Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Keroko

So let me get this straight... you already imported Keroko into the Macrossverse?

Well I did or will Kha/Kai was already there courtesy of Goose... I was shifting around for squadron leaders and after all the stuff with Keroko and rouge squadron I was like; eh why not? If I can't find a place to use her in Nanoha I'll hijack for for a totally different universe. Unless he did it too in a different way.

Actually, I can dance on my own traps and not have them triggered.

Well most of my trapping experience comes from FPS land mines so even then I didn’t normally step on them, but my teammates… We used to call them Minesteppers in Tribes it didn’t matter how blatantly obvious you made them or how many times you spammed “FLAG IS MINED DON’T STEP ON THE FLAG”. It was like the mines projected some sort of physic siren call and sure enough within a minute of planting them some guy would show up he’d pause near the flag, look at the mines, pause again and then run forward and blow himself up earning you a TK. Three thousand nine hundred and ninety seven of those is probably about how many I earned from trying to be a good player and defend our flag...

And to think that one of the main complaints of hardcore MMO players is that WoW caters too much to the casual...

I don't see how having round up like 80 guys to try and tackle end game content could be considered anything besides almost frighteningly hardcore...

Tesla: *while listening* And I find it rather insulting that you would think I would not expect this. Though the undercover agents were a nice warning, I'll have to thank him when we capture him.

You’re going to capture your own agents that planted all this surveillance gear? Well sure I mean don’t let me stop you!

I love them as much as I hate them, and so should you. They make kiting so much easier.

I hate them more then I love them since I tend to be there victims more then a benefactor.

You do realize that we want to read this crack, and that we wont stop poking you for it, right?

Yeah, yeah but the crack will be a bit slow in coming since it’s currently linked to how the plot of Frontier goes. I have some ideas about how relationships and such go, but until the show starts kicking into high gear a bit I’m somewhat limited into how much I can safely write. It is kind of fun to cross my fingers and see how much of the vague outline I have planned will survive though.

As it is I’ve got a 2300 word or so brief intro that sets up our launch into the main plot written. It's still rough but it can be read as a word doc here if you’re so inclined, but it has little real plot and it’s mostly just meant to serve as a cool intro fight scene for our group even if it is a bit of a curb stomp and it doesn’t show all the chars planned either.

Pfwe, even Caro was using Full Drive at the end, and she suffered no visible damage whatsoever from is usage.

When did that happen?

To be frank, as long as they're magical devices, the bureau doesn't care. Look at Teana, or Vice.

Not in the slightest I must have at least a half dozen OCs toting magic guns by this point.

Originally Posted by Kha

Darn... >.>

Well if you do change your mind...

Unlikely I acutally hadn't planned Keroko to get shipped at all so if you want shipping you'll need to look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

Ah, yes, contradictions are bad stuff. I nearly contradicted myself before.

I hate contradictions so I tend to write out manuals and such for my stuff to try and avoid them as much as I can I have tens of thousands of words of essays on the technolgoy of my crack verse for instance. Sometimes I really enjoy just writing history, backstory, and fluff more then actual fiction...

I thought they'd be hyper-functional.

You have seen harem and romantic comedy anime before haven't you?

Somehow, the formula looks like it's going to stir something BIG and INTERESTING.

Again people are giving the crap I write far too much credit.

Good, good. I might decide to steal them later.

All clever insults I come up with can be consider open source.

Revisions well made and delivered!

I'll take that as a compliment.

Actually it was just and off hand remark, but again let's go with your interpretation.

Wouldn't those that hire them be more amoral than they are? <_< Hypocrites. They hire them to do their dirty jobs but label them in the same way to masses do.

Well duh assassins can't exist without people just as amoral, but too cowardly to kill themselves there is a reason the law treats the guy that hires an assassin pretty much just as harshly as the assassin himself: It takes two to tango.

Yep, good to go, and I'll just get ready for any major changes, in any case.

I doubt there will be though since that would require effort and I'm a very lazy guy.

We'd patiently wait, then.

You'll be waiting a long time I think.

... Bastard.

What?! I never thought it's conceivable!

Okay I admit that I have no real idea what exactly you're trying to say here?

Insane driver with insane luck sounds like a bad combination ... for the opponent.

And anyone in the car with her, her luck only seems to partially transfer to passengers...

There will be no doubt in this.

*TK now feels like he'll have to work hard to make the entrance suitably awesome...* Luckily I've got time to think about it; allot of time.

Why do I have a bad feeling about this?

Well it's not that bad it's just that if they spend long periods around people they stop trying to hide the rougher aspects of there personalities.

Ah, doing odd jobs certainly give you many advantages most won't find otherwise.

I'm still not sure whether that one's a joke or true I shall leave it ambiguous, but it is true that all three of the Mercenary trio have worked some rather odd jobs over the years in the purist of making a decent living many of them more embarrassing then dangerous.

I do have a sneaky suspicion that the compensation won't be enough to cover for his works. Maybe Irene should ...

*flees*

Random Shadowy Figure: Could he know my lord?!

Senior Random Shadowy Figure: Hmm we'll need to watch him if he shows any suspicions movements... you know what to do.

Random Shadowy Figure: Of course leave it to me!

Interesting. Maybe I should go do a more thorough search to find out more things that relate ...

You won't find much at best you'll find maybe one or two aspects of myself in any one char (maybe slightly more in Felix).

Battle scenes. Major headaches.

Yeah large team battle scenes even more so and since pretty much every battle in my entire fic revolves around large team battles...

Now, Pixy's scaring me even more ...

I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but the old Pixy was NOT a nice person at all...

Ouch!

But, now you are making them, in good amounts too ...

Well a team of 20+ male OCs would have started to look a tad sexist the other way...

White knight to the rescue?

Not exactly...

Spoiler for No Mercy:

“God you suck its 50 meters away how can you not hit it?!” Felix cursed as he watched several more shots fly wide to the left, right, and above the holographic silhouette about fifty meters down the shooting range.

“It’s moving around to much!” Rebecca complained though not a complainer by nature even she had to limits and she’d passed them sometime about an hour ago…

“Of course it’s moving around or do you think the enemy is going to stand still so you can shot them?!” Felix countered in disgust.

“We’ve been out here four hours as it’s miserable out and it’s getting dark!” She whined again referring to the rain pouring down around them. “Can’t we just call it a day?”

Felix rolled his eyes yeah it was raining but they we’re in a covered stall no she was just making excuses… “Yeah I guess we can quit for the day.” He seemed to concede. “Long as you don’t mind not eating until tomorrow.” He added off hand.

“But that’s?! You can’t do that!”

“Yes I can I was given wide latitude in my training methods… Besides if you want to eat all you need to do is hit the damn target once and you can stop, but you’re ass better hurry because it’s gonna get a whole lot harder once it gets dark!”

“You’re mean!” Rebecca informed him indignantly like it was a brutal insult.

“Wow it took you this long to figure that out?” He regarded her with a raised eyebrow as the insult utterly backfired. “Now chop, chop no hits no dinner!”

Felix is like Nanoha only meaner and with far less compassion for those under him, but he’s mean because he cares; probably…

By the way, progress will be going slow for me, partly because PS2 just arrived and the massive amounts of games (around 13 RPGs) that I need to keep up with will eat away most of the time. On the other hand, they will probably serve as good inspirations (a number of them already formed up ), so I'll try to update whenever I can.

Well I'm distracted by raging crack so don't expect a ton from me either chap 3 is currently stalled out at about 12k words.

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

I'm still waiting for the magical chaingun.

Way ahead of you...

Spoiler for Size:

Behold one of my planed OCs and as a bonus some video of his inspiration in action.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

He’s the first ace of this generation, being several years older than the Aces and having been in the bureau for a while before they showed up.

But how is he linked with them as Aces then? If he was before their time, he'd be in a seperate category of Aces. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, but to have several years between them and still have him marked as one of their group (suggesting he worked along side them in their rise to fame, while he didn't) seems odd.

Originally Posted by Kha

Give about a year, and we should be able to start landing on Northrend to attempt any remote form of defrosting, if WotLK isn't vaporwared again.

Vaporwared?

Though if WAR manages to hit a good spot with me and my friends, the chances of getting to Northrend become smaller.

Originally Posted by Kha

Your WoWfu is not enough!

First, search for and copy a file called "realmlist.wtf" to a safe location, then use a text editor to open the one at the original location.

Second, change the contents to:

set realmlist us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com
set patchlist us.version.worldofwarcraft.com

Don't forget to save.

Now boot up WoW, and welcome to the US servers. And you can switch back to EU servers by switching .WTF files. I can do the same to play on EU servers, but haven't done that before as I don't know what's in the WTFs there.

You might need to create an account on the US servers using ur CD key but now I'd like to experiment if I can get into an EU server. Mind telling me what you find in your "realmlist.wtf"?

set realmlist eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com
set patchlist eu.version.worldofwarcraft.com

Like you said. Though its more of a level and friend issue for me.

Originally Posted by Kha

Even though most people exist in multiple dimensions, somehow Keroko have gained their interest, possibly because unlike most people she is one of the select few who are often involved in time-shaping events that the Naaru influence through their Cleric?

Keroko is a 'skifter', though they are also known as 'dimension travelers' 'eternal warriors' 'world shifters' or whatever term the particular world has for them, if any. Skifters are a natural defence mechanism of the multiverse whenever an inbalance appears. Skifters are send to fix that inbalance, be it through good or evil. Whenever a skifter dies, they are send to the next world.

