2011-12-14, 07:18 | Link #2201 |
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But I think it only goes so far. It may explain why Lunamaria would not hate Shinn for killing her sister, or at least why she would be able to forgive him. But it would not necessarily explain why she would all of a sudden be his girlfriend. I think, for that, it's emotional reaction and not military discipline that is the deciding factor.
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2011-12-14, 07:31 | Link #2202 |
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I personally dont think anyone was really saying that due to her ethics, discipline, skills etc.. from her occupation she fell in love with Shinn. Besides that i totally agree with you. Last edited by winter45; 2011-12-14 at 07:38. Reason: spelling |
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I think you just misunderstood Luna's character. She never talked about it openly not because she is a 'proper soldier' as you put it. but simply because she was never part of any conversation. 90% of her screen time was spent on her saying "Athrun.." or "Shinn..." Quote:
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From a viewer's point of view, it's obvious that she performance (and others) was severely downplayed really to allow the "real stars" a.k.a. Kira, Athrun, Shinn, and Rey to shine more. Quote:
Civilians like us may like to think it's so harsh, cruel, etc, but that's simply how it's done; for the good of the country itself and that's something every country has in common really. As I said, if we were to allow all our soldiers to act on their own beliefs, then the military could not properly function.
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Ill throw in my opinion.. excluding shinn and named red coates just about all other red coats are just as awfull as the green coats. I really didnt see much of a skill difference between these two classses of soldiers and for what little non named red coats we did see in combat just served more as unskilled fodder than their superior abilities as the title *elite* would suggest. |
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It's a sad thing really.
Even if they're supposed to be elite pilots, unless you're a named character that plays some sort of importance in the series, then you're just like any other grunt really. If you're named, but don't really play any big importance in the long-run (like Lunamaria, Heine, etc), then you're only slightly better than the former and able to take down grunts easily enough, but still get royally owned by more important named characters.
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2011-12-15, 13:18 | Link #2209 |
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Red shirts only you mean you graduated top in your class at ZAFT Academy. The key word there is "your class." I guess the class that Lunamaria graduated with may just had a lower than average students.
Also note that getting a red shirt doesn't mean that you're better than every green shirt soldiers or that you're an elite. And plenty of green shirt soldiers would get better simply through experience. |
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A system where your overall position determines your status instead a measured ranking of skill.. not the best method to identify ones true ability. Seems rather backwards to me.
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There is no actual rule that says someone wearing a red shirt ranks above someone wearing a green shirt. Only a white/black shirt implies some kind of status/position. But the fact that those who are given red shirts are those who graduated top of their respective classes, that shows that those people have performed better (at least academically) than those who were given green shirts. But that kind of comparison can only be applied with people who graduated in the same class, not to the entire ZAFT forces. |
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2011-12-15, 19:41 | Link #2214 |
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Ive also seen both series and my personal take is that they are pretty bad. MY opinion only but when spoiled with UC and some AU series with grunt performances i find it difficult to take zaft pilots in comparison seriously. @monster Position as in score (he came first in his pilot class even tho his score is very low) and his default status is now elite. Oppose to, you passed SAS/NAVY SEALS minimum requirement tests you are now part of the ELITE!!! Last edited by winter45; 2011-12-15 at 19:54. |
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They're not really equivalent, I think. Saying you're a member of ZAFT red is a different type of recognition than saying you're member of a special forces group. It's more like saying that you're a part of a group that is supposedly more talented than the rest as evidenced by how well you performed at the academy rather than saying that you have received specialized training.
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2011-12-15, 20:37 | Link #2218 |
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My example originally is intended to explain the difference between how one is scored based on a classroom overall ranking (first in class as example) regardless of actual results to become an elite status oppose to one must pass a minimum requirement of criteria to become elite which the real world uses. Of course this is an anime show and is not subject to use standard RL methods but I do find it backwards.
But after some thinking on how to say this, red shirts is more of a classroom top position success reward than actually a recognition of achievement on passing a minimum of high level skills requirements which is what i was trying to get at. |
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