2010-09-21, 19:35 | Link #9061 | ||
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2010-09-21, 20:27 | Link #9062 | ||
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in other words, half the countries in the world can be part of the lottery, because they ALL have more then 100,000 people a year immigrate to the US. and a green card means the same thing ultimately they get to live and work in the US, which is preferable to living in a 3rd world state.
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2010-09-21, 21:08 | Link #9063 | ||
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2010-09-21, 21:24 | Link #9064 | |
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most 3rd world people would LOVE to immigrate to the US if they could. but since most of the third would cant AFFORD to do so (the US isn't cheap) its more then just a matter of wanting to. plus, its bound to annoy the locals. as for the "dodged" question. if i was offered a chance, i myself would probably pass on it, but i know plenty of people who wouldn't. my main reason for passing, is that the US can't offer me a much better lifestyle then i enjoy now, at least not to the degree that would justify leaving my life behind everything we spent 62 years building up. and those people i mentioned who would move if given the chance, would do so for business reasons (the US presents more opportunity in may fields). i have a quality of life, future prospects, and ideological attachment that make it worth for me to stay in Israel. someone living in the west bank, at best, has the third one.
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2010-09-21, 21:47 | Link #9065 |
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It's kind of sad that American Soldiers killing Civs for sport just isn't a headline that is polarizing enough. If this isn't the call to stop these pointless wars I really don't know what the military could do to convince the warhawks that their efforts have done nothing for our safety at the price of our international reputation.
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2010-09-21, 23:30 | Link #9066 | |
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Our government doesn't seem to be able to restrain itself from "mission creep" which heavily implies the initial reasons we deploy have little to with the actual reasons... :P
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2010-09-22, 00:00 | Link #9067 | |
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So it is not just Iran - what grudge has Israel with Taiwan? I am more suspicious that this is the work of China.
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2010-09-22, 00:17 | Link #9068 |
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Commonwealth Games: More Australian athletes 'may quit'
Things are getting worse. I think India should save face and admit they can't host the games. Rushing the job will only cause alot of accidents for everyone.
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2010-09-22, 00:41 | Link #9069 |
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I did not say it comes from Israel. But your argument is not a disqualifier btw. - just because someone uses a "known" exploit doesn't mean that someone has a grudge against the country of the technologies' origin.
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2010-09-22, 00:49 | Link #9070 | |
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It may not just be a grudge, but rather espionage to gain the blueprints desired technologies. On the other hand, this may be a contracted group of hackers, maybe CDC or similar. Nonetheless, the worm doesn't seem to have this a control or destroy command, it is only meant to disable a system somehow. If it is really Israel which want to mount another Operation Orchard on Bushehr, it is going to be an epic fail and start WWIII.
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2010-09-22, 01:18 | Link #9071 | |
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The attackers knew exactly which operation blocks had to be alterated for the sabotage. OB35 is not used in every PLC program. There are a lot of other conditional triggers in the attack software that are very attack target specific. I wonder how the attackers would know about this without knowing exactly what they are attacking (and for what purpose) - the usage of intelligence could be a very likely scenario here. Such operations typically cannot be tracked back 100% accurate if the investigation is blocked somewhere on state level, so in the end the originating place of the attack software will likely remain a product of speculation.
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2010-09-22, 06:22 | Link #9072 |
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That third one is the most important one to many. Also, a Palestinian state give hope for the first two. I'm not even sure why you're arguing with me about this. It was only part of the reason I found the alleged offer hard to believe was made.
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2010-09-22, 06:44 | Link #9073 | |
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2010-09-22, 07:37 | Link #9074 | ||
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the palestinian cause is the worlds largest charity case, drawing in billions every year. charity only works when the people you gather it for are miserable. hence, the people who run the Palestinian authority have a vested interest in keeping their people miserable in order to keep the cash coming. why kill their cash cow ? in effect, what you have developing in the west bank is a charity dependent welfare state, hence, no quality of life and little prospect of it changing in the future. and its NOT the only part i was arguing about i pointed out that the US has an immigration policy that could theoretically accept such a number of new immigrants over time. Quote:
so its little surprise that this would also be blamed on us.
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2010-09-22, 07:52 | Link #9076 | ||
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2010-09-22, 07:54 | Link #9077 | ||
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that guy in Dubai was killed with such pin point efficiency, that it was over a day before anyone even noticed that he died. zero collateral damage, and zero environmental damage. damaging a working reactor could have massive consequences that can kill thousands of people P.S if the due process was applied towards palestinian terrorists, mossad wouldn't have to hunt them down and kill them. the question wasn't "why did mossad kill him" the question is "why was he allowed to roam free in Dubai". Quote:
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2010-09-22, 08:08 | Link #9079 |
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a state that doesn't daily shoot rockets into nearby Israeli towns.
And it's not unreasonable for Israel to want to make sure that any ships going into Gaza aren't carrying weapons. Israel has bent over backwards to try and make a Palestinian state. Not much has come of it
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2010-09-22, 08:12 | Link #9080 | |
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