Okay, so this is not always true, its an excuse I sometimes use to explain to the other members of the world why Keroko has powers that shouldn't appear in that world (if she has them) the discovery of Nanoha gave me a new excuse, which I happilly abuse when inserting Keroko into the Negima storyline.

Originally Posted by Kha

How many Keroko's are gonna appear in my Angelic Layer fic, I wonder? Because I've cheekily written it from 3 perspectives, Angelic Layer, FMP AND Nanoha, that's 3 Keroko's heading into a time-space destroying collision!

O_o If you're importing the FMP Keroko, then I hope you are looking for some fights, because like I said, she is war-hungry. To keep a long story short: She is the direct oposite of a whispered, she has no knowledge of black technology, but her physical capabillities are through the roof. Unfortunately that comes with an insatiable hunger to use that power, but since she is somewhat willing to listen to Tessa and Mao (because they're woman in command) Mithrill manages to guide her physical ferocity for a good cause.

Originally Posted by Kha

Wait... Maybe that's why the Cleric exists there, to prevent this collision?

ARGH THE KHRAAACK!!!!!!

Let's hope one of them is a diplomat then.

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Chrono said that the last time the Bureau dealt with the BoD was 11 years ago in A's ep10. And that was definitely when it led to the Hestia's destruction, because he accuses Graham of searching for the BoD's next incarnation since then. If the Hestia's destruction had occurred a few years later (like say, the BoD was captured 11 years ago, but the Hestia's incident happened later) Chrono would have stated a smaller number. Because Graham would have no reason to look for the BoD's next incarnation until its current one was destroyed.

It did have 2 years before Hayate's birth to look around. Hayate also said in A's ep6 that the BoD had been on her bookshelf for as long as she could remember. So she was really young when it showed up, whether it had been with her since birth or not.

Update. Signum says the BoD had been with Hayate since birth in A's ep 6.

Touché and touché. That's what I get for trying to go by without using Silver Retriever.

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

Was his more like a blast or something? *remembers he never finished StrikerS*

Go. Finish. Now. DVD encodes are waiting.

Anyway, his was pretty much the same, a huge boost in stats.

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

I'm still waiting for the magical chaingun.

So is Nanoha:

Originally Posted by Comartemis

This, however, I have trouble believing.

The Bureau has displayed extensive knowledge of the Tome's inner workings, most likely due to a combination of research and intelligence gained from previous awakenings. Chrono displays knowledge of the origins of the Wolkenritter, accurately describing the Guardian Knight system, and the TSAB actually knows more about the Tome's history than the Wolks themselves do. The latter could be learned either through first-hand experience or through a trip to the Infinity Library, but knowledge of the former would require an in-depth examination of the Tome's contents and systems, which would in all likelihood reveal the presence of Reinforce and the corrupted defense program.

Further, Gil and the Lieze twins display an even more thorough knowledge of the Tome's systems when they essentially mind-rape Hayate and send her plunging into despair. The twins seemed to know exactly what to do to force the Book's awakening, not only subjecting Hayate to psychological torture through the erasure of Vita right in front of her, but also taking the forms of the only two people who could possibly have talked her down from using the Book, thus ensuring that Reinforce's wrath would be focused on the only two people left who could possibly get through to Hayate in her transformed state.

This sounds okay.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

With this in mind, from my perspective Gil has far too much information to not know that Hayate could be saved, yet not only does he not even try to save her, he and his familiars utilize brutal tactics to ensure that everything plays out exactly as he wants it to, right up until the point where Chrono unmasked the twins. Durandal was most likely a contingency plan in case things went awry, which they did.

Gil never had any intention of "sealing Hayate away"; he most likely wanted the Book's power for himself. The only questions are how would he get it once the Book was awake, and what did he ultimately intend to do with that power.

.... This doesn't. Cort, they already tried to capture the book, and they ended up with loss of lives and a destroyed ship , and every single time the book would return. Even Yuuno after all his research says its impossible for the books program to be altered before completion, and after completion it'll use all itspower for indiscriminate destruction.

Gil's plans were as they were displayed in the anime, complete the book and seal it away using Eternal Coffin. What puzzles me most is where you got the idea of him wanting to use the book for himself.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Well I did or will Kha/Kai was already there courtesy of Goose... I was shifting around for squadron leaders and after all the stuff with Keroko and rouge squadron I was like; eh why not? If I can't find a place to use her in Nanoha I'll hijack for for a totally different universe. Unless he did it too in a different way.

Rogue Squadron, Tk. Rogue Squadron.

Rouge is a makeup.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Well most of my trapping experience comes from FPS land mines so even then I didn’t normally step on them, but my teammates… We used to call them Minesteppers in Tribes it didn’t matter how blatantly obvious you made them or how many times you spammed “FLAG IS MINED DON’T STEP ON THE FLAG”. It was like the mines projected some sort of physic siren call and sure enough within a minute of planting them some guy would show up he’d pause near the flag, look at the mines, pause again and then run forward and blow himself up earning you a TK. Three thousand nine hundred and ninety seven of those is probably about how many I earned from trying to be a good player and defend our flag...

I remember this one level in Medal of Honor way back when, where I was waving through a minefield getting to the end. I was one step away, and then-

*click*

"Shit."

BOOM.

That's the most annoying part about those mines in my opinion. You hae just enough time to realize you're about to die and grumble about it before you blow sky-high.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

I don't see how having round up like 80 guys to try and tackle end game content could be considered anything besides almost frighteningly hardcore...

Because its not 80. Its 25. And with the new expansion, they're going to lower it to 10, which is less then most shooters fill their servers with these days.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

You’re going to capture your own agents that planted all this surveillance gear? Well sure I mean don’t let me stop you!

Tesla: *shakes head at the one-way com* You just keep thinking that. Meanwhile I have already ordered the compromised men to evacuate. They should be safely back home by now.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

When did that happen?

Episode 26, 08:32

[NorthernFallout]

AtomicoX's OC Profile List

For timeline explanations refer too: http://ocnano.wikidot.com/atomicox-s...tales-and-fotr

Marksman Tales OC's

Spoiler for Vic:

Profile

Name: Vic "Silence" Johansen
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Hair color: Blonde
Eye color: Blue
Height: 180 cm
Weight: 85 kg
Affiliation: TSAB, disbanded mercenary organization “Liberty”
Department: Intelligence
Military rank: Sergeant
Mage rank: AA
Call sign: Insurgent 1

History

Not much is known about Vic. It's said he's a survivor from an unknown war 30 years ago where his city was destroyed.
From there on, he trained everyday with a rifle to defend himself and in time he became a expert in marksmanship.
He was eventually picked up by a roaming mercenary group, called “Liberty”, consisting of survivors from the war. They continued his training, considering him a valued member of the group.

After several years they got in contact with TSAB, wanting aid in some kind of battle. The group responded and helped TSAB.
Afterwards, they were offered permament positions in TSAB, ranging from desk work to field trainers.
Vic was chosen into the Intelligence department, where they used his skills and knowledge to infiltrate and provide information.
To this day he's still working there, occasionally being called out for special missions.

Personality

Vic is one of those who just love to help people, whether it be in combat or on his free-time. He is kind, calm and collected, always thinking before acting. When not in battle he enjoys reading books, fishing or some other calm activity. He also enjoys astronomy, often staying up late to watch the stars.
He sometimes brings Vivio with him during his astronomy watching.

Though he might seem very shy, that isn't usually the case. In a conversation, he doesn't say more than is asked of him, making him quiet until someone asks him or inquire something. This has given him the nickname "Silence", by his friends.

Trivia

He has worked together with Captain Nanoha Takamachi and Investigator Fate T. Harlaown in several missions, providing fire support.
He is also good friends with them and is often seen playing around with Vivio, much to her delight. Investigator Fate T. Harlaown is also his superior.

His two closest friends are from his days as a mercenary: Adrian Macmillan and Takumaru "Doc" Ikita. They did numerous of missions together and can be seen having conversations now and then.

The reason Vic is only rank AA, is because of his limited combat use. Not every combat situation involves long range fighting, therefore making his combat abilities rarely needed.

Combat role

In combat, Vic is considered to be kind of special. At the same time as he's mostly used for intelligence gathering and spy activities, he's also considered a special type of assassin. Since he's a long range fighter, he chooses his targets while they are fighting against the other mages, providing clear shots at officers due to the confusion the battle provides.
He usually operates solo during spy activities but also sometimes during combat if a specific target needs to be taken down. He also has a reputation of only requiring one shot for each target.

Barrier Jacket

Consists of a camouflaged military vest, skin gloves, camouflaged military pants and military boots. With little armor, this simple and light design focuses on heightening Vics agility considerably, enabling him to run fast and dodge with ease.

Device

-Device Name-

Barret


Barret has the shape and function of a very small telescope when not in combat. It's an extreme long range shooting type of device, nothing can stand against it when it comes to power of range.
It has a cartridge system on the upside of the barrel but it's only capable of being reloaded one by one. He refers to Vic as "Sergeant".

-Device Type-

Shooting type

-Device Mode-

Kurzwaffe Mode (Handgun mode): A type of defensive mode. Only usable at close range, this mode is for when discovered or captured, enabling Vic to defend himself. Has the form of a handgun armored with silver plates all around to form shields around the hands holding it.

Scharfschütze Mode (Sniper mode): Considered a standard mode by both Barret and Vic, this mode is for medium to long range. Taking the form of a bigger version of the non-combat mode, it also has 2 extra telescopes on the sides serving as magnifications.

