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Chaos2Frozen · 2012-03-17, 07:25

Powerful episode this week, I'm glad that in the end Narukami did make the right decision.

Seeing this episode makes me wish the whole series has spent abit more on the mystery aspect, I realized it's not possible of course but still it would be nice.

Maybe Persona 5 would do better in that? Assuming it comes out of course

EDIT: Alright! With Judgement onboard, it's time to bring out Lucifer

!

Von Himmel · 2012-03-17, 08:12

Was it lucifer/Helel that's in Judgment Arcana? Also, has Yu made social link with Teddie yet?

My memory seems to fail me this time around

raitouazura · 2012-03-17, 08:31

with all social link obtained Yu certainly become stronger, the only thing he lack is the ability to use persona fusion attack like Arisato

hope they added this ability in anime

com_gwp · 2012-03-17, 08:33

You guys know what's the best part? In the game, we also had to go through the same thing of piecing together the clues and picking out the true killer from a list of EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER that appeared in the game. Yea.

So it's honestly fun that the animation team is following in spirit and giving you guys a week to figure out this. Kudos to them.

bayoab · 2012-03-17, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Was it lucifer/Helel that's in Judgment Arcana? Also, has Yu made social link with Teddie yet?

My memory seems to fail me this time around

Lucifer is ultimate of Judgment
Helel is ultimate of Star

Teddie's link is automatic, as it relates to Fool/Judgment.

zero7090 · 2012-03-17, 10:35

hmm, was there track played during the scene namatame talking with konishi in the game as well? if yes what is its name?

btw: doesnt kuma event suppose to be happen before namatame confess everything?

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-03-17, 10:46

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Originally Posted by bayoab

Lucifer is ultimate of Judgment
Helel is ultimate of Star

Teddie's link is automatic, as it relates to Fool/Judgment.

Which always strikes me as weird because Helel essentially seems to be Lucifer as well.

Kimidori · 2012-03-17, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Which always strikes me as weird because Helel essentially seems to be Lucifer as well.

Helel is the angelic name of lucifer before he rebel god and become the devil

rpgman1 · 2012-03-17, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Kimidori

Helel is the angelic name of lucifer before he rebel god and become the devil

That strikes me as a before and after picture. With Yuu finishing the mystery meat bowl and finding out who the true culprit, anyone care to guess what Yuu will be summoning for Empress and Judgment?

Dextro · 2012-03-17, 14:08

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Originally Posted by com_gwp

You guys know what's the best part? In the game, we also had to go through the same thing of piecing together the clues and picking out the true killer from a list of EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER that appeared in the game. Yea.

And that was a bit annoying since imho we were grasping at straws at that point. There are so few hints given that it takes the observational powers of someone like Naoto to actually get to the actual culprit. Out of the top of my head I can only think of a single occasion where the true culprit strongly gave him or herself away and even then it was pretty easy to gloss over. It was even easier in the anime where I noticed that there was no extra emphasis placed on that particular line. However I'll have to take my hat off to the anime team on that one since the game also didn't give any extra emphasis to that smoking gun.

Von Himmel · 2012-03-17, 14:41

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Teddie's link is automatic, as it relates to Fool/Judgment.

So I guess he already summoned a persona from Star arcana, huh?

Damn, I was hoping for Helel + Lucifer combination in the next episode if he hadn't summon anyone from Teddy's social link

ookamigirl · 2012-03-17, 15:36

Nanako's dead-alive condition was kinda nerve racking.
There sure was a lot of tension..
So he was kinda seeing what will happen.
Guess his intentions weren't bad, but road to hell is also paved with good intentions.
Well, at least things ended well for now.

Kanon · 2012-03-17, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Dextro

And that was a bit annoying since imho we were grasping at straws at that point. There are so few hints given that it takes the observational powers of someone like Naoto to actually get to the actual culprit. Out of the top of my head I can only think of a single occasion where the true culprit strongly gave him or herself away and even then it was pretty easy to gloss over. It was even easier in the anime where I noticed that there was no extra emphasis placed on that particular line. However I'll have to take my hat off to the anime team on that one since the game also didn't give any extra emphasis to that smoking gun.

