam as single idol... and the ending from the rumored spoilers seems to deliver exactly to cover both bases.
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But that doesn't change the fact that they are all the songstresses of their series. While Sharon Apple was the image Myung was the song, besides that Sharon Apple also doesn't appear in that CD does she? I think them appearing the the CD had more to do with other reasons, and wasn't dependent on their role as being the singer of their series.
Oh trust me they did, during the original airing of Macross Frontier Ranka did have more pictures than Sheryl, who only seemed to get more pictures after they realized that she was more popular. In series though Ranka overshadowed Sheryl, but to quite a few viewers Sheryl overshadowed Ranka in terms of song, love, and characterization. Irony is funny is it not?
Yeah the love triangle was always pretty one-sided in the tv series, I mean Alto only reacts to Ranka in the tv series only once, and there's no follow up after that, Ranka pretty much just loses touch with him. I mean even the promotional material used to show Alto and Sheryl in romantic situations or poses, while Ranka was just depicted as either a person to be saved, or as the little sister. (eg: there is one picture with Alto in Ranka's room, but its far from romantic as Ranka is wearing what looks like an animal suit. In said picture Ranka was drawn younger, so much so that my friends thought that she was Alto's little sister. Said picture was one of the last promotional materials for the tv series.
But that doesn't change the fact that they are all the songstresses of their series. While Sharon Apple was the image Myung was the song, besides that Sharon Apple also doesn't appear in that CD does she? I think them appearing the the CD had more to do with other reasons, and wasn't dependent on their role as being the singer of their series.
Oh trust me they did, during the original airing of Macross Frontier Ranka did have more pictures than Sheryl, who only seemed to get more pictures after they realized that she was more popular. In series though Ranka overshadowed Sheryl, but to quite a few viewers Sheryl overshadowed Ranka in terms of song, love, and characterization. Irony is funny is it not?
Yeah the love triangle was always pretty one-sided in the tv series, I mean Alto only reacts to Ranka in the tv series only once, and there's no follow up after that, Ranka pretty much just loses touch with him. I mean even the promotional material used to show Alto and Sheryl in romantic situations or poses, while Ranka was just depicted as either a person to be saved, or as the little sister. (eg: there is one picture with Alto in Ranka's room, but its far from romantic as Ranka is wearing what looks like an animal suit. In said picture Ranka was drawn younger, so much so that my friends thought that she was Alto's little sister. Said picture was one of the last promotional materials for the tv series.
Would you mind if we move this to the romance thread? So we won't be scolded about our out of topic-ness?
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I don't think they promote Ranka more (now, at least, in the beginning? Unquestionable, they tried to make her more popular but Sheryl ended up overshadowing her- which is my point). They just have to make more effort to sell her stuff, while with Sheryl, they don't have to? She'll sold out whatever it is.
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Nah, it's quite obvious that Ranka was their (okay, the maker's) main selling focus. At first. Or rather, in TV series period. Announcement on her (or rather, NakaMegu) audition result publicated and hyped to max? Check. Ranka being the face of Macross' advertisements (this is at least at first)? Check. Her Seikan Hikou having so much impact when episode 13 first appear? Whooo, checkie. It's pretty obvious that before Sheryl's episodes really impacts us (not in 5, I'm talking about 12-14), Ranka was advertised as the "Real main girl. Got it memorized?" to the point that it tickles my funny bones a bit remembering it now. No offense on Ranka fans here, I'm just putting whatever I remembered from those days ~w~ Seriously, the only thing that advertised DC single was that emotional episode 6. Seikan Hikou got so many Kira DANCE~ going on that I wanna cry.
Nah, it's quite obvious that Ranka was their (okay, the maker's) main selling focus. At first. Or rather, in TV series period. Announcement on her (or rather, NakaMegu) audition result publicated and hyped to max? Check. Ranka being the face of Macross' advertisements (this is at least at first)? Check. Her Seikan Hikou having so much impact when episode 13 first appear? Whooo, checkie. It's pretty obvious that before Sheryl's episodes really impacts us (not in 5, I'm talking about 12-14), Ranka was advertised as the "Real main girl. Got it memorized?" to the point that it tickles my funny bones a bit remembering it now. No offense on Ranka fans here, I'm just putting whatever I remembered from those days ~w~ Seriously, the only thing that advertised DC single was that emotional episode 6. Seikan Hikou got so many Kira DANCE~ going on that I wanna cry.
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Funny that you mentioned this. 'Cause I totally was in love with Ranka since episode 1 of the TV series, because she was just so cute. And hated Sheryl very, very much, because she seemed like a b*&ch. However, when she (as in Ranka) started to become popular, I stopped liking her altogether. From episode 14 on, if I remember correctly, Sheryl just stepped up from my least favorite character to my most favorite.