Hyperion Scharfschütze Mode (Hyper Sniper mode): This mode is only usable and most effective at extreme range, to the limit that the target can't be seen. It's similar to the Sniper mode with the exception of a longer barrel, 1 extra telescope and small optical glasses hovering around the barrel adding power and accuracy.

Combat style

Calm and collected, Vic picks his targets with care and patience. If given a target, he will do his best to take it down fast, before the target knows what's happening.

Since he is a long range fighter, he prefers being in the air, several kilometers from the battlefield but he doesn't mind being on the ground either since he gets extra support for Barret, increasing accuracy.
Depending on the range to his target, the shots varies between being impossibly accurate or having enough power to penetrate the target and
be usable again directly after.



Spells

Compared to other mages, Vic doesn't have a lot of spells due to his long range fighting capability. However, the spells he does have is very powerful and specialized.

-Defense-

Guardian: A pretty standard shield spell, capable of blocking most attacks.

Stealth: A very unusual spell, only known to Vic. If in danger of being captured or discovered he can activate this to achieve invisibility for a limited amount of time enabling him to hide or escape.
However, attacking or moving too fast makes Stealth break.


-Offensive-

Scharfschütze Shot (Sniper Shot): Easily recognizable due to it's shape, this spell produces small sticks which shoots out of Barret at incredible speed. At the same time as being a controllable shot (linking Vics mind to the shot), it also has enough power to penetrate its target and be usable directly after, enabling it to produce hit after hit until the shot is destroyed or Vic loses control of it.
It is possible to have multiple shots in the air at the same time but since all shots have to be controlled individually, it's almost impossible to handle more than 3 shots.

This shot is also lacking in accuracy, only depending on Vics ability to decide it's trajectory.

Scharfschütze Tracker (Sniper Tracker): A very unique spell. When Vic has decided his target he often uses this to make the target a different color than the rest, increasing its visibility.
This is not visible to anyone except him.

Hyperion Shot: In contrast to Sniper Shot, this spell has almost perfect accuracy instead of power. It is, in short terms, very hard to avoid, though it can be blocked easily. All the shots produced by this spell is manually locked to a target and it then chases the target until the shot hits.
Since it's lacking in power, it's best to fire one shot after another to hit the target several times.
It has the same shape as Sniper Shot but it's max range is unknown and its speed make it almost impossible to see. It has been known to fire from extremely long range.

Hyperion Scharfschütze Shot (Hyperion Sniper Shot): An extremely powerful and risky spell.
This combines the power and accuracy of the 2 spells, forming an insanely powerful and accurate shot, very hard to either avoid or block.
But this kind of attack comes with a price. It consumes all the energy of both Vic and Barret, making them both unable to move after the attack, for several hours.

Spoiler for Doc:

Profile

Name: Takumaru "Doc" Ikita
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Hair color: Black
Eye color: Green
Height: 173 cm
Weight: 69 kg
Affiliation: TSAB, disbanded mercenary organization “Liberty”
Department: Medical
Military rank: Private
Mage rank: C+
Call sign: Medic 5

History

Takamaru Ikita is one of the founders of the organization “Liberty”. During the war, he helped people through hard times with the help of his team and saved hundreds of victims. He was also the one who decided to recruit Vic and Macmillan to the organization.

Within a couple of years he got in contact with TSAB, who were requesting aid for some mages of theirs. “Liberty” arrived at the scene and tended to the injured mages and afterwards got offered positions in TSAB. Most of them accepted this offer and to Ikita this meant a high responsibility job at the local hospital and Medical department, much to his liking.

Personality

Kind and warmhearted, he is similar to Vic in terms of kindness. He usually helps out in the hospital as much as he can since he wants to help people and heal their injuries. He has also proven to be a good psychologist, thanks to his ability to make people feel at ease and tell him what’s on their mind.
In battle he often rushes to the injured as fast as he can to help. If he is too late or the injuries are too hard for him, he usually gets depressed and blames himself for what happens afterwards. This has lead to difficult situations were he isn’t able to heal properly and that just adds to the problem.

Trivia

His superior is Shamal, a Wolkenritter, too whom he is very loyal. They often work together at the hospital and on missions, supporting each other.

His two closest friends are from his days as a mercenary: Adrian Macmillan and Vic "Silence" Johansen. They’ve done numerous of missions together and can be seen having conversations now and then.

Combat role

Support. While keeping his distance in battle, he waits for orders. If someone is injured, he heals them as quickly as he can and if the injuries are too grave he teleports away from the battlefield with the injured and places him at the nearest medic team. He then returns to the battle waiting for further instructions. He is not allowed to engage in battle, only to provide support.

Barrier Jacket

White coat stopping just above his shoes. White pants, black armored shoes and fingerless gloves for increased surgical precision.

Device

-Device Name-

Divine

Divine is shaped as a small bracelet, silver-colored with rectangular shapes on the surface. It has no cartridge system as it’s only for support. She refers to Ikita as “Doctor”.

-Device Type-

Support type

-Device Mode-

Active Mode: Only difference between inactive and active is that the rectangular shapes changes color from silver to blue. Active mode is used in almost every combat situation with the exception of highly dangerous or important missions.

Divine Mode: This is Divines special mode. Whenever the situation turns really bad or the mission is of the highest importance, this mode activates. It produces dual bracelets, worn on Ikitas both wrists and the rectangular shapes are bigger and shines bright red. It also increases Divines processing and healing abilities, providing extra mana and healing to Ikita.

Combat style

Since Ikita isn’t a fighter he doesn’t have a combat style. He has actually never been seen in combat and he dislikes it himself.

Spells

Ikita only has support spells and no kind of defensive or offensive spell.

-Support-

Teleport: Teleports himself within a range of his mana capabilities.

Mass Teleport: Teleports everyone around him to a pre-destined location. Only works if the location has been ordered beforehand.

Heal: Basic healing. Replenishes some energy to the target and heals light wounds.

Major Heal: A more powerful spell than Heal. Same function, only more powerful.

Divine Helper: A spell only usable in Divine Mode. Produces 2 copies of Ikita, linking their mana and healing capacity to him, increasing his mana and healing dramatically.

Spoiler for Macmillan:

Profile

Name: Adrian Macmillan
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Hair color: Red
Eye color: Black
Height: 185 cm
Weight: 90 kg
Affiliation: TSAB, disbanded mercenary organization “Liberty”
Department: Training
Military rank: Tactical Instructor
Mage rank: A
Call sign: Defender 1

History

Adrian Macmillan was picked up by “Liberty” at the age of 7. His family had been killed by a murderer going by the name “Slice”. Therefore, he trained hard everyday for the next years so he would be prepared the next time he met this man again.

Some years afterwards, after providing backup to two mages, he got the opportunity to join TSAB, as a Tactical Instructor. He accepted the offer and is currently working in the Training department.

His goal, which he hasn’t told anyone except Vic and Doc, is to kill “Slice”. If the TSAB would find out about this he would get in trouble.

Personality

Macmillan is one you would consider hardworking and honest. He always does his best to satisfy his superiors and he is known for disobeying orders just to get the job done.
In general, he is protective and cares about those closest to him. Similar to Vic, he also likes to take it easy during his free-time often seen reading or writing.

Trivia

Being who he is, Macmillan looks up to his superior which is Captain Nanoha Takamachi. He is often her aide during training and also sometimes participates in mock battles against the trainees.
He is rarely called out to missions but when he is, casualties are held to a minimum.

His two closest friends are from his days as a mercenary: Vic "Silence" Johansen and Takumaru "Doc" Ikita. They’ve done numerous of missions together and can be seen having conversations now and then.


Combat role

Defense mixed with offense. Macmillan is known for his defensive abilities and his superiors aren’t late to put them to good use. His role is to protect his fellow mages from any kind of attacks while they prepare their long-range attacks. He is also sometimes used at the frontlines as a shield for the mages upfront.

Barrier Jacket

Full body armor with reflecting armor plates capable of blocking magic and strikes with ease. Similar to old knight armor just a little smaller, much lighter and futuristic. Colored in black.

Device

-Device Name-

Vanguard

Takes the shape of a small necklace with a small shield attached to it. Red and gold colored. Has a cartridge system capable of loading two cartridges at the same time providing more power than usual. He refers to Macmillan as “Sir”.

-Device Type-

Support type

-Device Mode-

Guardian Mode: The necklace expands and forms a metallic pole with a shield in the middle where the grips are. Provides big defense with the shield and some offensive power with the pole.

Protection Mode: A stronger version of Guardian Mode. Expands the shield, covering a larger area.

Bubble Mode: A very special mode, this increases the size of the shield to cover a large area in a bubble, protecting it from nearly all types of damage. No offensive action can be done in this mode.

Combat style

Usually in a defensive stance, shield at the ready, waiting for an attack. If the attack is blocked he moves fast forward and hits his target with the pole. There isn’t much of diversity in this style so offensive is not a strength for Macmillan.

Spells


-Offensive-

Since Macmillan is much more focused on defense, his offensive spells are lacking.

Vanguard Spinner: The pole attached to the shield spins around at high speed, creating a massive wind, blowing opponents out of the way.

Vanguard Smasher: Macmillan transfers magic to the shield and smashes the target with it, making the target fly backwards several meters.

-Defensive-

Vanbarrier: A barrier forms around Macmillan providing excellent defense against attacks from all sides. Weaker than Vanshield.