It was actually ridiculously easy if you processed by elimination first: you can rule out all of the social links (ergo 95% of the cast) since they are people Yuu has forged a true bond with. That doesn't leave you with a lot of suspects.

I loved how the game even allowed you to pick Nanako

(it then nicely told you you were an idiot for even considering that option)

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-03-17, 17:50

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I loved how the game even allowed you to pick Nanako

(it then nicely told you you were an idiot for even considering that option)

Ultimate plot twist on the level of [Heavy Rain] if that was true

Dextro · 2012-03-17, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Kanon

It was actually ridiculously easy if you processed by elimination first: you can rule out all of the social links (ergo 95% of the cast) since they are people Yuu has forged a true bond with. That doesn't leave you with a lot of suspects.

I loved how the game even allowed you to pick Nanako

(it then nicely told you you were an idiot for even considering that option)

LOL fair enough but you still get left grasping at straws since the only way you can pick any one of the people on the list of suspects is using your forth wall breaking ability to pick a named character from the cast using the idea that it had to be someone on that list and without much on the way of proof or motive at the time. I still think it wasn't the best moment of the game and from what we saw so far I'm not sure it'll be much better in the anime.

I'm just waiting to see the reactions of anime-only viewers next week.

thundrakkon · 2012-03-17, 18:14

My guess is still going to be my first guess way back during the beginning. I still think it is the foolish looking sidekick, Adachi Tooru. The guy that acts the most foolish is usually the most suspicious. As for motivation, I have no idea, since he hasn't been fleshed out very much.

I don't think it is Doujima Ryoutarou simply because it would be unlikely for him to try to kill his own daughter.

The only other suspect would be Kuma, since he is still a mystery. However, considering how much he cares for Nanako, I doubt it would be him either.

Of course, the most rediculous choice would be Aika. She can be anywhere at anytime and works at the speed of light. I bet you could probably order a beef bowl in the TV world and she'll deliver it to you right away!

wandering-dreamer · 2012-03-17, 18:18

So someone on the tvtropes thread for this anime has come up with a pretty interesting theory on why/how Nanako revived, end game spoilers though so anime only watchers should avoid (and if the mods want me to remove it I shall).

Spoiler for again, end game spoilers are involved in this theory:

I have to admit that the fact that Nanako only revived when Teddie was leaving makes that theory look less likely here in the anime so this would make a lot of sense.

rpgman1 · 2012-03-17, 18:59

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Originally Posted by thundrakkon

My guess is still going to be my first guess way back during the beginning. I still think it is the foolish looking sidekick, Adachi Tooru. The guy that acts the most foolish is usually the most suspicious. As for motivation, I have no idea, since he hasn't been fleshed out very much.

I don't think it is Doujima Ryoutarou simply because it would be unlikely for him to try to kill his own daughter.

The only other suspect would be Kuma, since he is still a mystery. However, considering how much he cares for Nanako, I doubt it would be him either.

Of course, the most rediculous choice would be Aika. She can be anywhere at anytime and works at the speed of light. I bet you could probably order a beef bowl in the TV world and she'll deliver it to you right away!

The bumbling sidekick in stereotypical fashion blurting out secrets. Of course he's the VA of Kon from Bleach so it's understandable. The anime talked about the threatening letters and Namatame didn't know what Yuu was talking about. Yuu Narukami had already figured it out after forging so many S.Links and finishing the Mystery Meat Bowl quickly

Now all that is left is the Investigation Team finding and facing the true culprit.

bayoab · 2012-03-17, 19:45

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Originally Posted by wandering-dreamer

I have to admit that the fact that Nanako only revived when Teddie was leaving makes that theory look less likely here in the anime so this would make a lot of sense.

There is still more about this that hasn't been shown but here's some more that you would already know at this point in the game:

Spoiler for Game version of prev ep:

piccahoe · 2012-03-17, 22:19

if it's not ryo then it would be yuu ater ego but it wouldn't make much sense. At first I might of thought it would be Ryo partner except, I think it would be too obvious and it wouldn't be much of a twist. I can only piece the clue to Ryo. That episode pointed it out that that guy had an affair with a news anchor so maybe that was Ryo's wife which would explain why they didn't show her face in the picture, but that still leave the question of why he would kill Nanako. The only reason I could think is ...Nanako isn't really his daughter and was born from the affair. Ouch, I think that's too much of a plot twist.