I don't know why it happened. Maybe because before when I didn't like Sheryl, her celebrity reputation didn't really affect anyone around her badly, she even uses it to help others (Ranka mainly, giving her hope and advice). But with Ranka, her becoming a singer ruined Sheryl's life (ruin is a strong word to use here, but I don't know how else to call it). Not only that, Ranka kept saying that singing is her dream, but most of the time, while she sings, it looks like it always about Alto-kun, Alto-kun...and that annoyed me to no end. Sheryl, on the other hand, like the text on this movie poster 'singing is her life' and she never really mix her feelings for Alto and her love for music together.
Good thing that Ranka is a little more mature in the movie than TV series
Kawamori resolved the triangle with Alto choosing Sheryl, and then Alto goes MIA (http://twitter.com/Melodymix) = confession followed by *eternal?* separation? OUCH! >.< That really hurts kawamori! D:
So the one with the good ending is Ranka? Because she will eventually grow out of her crush for her childhood friend after accepting that Alto didn't chose her and had someone else in his heart, and find another love and eventually live on happily with that guy, while Sheryl waits for her beloved who might never come back...? But since there is 'Hope' he might appear one day, it's officially not a 'bad' ending? But when a character is declared MIA in Macross, we never see that character ever again as far as I remember! D:
Kawamori resolved the triangle with Alto choosing Sheryl, and then Alto goes MIA (http://twitter.com/Melodymix) = confession followed by *eternal?* separation? OUCH! >.< That really hurts kawamori! D:
So the one with the good ending is Ranka? Because she will eventually grow out of her crush for her childhood friend after accepting that Alto didn't chose her and had someone else in his heart, and find another love and eventually live on happily with that guy, while Sheryl waits for her beloved who might never come back...? But since there is 'Hope' he might appear one day, it's officially not a 'bad' ending? But when a character is declared MIA in Macross, we never see that character ever again as far as I remember! D:
Can we say...
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ES...ES...ESCAFLOWNEEEE...
I'm more sad Sheryl's on a coma? I would have rather switch places with Ranka.
One question: Do they still wear their earrings? Since that connected them somehow.
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So yes, the general consensus seems to be that the movie ended with a definite Alto x Sheryl pairing, although tinged with the expected factors : Someone disappearing, someone comatose, and the third party left the only one standing. Oh, why am I not surprised?
If all the spoilers of the above are true? I love it. I love it. That the only way to resolve a fiery love triangle and still have the flame burning is to overshadow it with an epic ending that will have people talking about it for years to come - this takes guts. The chances of a sugar-happy ending are very, very low, however, if all this is true, then this trade-off is more than welcomed.
So yes, the general consensus seems to be that the movie ended with a definite Alto x Sheryl pairing, although tinged with the expected factors : Someone disappearing, someone comatose, and the third party left the only one standing. Oh, why am I not surprised?
If all the spoilers of the above are true? I love it. I love it. That the only way to resolve a fiery love triangle and still have the flame burning is to overshadow it with an epic ending that will have people still talking about it for years to come - this takes guts. The chances of a sugar-happy ending are very, very low, however, if all this is true, then this trade-off is more than welcomed.
Here's crossing fingers that it's all true.
It's what I feared:
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The "winner" got a nasty shaft while the "loser" (both terms used loosely) was unscathed and continued on like in Macross Zero.
Sheryl's in a coma. Alto's MIA.
I read around blogs Ranka comments that if Alto returns, she'll wake up (or so she hopes. Aww, Ranka, you so cute). So it's a bittersweet ending.
Unfortunately for me, I'll rather have Sheryl unscathed than with Alto. Sadly, she didn't lose in love.
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I'm more sad Sheryl's on a coma? I would have rather switch places with Ranka.
One question: Do they still wear their earrings? Since that connected them somehow.
Yeah
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It's Escaflowne all over again just worse because here we apparently don't know what happened to Alto, damn.
Now the question is, Which version of the story will become canon in the Macross universe, the TV series or the movies? right now I would prefer the tv series tbh
I actually found the ending beautifully bittersweet.
A happy ending is what everyone probably expected, given the series. I say it's a nice contrast. And as cheesie mentioned, the ending will be talked about for years.
It takes guts to do what they just did. I mean, it was a huge risk.
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). It's even hinthint nudgenudge in a magazine interview? All the tongue-in-check commentary that If Ranka's sending a plot message, what would Sheryl's role be? Oh, maybe she's the romantic lead...! 
I still maintain it boils down to Sheryl/Alto vs Sheryl's glam as single idol... and the ending from the rumored spoilers seems to deliver exactly to cover both bases.
la verdad yo me niego a creerlo... hasta verloo por q en twitter nadie a puesto algo como q alto muere .... am sheryl queda en coma y se recupera y cuida de alto .. eso fue lo q lei en otra parte ashh la verdad noc pero si alto muere voy a ver la pelicula solo para verle el final a macross.. pero ni mil declaraciones hacia sheryl podran pasar mi pena :'( )
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