Vanshield: Stronger than Vanbarrier but can only defend in one direction.

Vanbubble: A special spell only usable in Bubble Mode. In addition to the Bubble Modes huge shield, this adds an outer layer of magic protection around the bubble. This is considered one of the best defensive spell as it can absorb huge amounts of damage from all directions before breaking. The only negative side to this is that those inside the shield cannot move and that it drains huge amounts of mana from the caster.

Spoiler for SaE Organisation Pofile:

SaE

Profile

History: Unknown.

Location: Unknown.

Leadership: All that is known about SaE’s leaders is their codenames: Sparrow and Eagle (Profile for these two are currently unavaible due to lack of data)

Goal: Unknown. Probably the elimination of all TSAB forces.

Trivia: The SaE organization revolves around using mechs and drones to accomplish their goals. The two leaders are rarely seen and are thought to control their mechanical army from their flying HQ.

Mechs/Drones: 4 different types of mechs/drones has been created by SaE so far:

Type 1 “Fighter”: Small, light and agile. These little machines are designed as close-combat specialists and fights with their two legs with a kind of martial arts style. One block for a head with sockets for cameras and both legs are attached to it, making it look like a box on legs.
They cannot take much damage, but packs a punch and can dodge very fast.

Statistics:

Height: 1 meter

Weight: 100 kg

Powersource: Unknown, might be electric.

Capability: Can operate in heat and rain, but its movement is highly decreased in cold or
snow, making it very vulnerable (This is the same for both Type 1 and 2)

Speed: Faster than a human, probably around 20 km/h

Weapons: Uses its legs to attack by kicking.


Type 2 “Mammoth”: Massive long-range mech. These behemoths are huge compared to a human and looks like a blob on 2 legs. On the top, 2 big pipes stick out, serving as artillery cannons. The calibres of the shells are known to be 155 mm, similar to a Howitzer. The firing rate is slow but it is capable of firing 2 shots at the same time. When it prepares to fire, its legs punch into the ground and stabilize the mech. It is always used when attacking stationary targets.

The “Mammoth” does not have any kind of defense, but are always protected by at least 10 “Fighters”.


Statistics:

Height: 6 meter

Weight: 6 ton

Powersource: Power cells.

Capability: See Type 1.

Speed: Very slow, walking speed.

Weapons: 2 artillery cannons with 155 mm non-explosive shells.


Type 3 “Buzzer”: These are the flying equivalents of the “Fighter”. Very small, agile and easily destroyed but very dangerous. They are equipped with several small phasors around its round body. It looks like a thick plate and has small wings that makes a buzzing sound, thereof its name.

Statistics:

Height: 25 centimetres.

Width: 50 centimetres.

Weight: 40 kg.

Powersource: Unknown.

Capability: Completely inoperable in cold weather, due to ice on the wings making it unable to move.

Speed: Very fast. Around 100 km/h

Weapons: 4 phasors is mounted around the plate, making it capable of hitting everything 360 degrees around it.


Type 4 “Cyclone”: Very rare flying machines, only 2 exist. The TSAB thinks they are used to host all the other mechs and drones and that it also serves as HQ for SaE.
It has unknown weaponry but is thought to have air-to-land artillery and anti-air defense. Its size is huge and its armor is extremely resilient, capable of sustaining massive damage.

It is not able to land and if it runs out of fuel it’s simply going to crash so to keep it running the smaller drones gathers fuel from where they can find it and retrieves it.

Has the appearance of a B2 Stealth Bomber but is much bulkier.

Statistics:

Width (wingtip-to-wingtip): 100 meters.

Height: 20 meters.

Length: 60 meters.

Weight (Fully loaded): 300 ton

Propulsion: Unknown, but most likely jet engines.

Capability: Can handle all weather types.

Cruising Speed: 900 km/h

Max Speed: 1300 km/h

Range (On one fuel tank, cruising speed): 10000 km

Weapons (In theory): One 200 mm artillery cannon, can only fire on land. Dozens of anti-air lasers may be scattered around the ship.
New data incoming:
A picture has been forwarded to the TSAB and it is the craft mentioned

Spoiler for Picture:

Fate of the Reapers (FotR) OC's

Spoiler for Reapers Organisation Profile:

The Reapers

Profile

(This information is taken from records contained together with Lost Logia or simply found in ruins.)

History: It exist a lot of theories of where the Reapers came from but noone knows exactly.

One of the most believable theories is that they were created by the people of Al Hazard, a very long time ago. As the artificial beings they are they were easily controlled, to a start. But something happened that made them turn on their creators. It is unknown what turned them, but after Al Hazard got destroyed the Reapers fled the world and roamed on other worlds for several centuries. They have since then not been seen.

Technology: They make use of Lost Logia they have retrieved from their travels over worlds and have the ability to create hyper-advanced weaponry, armor, medical machines and other similar things from it.

They also seem capable of converting other races to a Reaper with advanced transformation magic and technology. The subject retains it form but its mind gets changed into that of a Reaper and can impossibly be turned back, if they don’t use the same method as the Reapers used. The process is unknown.
This is however very rare as the Reapers only convert them they see as worthy and if they are not dead.

Goal: The Reaper’s goal is unknown, but they seem to be dragged to Lost Logia when it’s being used creating highly dangerous situations where Reapers come from nowhere, crush
their enemies and take the Lost Logia.

Society: The Reapers don’t have a leader and they all look the same. It seems like they are part of a big network, synchronising their thoughts with each other but are still able to make their own decisions. They are highly intelligent and that’s one of the reasons they don’t need a leader.

Physiology: A Reaper is, in a sense, incapable of dying from age since they can live far longer than any other living organism. This is however if they find Lost Logia to improve their technology with. Their artificial bodies must be continuously repaired and replaced, which make them easier to be killed.
This is why they often send out their most newly repaired brethren into battle, since they have the most combat ability and can sustain huge amounts of damage.
It is believed it exists a few thousands Reapers, but only less than half can actually go to battle. The rest don’t have the resources to be repaired and is used for other priorities instead.

How a Reaper looks like is largely unknown, since those who have seen one usually gets killed. Of the few sightings gathered only a small percentage makes sense: Higher than a human and very muscular. Has a black coat as a type of thin armor, covering the body including the head.

This image is based on those sightings:

Spoiler for Apperance:

(Credit goes to Evil_Rick for creating this awesome Reapers image)

Combat style and weapons: A Reaper fight as a brute. Since they can take huge damage before going down, they don’t care to dodge (This is also a weakness). They just swing their weapons and hit the opponent.

A Reaper does not know any type of magic and relies only on traditional melee and/or ranged weaponry.

Their melee weapons have 2 forms and one function: close-range combat.

“Slasher” form: Shaped like a scythe, similar to Fate’s “Bardiche”. One of the reasons they are called “Reapers”. They swing these as any traditional scythe, slashing around them trying to cut the enemy down.

“Hammering” form: A rarely seen weapon, this one is shaped as a big hammer, which are simply used for smashing. It’s usually used at attacking stationary targets (bases, stations etc.)

The Reapers have long-range weapons but since noone has managed to get close to a location with those types of warrior, how they look like is unknown. All known about the weapon is that it fires some type of energy bolt.

If you find balance issues or the like, don't hesitate to PM me.

[Comartemis]

.... This doesn't. Cort, they already tried to capture the book, and they ended up with loss of lives and a destroyed ship , and every single time the book would return. Even Yuuno after all his research says its impossible for the books program to be altered before completion, and after completion it'll use all itspower for indiscriminate destruction.

Magnificent Bastards don't always follow logical or sane trains of thought, Kero. "We'll use what we learned last time to neutralize the book this time, even if we run the risk of wiping out an entire dimension."

Gil's plans were as they were displayed in the anime, complete the book and seal it away using Eternal Coffin. What puzzles me most is where you got the idea of him wanting to use the book for himself.

First, Kero, explain to me why Gil didn't approach Hayate as soon as he knew she had the book.

We don't know anything about the book's previous meisters save for the fact that the Wolks vaguely recall that Hayate treats them unlike any of their previous masters. With this in mind, it's highly likely that every master of the Tome prior to Hayate tried to complete it using the Wolkenritter to gather power from LCs. This time, however, the bureau has the opportunity to gain the cooperation of the book's meister and possibly debug it (keep in mind that the bureau doesn't know the book can't be debugged prior to activation). So long as there was a 1% chance of saving Hayate--and obviously there was--any good honest man would do everything in his power to save her.

But what does Gil do? "Oh well, poor girl's picked up the Tome, too bad for her. We'll just ignore all chances of gaining her cooperation and fixing the damn thing and sentence her to an eternal Deep Freeze once she hits 11 or so. But hey, at least she'll be happy with her new family for the one pathetic year she has left before we mind-rape her and stick her in the fridge!"

How anybody in the entire fandom could possibly mistake Gil for one of the good guys is entirely beyond me. And of course the Tome is too tempting a target for the real Big Bad of the season to keep his hands off, so of course Gil's trying to claim its' power for himself. He's just smart enough to have a convincing cover story ready when Chrono busts his operation, then gets the mages to clean up his own mess for him while he retires in comfort instead of being executed like he should have been.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Ok, this is the first time I've written something like this and I even don't know if I've done it right or not.
Also, since english isn't my native language there is a big possibility for grammatical errors. Please bear with me.
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Spoiler for Character:

Name: Vic "Silence" Johansen
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Hair color: Blonde
Eye color: Blue
Height: 180 cm
Weight: 90 kg
Affiliation: TSAB, disbanded mercenary organization
Department: Intelligence
Military rank: Sergeant
Mage rank: AA
Call sign: Insurgent 1

History

Not much is known about Vic. It's said he's a survivor from an unknown war 30 years ago where his city was destroyed.
From there on, he trained everyday with a rifle to defend himself and in time he became a expert in marksmanship.
He was eventually picked up by a roaming mercenary group, consisting of survivors from the war. They continued his training,
considering him a valued member of the group.