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Powerful episode this week, I'm glad that in the end Narukami did make the right decision. Seeing this episode makes me wish the whole series has spent abit more on the mystery aspect, I realized it's not possible of course but still it would be nice. Maybe Persona 5 would do better in that? Assuming it comes out of course EDIT: Alright! With Judgement onboard, it's time to bring out Lucifer ! __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2012-03-17, 08:12	Link #2282
Von Himmel エーレンフェストの聖女 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dollars	Was it lucifer/Helel that's in Judgment Arcana? Also, has Yu made social link with Teddie yet? My memory seems to fail me this time around __________________ 「何かが起こっても、わたくしが守ります」

2012-03-17, 08:31	Link #2283
raitouazura Fallen God Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nirvana	with all social link obtained Yu certainly become stronger, the only thing he lack is the ability to use persona fusion attack like Arisato hope they added this ability in anime __________________ Next one will not miss

2012-03-17, 15:36	Link #2292
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Nanako's dead-alive condition was kinda nerve racking. There sure was a lot of tension.. So he was kinda seeing what will happen. Guess his intentions weren't bad, but road to hell is also paved with good intentions. Well, at least things ended well for now. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2012-03-17, 18:14	Link #2296
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	My guess is still going to be my first guess way back during the beginning. I still think it is the foolish looking sidekick, Adachi Tooru. The guy that acts the most foolish is usually the most suspicious. As for motivation, I have no idea, since he hasn't been fleshed out very much. I don't think it is Doujima Ryoutarou simply because it would be unlikely for him to try to kill his own daughter. The only other suspect would be Kuma, since he is still a mystery. However, considering how much he cares for Nanako, I doubt it would be him either. Of course, the most rediculous choice would be Aika. She can be anywhere at anytime and works at the speed of light. I bet you could probably order a beef bowl in the TV world and she'll deliver it to you right away! __________________

2012-03-17, 08:33	Link #2284
com_gwp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	You guys know what's the best part? In the game, we also had to go through the same thing of piecing together the clues and picking out the true killer from a list of EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER that appeared in the game. Yea. So it's honestly fun that the animation team is following in spirit and giving you guys a week to figure out this. Kudos to them.

2012-03-17, 10:35	Link #2286
zero7090 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	hmm, was there track played during the scene namatame talking with konishi in the game as well? if yes what is its name? btw: doesnt kuma event suppose to be happen before namatame confess everything?

2012-03-17, 18:18	Link #2297
wandering-dreamer reads too much Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: you know that's a great question.....	So someone on the tvtropes thread for this anime has come up with a pretty interesting theory on why/how Nanako revived, end game spoilers though so anime only watchers should avoid (and if the mods want me to remove it I shall). Spoiler for again, end game spoilers are involved in this theory: "Also, about Nanako coming back to life. That wasn't spontaneous. Kill Namatame, she stays dead. Spare him, she revives. It's based on your choice. Considering the final truth of who is responsible for the events of the story leads me to this conclusion: her dying, and Namatame's shadow appearing on the MC even when he wasn't in the TV world was all a big Troll by Izanami to test Yuu's dedication to the truth, and his Hope with a capital H. Reviving Nanako was a reward for his faith." I have to admit that the fact that Nanako only revived when Teddie was leaving makes that theory look less likely here in the anime so this would make a lot of sense. __________________ If it has a plot I have something to say about it! Twitter time!

2012-03-17, 22:19	Link #2300
piccahoe Pain & Determination Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: somewhere in north cali	if it's not ryo then it would be yuu ater ego but it wouldn't make much sense. At first I might of thought it would be Ryo partner except, I think it would be too obvious and it wouldn't be much of a twist. I can only piece the clue to Ryo. That episode pointed it out that that guy had an affair with a news anchor so maybe that was Ryo's wife which would explain why they didn't show her face in the picture, but that still leave the question of why he would kill Nanako. The only reason I could think is ...Nanako isn't really his daughter and was born from the affair. Ouch, I think that's too much of a plot twist.