After several years they got in contact with TSAB, wanting aid in some kind of battle. The group responded and helped TSAB.
Afterwards, they were offered permament positions in TSAB, ranging from desk work to field trainers. Vic was chosen into
the Intelligence department, where they used his skills and knowledge to infiltrate and provide information. To this day he's
still working there, occasionally being called out for special missions.

Personality

ViC is one of those who just loves to help people, wether it be in combat or on his free-time. He is kind, calm and
collected, always thinking before acting. When not in battle he enjoys reading books, fishing or some other calm
activivty. He also enjoys astronomy, often staying up late to watch the stars. He sometimes brings Vivio with him during his
astronomy watchings.

Though he might seem very shy, that isn't usually the case. In a conversation, he doesn't say more than is
asked of him, making him quiet until somemone asks him or inquire something. This has given him the nickname "Silence",
by his friends.

Trivia

He has worked together with Captain Nanoha Takamachi and Investigator Fate T. Harlaown in several missions, providing fire support.
He is also good friends with them and is often seen playing around with Vivio, much to her delight. Investigator Fate T. Harlaown is
also his superior.

The reason Vic is only rank AA, is because of his limited combat use. Not every combat situation involves long
range fighting, therefore making his combat abilities rarely needed.

Combat role

In combat, Vic is considered to be kind of special. At the same time as he's mostly used for intelligence
gathering and spy activities, he's also considered a special type of assassin. Since he's a long range fighter,
he chooses his targets while they are fighting against the other mages, providing clear shots at officers due to the
confusion the battle provides.
He usually operates solo during spy activities but also sometimes during combat if a specific target needs to be
taken down. He also has a reputation of only requiring one shot for each target.

Barrier Jacket

Consists of a camouflaged military vest, skin gloves, camouflaged military pants and military boots. With little armor
, this simple and light design focuses on heightening Vics agility considerably, enabling him to run fast and dodge
with ease.


Device

-Device Name-

Barret

Spoiler for Barret:

Barret has the shape and function of a very small telescope when not in combat. It's an extreme long range shooting
type of device, nothing can stand against it when it comes to power of range. It has a cartridge system on the
upside of the barrel but it's only capable of being reloaded one by one. He refers to Vic as "Sergeant".

-Device Type-

Shooting type

-Device Mode-

Kurzwaffe Mode (Handgun mode): A type of defensive mode. Only usable at close range, this mode is for when
discovered or captured, enabling Vic to defend himself. Has the form of a handgun armored with silverplates all
around to form shields around the hands holding it.

Scharfschütze Mode (Sniper mode): Considered a standard mode by both Barret and Vic, this mode is for medium to
long range. Taking the form of a bigger version of the non-combat mode, it also has 2 extra telescopes on the sides
serving as magnifications.

Hyperion Scharfschütze Mode (Hyper Sniper mode): This mode is only usable and most effective at extreme range, to
the limit that the target can't be seen. It's similar to the Sniper mode with the exception of a longer
barrel, 1 extra telescope and small optical glasses hovering around the barrel adding power and accuracy.


Combat style

Calm and collected, Vic picks his targets with care and patience. If given a target, he will do his
best to take it down fast, before the target knows what's happening.
Since he is a long range fighter, he prefers being in the air, several kilometres from the battlefield but he doesn't
mind being on the ground either since he gets extra support for Barret, increasing accuracy. Depending on the range
to his target, the shots varies between being imossibly accurate or having enough power to penetrate the target and
be usable again directly after.



Spells

Compared to other mages, Vic doesn't have alot of spells due to his long range figthing capability. However, the
spells he does have is very powerful and specialized.

-Defense-

Guardian: A pretty standard shield spell, capable of blocking most attacks.

Stealth: A very unusual spell, only known to Vic. If in danger of being captured or discovered he can activate
this to achieve invisibility for a limited amount of time enabling him to hide or escape. However, attacking or
moving too fast makes Stealth break.

-Offensive-

Scharfschütze Shot (Sniper Shot): Easily recognizable due to it's shape, this spell produces small sticks which shoots
out of Barret at incredible speed. At the same time as being a controllable shot (linking Vics mind to the shot)
,it also has enough power to penetrate its target and be usable directly after, enabling it to produce hit after hit
until the shot is destroyed or Vic loses control of it. It is possible to have multiple shots in the air at the same
time but since all shots have to be controlled individually, it's almost impossible to handle more than 3 shots.

This shot is also lacking in accuracy, only depending on Vics ability to decide it's trajectory.


Scharfschütze Tracker (Sniper Tracker): A very unique spell. When Vic has decided his target he often uses this
to make the target a different color than the rest, increasing its visibility.
This is not visible to anyone except him.

Hyperion Shot: In contrast to Sniper Shot, this spell has almost perfect accuracy instead of power. It is, in short terms,
very hard to avoid, though it can be blocked easily. All the shots produced by this spell is manually locked to a
target and it then chases the target until the shot hits, which is 100% of the time.
Since it's lacking in power, it's best to fire one shot after another to hit the target several times.
It has the same shape as Sniper Shot but it's max range is unknown and its speed make it impossible to see. It has
been known to fire from extremely long range.

Hyperion Scharfschütze Shot (Hyperion Sniper Shot): An extremely powerful and risky spell. This combines the power
and accuracy of the 2 spells, forming an insanely powerful and accurate shot, very hard to both avoid or block.
But this kind of attack comes with a price. It consumes all the energy of both Vic
and Barret, making them both unable to move after the attack, for several hours.

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I'm planning on doing some fan-fic too, centering this character.

Advice of what could be better, history errors, grammatical errors, impossibilites etc. is very appreciated.

Oh, and the picture of Barret, I made in PS very quick. It's so bad it's laughable.

Welcome to the thread. I see you still haven't changed the 100% hit chance of Hyperion Shot since the last PM, might want to fix that.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

First, Kero, explain to me why Gil didn't approach Hayate as soon as he knew she had the book.

For what purpose? Negotiating with her? What will that acomplish? Aside from the fact that Hayate would never agree to let her knights hunt for Linker Cores, you still have an aproaching apocalyse on your hands. Remember: Nobody, and I mean nobody, knew that Hayate would be able to take command of the Yami no Sho. Everyone thought -via experience- that as soon as the book is completed it goes berserk with no chance of recovery.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

We don't know anything about the book's previous meisters save for the fact that the Wolks vaguely recall that Hayate treats them unlike any of their previous masters. With this in mind, it's highly likely that every master of the Tome prior to Hayate tried to complete it using the Wolkenritter to gather power from LCs. This time, however, the bureau has the opportunity to gain the cooperation of the book's meister and possibly debug it (keep in mind that the bureau doesn't know the book can't be debugged prior to activation). So long as there was a 1% chance of saving Hayate--and obviously there was--any good honest man would do everything in his power to save her.

Like I said, they tried getting the book. It didn't work. Plus, they didn't even know the book was bugged to begin with prior to Yuuno's research. To them, it was a tool of destruction. Debugging was never part of anyone's plan.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

But what does Gil do? "Oh well, poor girl's picked up the Tome, too bad for her. We'll just ignore all chances of gaining her cooperation and fixing the damn thing and sentence her to an eternal Deep Freeze once she hits 11 or so. But hey, at least she'll be happy with her new family for the one pathetic year she has left before we mind-rape her and stick her in the fridge!"

How anybody in the entire fandom could possibly mistake Gil for one of the good guys is entirely beyond me.

Quite simple: The Yami no Sho has been a wild weapon of mass destrucion for decades, possibly more. Now Graham finally has a chance to end it all and freeze it with the minimal number of casualties.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

And of course the Tome is too tempting a target for the real Big Bad of the season to keep his hands off, so of course Gil's trying to claim its' power for himself. He's just smart enough to have a convincing cover story ready when Chrono busts his operation, then gets the mages to clean up his own mess for him while he retires in comfort instead of being executed like he should have been.

Its a fun wild theory, but got any proof to support it? So far pretty much all of canon points against you.

[NorthernFallout]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Welcome to the thread. I see you still haven't changed the 100% hit chance of Hyperion Shot since the last PM, might want to fix that.

Damn, I thought I fixed that O_o. Stupid Notepad. Fixed.

[Estavali]

Shockingly, I finally mustered enough resolve to actually put my OCs on writing. Will wonders ever cease? Maybe the next thing coming is a proper OC post, and the Moon will be draped blue the next time she graces our skies .

In any case, here shall the Halls of the Night Sky stand, an outpost for my "children". Expect updates.... whenever the Hammer hits hard enough .

Character Profiles

~ Yunie Sednar and Evalanthi

• Beta Trailer

Notes

On translator devices

Of Suuwal and Shaytan:
Part 1 &2

And a cold wind blows in these halls....For now. Or so I hope.

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Keroko is a 'skifter', though they are also known as 'dimension travelers' 'eternal warriors' 'world shifters' or whatever term the particular world has for them, if any. Skifters are a natural defence mechanism of the multiverse whenever an inbalance appears. Skifters are send to fix that inbalance, be it through good or evil. Whenever a skifter dies, they are send to the next world.

Okay, so this is not always true, its an excuse I sometimes use to explain to the other members of the world why Keroko has powers that shouldn't appear in that world (if she has them) the discovery of Nanoha gave me a new excuse, which I happilly abuse when inserting Keroko into the Negima storyline.

If I import I just tend to adapt the char to the setting and have him be a normal member of the world. That Keroko/Neg crack needs to be written by the way.

O_o If you're importing the FMP Keroko, then I hope you are looking for some fights, because like I said, she is war-hungry. To keep a long story short: She is the direct oposite of a whispered, she has no knowledge of black technology, but her physical capabillities are through the roof. Unfortunately that comes with an insatiable hunger to use that power, but since she is somewhat willing to listen to Tessa and Mao (because they're woman in command) Mithrill manages to guide her physical ferocity for a good cause.

“She might a viscous violent berserker, but she’s OUR viscous violent berserker.”

Let's hope one of them is a diplomat then.

I don’t get why it would even an issue if all of them even exist that basiclly proves that “many worlds” is in effect and thus them meeting wouldn’t do anything besides cause some confusion.

Go. Finish. Now. DVD encodes are waiting.

Anyway, his was pretty much the same, a huge boost in stats.

Yeah I should get around to that too I mostly only skimmed the stuff that came after the HQ attack.

So is Nanoha:

[Mil-Otaku Mode]
That’s acutally an electrically driven gatling gun a chain gun is a different weapon similar in that both use an external power source rather then harnessing some of the energy of the cartridges themselves to cycle the weapon, but still different concepts. The most well know chain gun is probably the M242 25mm weapon used on the Bradley fighting vehicle though other sizes right down to small arms exist. The main advantage of this type of weapon is very high reliability examples have been know to fire over 100,000 rounds without a stoppage.
[/Mil-Otaku Mode]

Now as Compensation for that nonsense some video of a what a Mini-gun can do!

Spoiler for Video Spam:

Shot fish in a barrel DUH!

Take out a Propane tank? Sure!

Chop down a tree?! No sweat!

Wreck a car?! Not even a contest!

Do a fair impression of a frikkin laser beam?! Easily!

"Gun GOOD!"

Rogue Squadron, Tk. Rogue Squadron.

Rouge is a makeup.

Well it is Rouge squadron in the fic partly so it doesn’t seem like so blatant a rip off but it’s also a sort of backhanded reference in itself since rouge in French acutally means just “Red” so technically it would be “Red Squadron” in French (the original founder before Keroko was French and the squadrons paint scheme is red). It seems like I’m getting them mixed up already though.

Because its not 80. Its 25. And with the new expansion, they're going to lower it to 10, which is less then most shooters fill their servers with these days.

Well whatever it was still pretty much impossible to even attempt in a pick up manner. (ten would still be a stretch, but not impossible)

Tesla: *shakes head at the one-way com* You just keep thinking that. Meanwhile I have already ordered the compromised men to evacuate. They should be safely back home by now.

“The compromised guys on my ship that’s currently in an alternate sub-dimension flying to another galaxy at thousands of light years a second…? That’d be a neat trick acutally I kind of want to see if they can manage it let’s find out.”

*presses a button to open an air lock and dump the guys out the back where they simply explode*

“No doesn’t seem like they can.”

[Comartemis]

For what purpose?

Well gee, I don't know, how about getting the bureau's top LL researchers to examine the thing and see if there's a way to deactivate it or something? Once they figure out that the master program is a device, get some Meisters on the job to see how it interfaces with the rest of the book. Pick apart its' code, question the Wolkenritter, chuck it down a black hole, it doesn't matter what you do but do something instead of giving up and dooming an innocent girl to an early death.

[stormturmoil]

Just bear in mind that even at the end of A's, the Tome of the Night Sky HAS NOT BEEN DEBUGGED!

All that happened was that the defence program was separated out, delaying but not stopping the book from going berserk again. That's the whole reason the book had to be destroyed and Reinforce I killed. Because otherwise, the STILL CORRUPTED book would have rebooted it's defence program and done it all over again.

And the only reason THIS halfway solution was possible was because the Book WANTED it to happen, because Hayate Had treated it differently than any other master before it. That's why Reinforce tried to keep Hayate dreaming in the book: as long as Hayate remained in the book, the book could not kill her. And with the books reincarnation function active, there is no reason such a state of affairs couldn't go on forever...But Hayate wasn't for wearing that, and managed to -with the books explicit consent and assistance- seize control of the book and perform admin functions. But the book was still corrupted...

But Nobody in the Bureau knew any of this until the actual battles, least of all Gil Graham. As far as anyone was concerned, the Yami-No-Sho was exactly what Chrono Described it as " an incredibly dangerous magical Tome that CANNOT be stopped".

Yuuno explained that attempts to seal or destroy the book before completion simply led to the book absorbing it's current master and reincarnating somewhere else. If the master is taken out before it's complete, the book reincarnates somewhere else.

Once complete, of course, the Defence program takes over, and the book, according to Yuuno and Chrono " devours everything around it and grows infinitely in size."

Hence the only window for Gil Graham's plan is immediately after the book's completion, but before it goes berserk.

The biggest flaw in the Gil=Bad guy argument, though, is that he has no motive to seize the book himself.

what could he gain? Power? he's already the top person in charge of the whole TSAB.

Personal power? maybe the book's reincarnation power as a form of immortality?

the book can't have more than one master, and the moment it's master is gone, IT chooses the next. More to the point, being immortal for the ten minutes you'd get before the book goes berserk and destroys you along with everything around you (as far as anyone knows) isn't a terribly good deal.

knowledge? He's got the infinity library for that.

The only motive for Gil I can see here is unfinished business bordering on revenge. It killed his friend Clyde, it shattered a family, it stained his record, it caught him napping, and it'll do it again unless Gil ties up that nagging thread for good. The only way he can see of doing that is the plan he puts forward, because that's what experience from the other masters has told him.

So he found out who the next Master was, and set her up, waiting until she seized the power for her own. He knew about the WolkenRitter collecting pages, but probably assumed they were working on Hayate's orders, not realising it was even possible for them to do the collection off their own bat in secret.

(this might also have served as a sap to his conscience, believing that if she'd ordered the WolkenRitter out to collect pages, that Hayate had been tempted by power and turned as bad as the other masters...)

so he, Lotte and Aria help 'Hayate's' collection along, and when the time is right, they enrage Hayate to keep her off balance and occupy her, making her waste her time where she might've been in control (and so able to oppose them) until the defence program takes her over and starts to go berserk.

At which point, they freeze her and the book, and seal her into a limbo dimension.

It's a rational transaction, right? one life for thousands...maybe millions if the Arc-en-Ciel doesn't arrive in time...

except, of course, that she wasn't asked, and as Chrono said, such things have a way of being found...(One Ring to bring them all?)

As for why she wasn't asked...well, Hayate as of first receiving the book would probably have actually gone with the plan. After spending some time with the Wolkenritter, maybe not so much...

More to the point, though, the book would probably have recognised any such attempt to persuade it's master and made like Yuuno says happens when the master is interfered with before completion: absorbed the master and reincarnated elsewhere, leaving the plan useless in any event.

If Gil Graham is guilty of anything, it's faulty judgement bordering on obsession, as well as an unhealthy 'ends justify the means' string of rationalisations,

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

If I import I just tend to adapt the char to the setting and have him be a normal member of the world. That Keroko/Neg crack needs to be written by the way.

Geh, I'll work on it.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

“She might a viscous violent berserker, but she’s OUR viscous violent berserker.”

... I can actually see Kurz say that.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

I don’t get why it would even an issue if all of them even exist that basiclly proves that “many worlds” is in effect and thus them meeting wouldn’t do anything besides cause some confusion.

Oh trust me, its not the meeting between Keroko's I'm concerned about, but the general lack of fights available for FMP Keroko. No fights for a long time causes her to look for fights.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

[Mil-Otaku Mode]
That’s acutally an electrically driven gatling gun a chain gun is a different weapon similar in that both use an external power source rather then harnessing some of the energy of the cartridges themselves to cycle the weapon, but still different concepts. The most well know chain gun is probably the M242 25mm weapon used on the Bradley fighting vehicle though other sizes right down to small arms exist. The main advantage of this type of weapon is very high reliability examples have been know to fire over 100,000 rounds without a stoppage.
[/Mil-Otaku Mode]

Now as Compensation for that nonsense some video of a what a Mini-gun can do!

Spoiler for Video Spam:

-youtube snip-

"Gun GOOD!"

... I should facepalm, but then I kinda knew this was gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Well it is Rouge squadron in the fic partly so it doesn’t seem like so blatant a rip off but it’s also a sort of backhanded reference in itself since rouge in French acutally means just “Red” so technically it would be “Red Squadron” in French (the original founder before Keroko was French and the squadrons paint scheme is red). It seems like I’m getting them mixed up already though.

And Rogue Squadron used to be Red Squadron. Complete circle.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

“The compromised guys on my ship that’s currently in an alternate sub-dimension flying to another galaxy at thousands of light years a second…? That’d be a neat trick acutally I kind of want to see if they can manage it let’s find out.”

*presses a button to open an air lock and dump the guys out the back where they simply explode*

“No doesn’t seem like they can.”

*behind Tesla the door opens and the undercover agents step in*

Tesla: Good to see you made it back safely.

Agent 1: Yes ma'm, we used Dimensional Transfer as soon as we got the message. They should not even have had the time to react to our departure.

Grunt: Huh? Then who did he just dump out of the airlock?

*onboard Tk's ship*

Trusted Lieutenant: .... Bob? ....Mike?

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Well gee, I don't know, how about getting the bureau's top LL researchers to examine the thing and see if there's a way to deactivate it or something? Once they figure out that the master program is a device, get some Meisters on the job to see how it interfaces with the rest of the book. Pick apart its' code, question the Wolkenritter, chuck it down a black hole, it doesn't matter what you do but do something instead of giving up and dooming an innocent girl to an early death.

Because they already tried the research route, and they ended up with a dead admiral, who knows how many crewmembers, and a ship that had to be blown up with their own weapons before they even got to the research part. You forget that the Yami no Sho has a self-protection program that will activate against its masters will. Chucking it down a black hole will do no good since it will just come back again. Despite all your denial, Graham's sollution was the most effective one. Yes, in the end Hayate managed to save the day, but might I add that nobody, not even Reinforce herself, predicted that outcome?

Edit: Wow... so much Graham ranting.

[Comartemis]

....

I still can't wrap my head around Gil = Good Guy, but I do see your point, Kero.

I'm probably the only one who's reading him this way, but for reasons I can't quite put my finger on, Gil gives me a severe case of Gilbert Durandal vibes, and not just because of his name. I cannot help but feel that he is up to no good somehow. My initial idea post-StrikerS was that he was connected somehow to the High Council, maybe the Navy's version of Regius or something.

...bah, enough conspiracy theories, time to get back to work on Kiritsugu.

[Silvance]

Name: Asclei Foresythe
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Height: 171 cm
Weight: ?? kg
Place of Birth: 367th Aldian research facility
Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Dark Red
Mage Type: Aldian Knight
Magic Array: Aldian
Magic Color: Dark Red
Elemental Affinity: Lightning
Mage/Knight Rank: SS+
Threat Level: SSS

Known as:
The Ark of Lightning,
13th Lance,
Blood Hound of Aldia,



Affiliation:
Aldia - One of the thirteen kings lance
Albion - One of the Seven Arks





Combat Vest (Barrier Jacket):
Primary Phase, Delta Form




Arms (Device): Silvance

Catch Phrase: “Ittou Ryoudan” ( 一刀両断)


Combat Vest:

Delta Form: Asclei’s default barrier jacket. The thoracic plate enforces the defense of Asclei’s chest area. It also prevents any direct attacks on the linker core like what Lotte did to Fate in the 2nd season.



Arms: Silvance
Arms Type: Combat Arms (V1-4)
Arms Storage Form: Card (V1-4)
Arms Modes: Assault Form – Zweihander
Twin Blade Form – Two singled edged swords (
Gunnerz Form – Rifle (
Foresythe Form – A giant scythe with 2 blades attached to its sides
Kryton Form - Two blades joined together by a hilt located at the center.

Spoiler for Personality:

Asclei is secretive in nature and rarely opens up completely to other people. He’s rather cynical and earning his trust is a difficult task especially if the person in question has a questionable historical record. Asclei also has a good eye for people. Almost all members of Espion were handpicked by Asclei and the ones, who are allowed to stand next to him, are his most trusted subordinates.

Asclei is merciful to women and children but he will not hesitate to remove them by force, if they keep getting on his way. Its also hard for Asclei to forgive traitors and is very vengeful when betrayed by others especially if his loved ones were hurt in the process.

During nighttime, Asclei enjoys taking a walk outside to feel the cool breeze, and moon gazing while drinking chocolate milk. He is also very fond of animals especially cats and dogs. He owns several of them and leaves all of his pets inside the Julianess or in Felemia.

When with his loved ones, Asclei can be affectionate, generous, bold, direct, and passionate when it counts the most. Though he may not look like it, Asclei is quite sensitive and worried about what his loved ones thinks of him. The words, “I hate you” is much more painful to Asclei than any physical wounds in existence. When Vanthia uttered such words for the first time when she was upset, Asclei froze solid and became unresponsive to others until Vanthia took her words back..

Asclei also understands the value of money in the society and will do everything he can to earn them in the most honest manner as much as possible. To Asclei, money is necessary since he doesn’t want his loved ones to live in poverty, and wants to provide them with a comfortable lifestyle.

Unlike Nerval, Asclei is quite charismatic and manipulative at certain times. Like his father, Asclei is greatly admired by others especially by the members of the opposite sex.


Hobbies and Talents:

Asclei loves to sketch, although he’s terrible at it. He also enjoys reading books regarding the human anatomy and physiology during his free time. He also plays the piano whenever he’s bored or whenever Vanthia or any of his Rhine Maidens requests him to play the instrument. Asclei is also considered a genius when it comes to cooking and even surpasses Hayate when it comes to culinary art.

In addition, Asclei is very talented as a pilot of a Cosmic Frame and is able to fight in equal terms with the Cosmic Union’s 2nd best pilot, Fuego Dyna. Asclei himself has his own custom unit that was modified just for his use.

Origins:

Asclei is the clone of the 13th Royal Mist, Fio Rena Kuhlstein. He was created by a team of scientists of the 367th Aldian Research Facility. The scientists’ objective was to combine the latest cyborg technologies, and basic fundamentals of Project Fate in order to create a powerful Aldian knight. Among the thousands of experimental subjects, only three were successfully made, but five years later, two of the subjects died. The third subject, Asclei, proved to be free from any anatomical and physiological problems and was later transferred to Aldia’s infamous Ogfold Training Facility. In that facility, a lot of children including orphans were gathered together and were trained rigorously everyday. Those who couldn’t meet the expectations of the staff for a period of time were immediately transferred to another facility where their organs were extracted, and sold in the black market while some of the children were used as guinea pigs by other research divisions.

Although Asclei is Fate’s adopted brother, the two are still distantly related since Fio’s little sister married into the Foresythe family -- and the descendants of that person are Nerval and Fate.

Extra...in other words, sketches >_<

Spoiler for Long Haired Asclei:

for those that actually read the last part of Sierra's background, this is how Sierra looked like when she apologized to Asclei for cutting his hair. XD

Asclei: "Cruel, just cruel T_T"

Spoiler for Short Haired Asclei:

Not much in here, just a pissed off Asclei....

Spoiler for Break:

Everyone is currently on break and are relaxing. Asclei, Lanos, Teana, and Ginga are enjoying their coversation. Then Subordinate A knocked and saying that there's an item for Lanos which is from Alfred Lancer, Sierra's father. Lanos took it and was happy because Alfred sent him the items that he wanted. Everyone suddenly felt a cold breeze hitting their necks...Lanos is up to something. Teana then stood up and walk to the door but Lanos stopped her.

Lanos: wait, Tea-chan! where are you going?
Teana: I forgot I had something to do...I'll be right back once its done *whenever I see that overly happy smile of yours, you're always up to no good*
Lanos: I guess it cant be helped.....here, at least have some candy, its pretty good. I'll see you later then.................definitely.
Teana: ....yeah..

Teana left and is currently walking in the hall way

*takes off the wrapper and ate it*

Teana:....hmmm its pretty tasty...I should've asked for more.

Back in the room.

Asclei: This is...edible...right?
Ginga: It looks like any other candy, I doubt there's any harm from eating it.
Lanos: Geez, do you guys not trust me at all?
Asclei: Whenever you have that overly happy smile of yours...NO!
Lanos: How cruel T_T, you trust me dont you Ginga?
Ginga: O-Of course I do....*avoids eye contact with Lanos*

To prove that that the candy is safe, Lanos ate one. For 3 minutes nothing happened.

Lanos: see, I told you.

Asclei and Ginga ate one as well. The both of them liked the candy that Lanos gave them. 5 minutes later. A neko mimi appeared on Asclei's head while an usagi mimi was present on Ginga's head.

Asclei: Lanos! you said its safe! you lied just now didnt you!
Lanos: Ah~ the two of you look sooo good. I especially like your rabbit ears Ginga <3
Asclei: He's not listening....!....is that a tail behind you?....the tail is waving around...are you enjoying this?
Lanos: Very much so...
Asclei: He doesnt feel any guilt at all....Ginga why dont you say something as well?
Ginga: huh? (she's touching her rabbit ears....seems likes enjoying it)
Lanos: Don't worry, after an hour or so it will disappear.

Fate walks in the scene.

Fate: *surprised*, what happened?
Lanos: Not much, wanna join us Fate-san?
Fate: *sigh* (looks at Ginga). My, those rabbit ears are very cute on you Ginga.
Ginga: Thank you Fate-san.
Fate: *looks at Asclei, his cat ears are twitching* are those cat ears? *approaches Asclei* may I touch them?

As fate approach Asclei with her hands ready to grab the cat ears, Asclei stood up and was about to make a run for it but he tripped. Fate caught up and was touching Asclei's cat ears to her hearts content.

Fate: so cute!, its just like the real thing
Asclei: S-Stop, you're pulling it too hard! T__T

While this was going on, Lanos took the opportunity to take pictures of everyone in the room.

In the hallway...Teana was happy that whatever Lanos was hiding up his sleeve, she escaped from it...or so she thought.

Lanos: Gotta look for Tea-chan now and take some good shots. hahan~ if she thinks she got away, she's way to naive to think that she can escape from the hands of Lanos-sama.
Asclei: Someone! help!
Ginga: *How envious, I want to touch the cat ears too...but Asclei might get mad later...I
guess I'll hold back....for now*

Fate kept on touching and didnt let go of Asclei's cat ears for an entire hour.

I did mention that Asclei transforms whenever he needs to spy on others and gather informatin...right? Anyway, Lanos and the others didn't know about what form Asclei transforms into. However, Fate later found out about it.

Here's a sketch of Fate's expression when she realized that the person before her is...well...you can pretty much tell XD.

Spoiler for eeeeeeeeh?!!!!!!!!!!!:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=356

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

You guys enjoy that minigun 'kay?

In the mean time, I'm working on an idea that in the big island fight, the main disposal storage site is going to have to be disposed of in and of itself to keep the S-21 punks from getting away with it.

In short, Roland gets all 'Scortched Earth Tactics' on it...

The question now is: "How much explosive content is the MAIN bunker (At the disposal site) storing?

100 tons?

Spoiler for BOOM!:

2-300 tons

Spoiler for BOOM!!!!:

400 tons?


((Watch the hat on the guy in the lower corner.))

Spoiler for Boom + language:

Or...

500 tons?

Spoiler for M M M M MONSTER BOOM:

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by stormturmoil

If Gil Graham is guilty of anything, it's faulty judgement bordering on obsession, as well as an unhealthy 'ends justify the means' string of rationalisations,

"faulty", "unhealthy" 'ends justify the means'?

Tch as noted there was NOTHING faulty about his reasoning and it was morally correct under a number of ethical systems. The good of the many is a TOTALLY viable and accepted foundation for making choices when confronted by ethical dilemmas which by there very nature are difficult and tend to lack a decisive "right" answer. Whether you agree with it is something else, but to say his logic was faulty or he wasn't using valid ethical judgment is simplistic and absurd IMO, and can only vaugely even be argued based on an outcome he couldn't have foreseen as even possible given the information available to him.

IMO he used sound judgment and made his decision based on the information he had and given the same information I'd have supported his plan completely. One little girl to possibly save and entire world and dozens even hundreds more in the future? Only the most thick headed and philosophical of twits would even attempt to debate this issue. Hell if his plan had worked as intended he'd likely have been hailed a HERO. It's only by applying knowledge gained afterwards that he had no way of knowing that one can make ANY sort of argument his plan was amoral or unethical which is totally unfair and amounts to Sunday morning quarter backing.

The plan was cold hearted perhaps, and seems more so since we all happen to like Hayate but that's not the same thing as being wrong or amoral and to try and make him seem like a villain base on it is just outright character assassination IMO.

[FlameSparkZ]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Duh, it's only a AA-rank dragon against S-rank Signum after all.

Yeah...So much for Red Dragons in the Nanohaverse

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yeah, that about sums up Tesla's reaction when she was in that position.

I see

Originally Posted by Keroko

You better! I need to know what I can and cannot do with Koji and his specialties.

Eh? What do you mean?

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

That's our Signum-nee...enemy does a massive flashy summon, and she brings it down, cool as ever.

Yup

Originally Posted by Keroko

So is Nanoha:

O-ok....

*runs*

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

"faulty", "unhealthy" 'ends justify the means'?

Tch as noted there was NOTHING faulty about his reasoning and it was morally correct under a number of ethical systems. The good of the many is a TOTALLY viable and accepted foundation for making choices when confronted by ethical dilemmas which by there very nature are difficult and tend to lack a decisive "right" answer. Whether you agree with it is something else, but to say his logic was faulty or he wasn't using valid ethical judgment is simplistic and absurd IMO, and can only vaugely even be argued based on an outcome he couldn't have foreseen as even possible given the information available to him.

IMO he used sound judgment and made his decision based on the information he had and given the same information I'd have supported his plan completely. One little girl to possibly save and entire world and dozens even hundreds more in the future? Only the most thick headed and philosophical of twits would even attempt to debate this issue. Hell if his plan had worked as intended he'd likely have been hailed a HERO. It's only by applying knowledge gained afterwards that he had no way of knowing that one can make ANY sort of argument his plan was amoral or unethical which is totally unfair and amounts to Sunday morning quarter backing.

The plan was cold hearted perhaps, and seems more so since we all happen to like Hayate but that's not the same thing as being wrong or amoral and to try and make him seem like a villain base on it is just outright character assassination IMO.

That's what I tried to convey in IRC when discussing the issue. Something about Graham being seen as a calculating powerhungry pig rubbed me the wrong way. Then the card "Graham is a fcking idiot who has no place in TSAB's higher hierarchy if he could not think of a plan to save a little girl" has been played. Then, excuse me, I pointed out Harry Truman. Is he an idiot for using the atomic bomb? In his context, he did the right thing, by putting a quick end to the war and save dozens or hundreds of thousands of GIs who could have been killed while trying to invade japan.

[Comartemis]

That's what I tried to convey in IRC when discussing the issue. Something about Graham being seen as a calculating powerhungry pig rubbed me the wrong way. Then the card "Graham is a fcking idiot who has no place in TSAB's higher hierarchy if he could not think of a plan to save a little girl" has been played. Then, excuse me, I pointed out Harry Truman. Is he an idiot for using the atomic bomb? In his context, he did the right thing, by putting a quick end to the war and save dozens or hundreds of thousands of GIs who could have been killed while trying to invade japan.

That's quite different, Sheba.

The arguement was initially made under the belief that Gil had perfect or near-perfect intelligence about the internal workings of the BoD, the presence of Reinforce, the viral defense program, and the Wolkenritter. Now it's since been pointed out to me that the bureau didn't have anywhere near perfect intelligence on the Book so my argument went south rather quickly, but the Harry Truman example doesn't hold up because Truman didn't have perfect intelligence on the Japanese forces, the resolve of the people, etc. If he had had perfect intelligence, and he still couldn't come up with a plan besides nuking the place, then he would have been an idiot in my decidedly-less-than-professional opinion.

You know, I'm ready to drop this discussion any time if you guys are.

[stormturmoil]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

"faulty", "unhealthy" 'ends justify the means'?

Tch as noted there was NOTHING faulty about his reasoning and it was morally correct under a number of ethical systems. The good of the many is a TOTALLY viable and accepted foundation for making choices when confronted by ethical dilemmas which by there very nature are difficult and tend to lack a decisive "right" answer. Whether you agree with it is something else, but to say his logic was faulty or he wasn't using valid ethical judgment is simplistic and absurd IMO, and can only vaugely even be argued based on an outcome he couldn't have foreseen as even possible given the information available to him.

IMO he used sound judgment and made his decision based on the information he had and given the same information I'd have supported his plan completely. One little girl to possibly save and entire world and dozens even hundreds more in the future? Only the most thick headed and philosophical of twits would even attempt to debate this issue. Hell if his plan had worked as intended he'd likely have been hailed a HERO. It's only by applying knowledge gained afterwards that he had no way of knowing that one can make ANY sort of argument his plan was amoral or unethical which is totally unfair and amounts to Sunday morning quarter backing.

The plan was cold hearted perhaps, and seems more so since we all happen to like Hayate but that's not the same thing as being wrong or amoral and to try and make him seem like a villain base on it is just outright character assassination IMO.

I was presenting the likely Bureau view after the fact, particularly based on the fact that it would likely be Chrono doing the reporting (history, winners...)

sorry if that wasn't clear...I was presenting what he could be accused of, if someone wanted to, not what I would accuse him of.
For, while he is obviously somewhat obsessed with the book to some degree (he's been running a covert plot off company time for eleven years...), his plan is not obviously flawed from a technical standpoint.

The plan itself, like I said, is a rational transaction...one life against Thousands, and I can accept that.

The Bureau doesn't have to accept it. In a Bureaucracy, there always Has to be someone to blame.

Bear in mind, Chrono obviously feels that annihilating thousands of Earthers with the Arc-en-Ciel is preferable to compromising his principles over Gil's plan. If he wanted, he could have just let them carry on with it, or even pitched in with it. And this is before he knows any different than they do and that there may be an alternative.Instead, he arrests them, derails the plan and proceeds to deliver an ultimatum to the cast that is only narrowly averted by a blue sky idea that just happened to work out.

Personally, I think Gil was doing the right thing based on what he knew. The fact that he got caught and stopped does not necessarily invalidate that. But it's highly likely that many of the particulars of the 'Mage attack' and 'book of Darkness' cases that were handled less than perfectly would have been piled onto Graham's plate after the fact because hindsight is always 20/20 and just because he'd make a convenient patsy for other parties in the bureau.

And so Gil Graham Stands down after A's before he can be accused of unsound judgement, faulty reasoning etc.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

That's quite different, Sheba.

The arguement was initially made under the belief that Gil had perfect or near-perfect intelligence about the internal workings of the BoD, the presence of Reinforce, the viral defense program, and the Wolkenritter. Now it's since been pointed out to me that the bureau didn't have anywhere near perfect intelligence on the Book so my argument went south rather quickly, but the Harry Truman example doesn't hold up because Truman didn't have perfect intelligence on the Japanese forces, the resolve of the people, etc. If he had had perfect intelligence, and he still couldn't come up with a plan besides nuking the place, then he would have been an idiot in my decidedly-less-than-professional opinion.

You know, I'm ready to drop this discussion any time if you guys are.

You assumed that an aging officer has near perfect intelligence? Oh wow.

There are not such a thing as perfect intelligence ever.

EDIT: Even so-called geniuses like Lelouch or Light Yagami acted like retards on few occasions.