2012-02-08, 18:28 | Link #761 | |
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It's not supposed to be cute. And it isn't. It's one of the subtleties that you love so much when the current anime does it - instead of just doing the standard and showing the dead body, they make it clear he's been dealt with by Hisoka through other means, which fit the latter's creepy and unsettling persona. Don't you have enough ammunition against the original anime as it is? Why grasp at straws and go for senseless potshots like that? |
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2012-02-08, 18:51 | Link #762 | |
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I think you might be looking into this too much; there are numerous instances in this past comparison in which I both praise the 1999 series and criticize the 2011 series (vice-versa as well). If you disagree with anything that I've said, come forth and say it--or try to combat my points. I put a lot of work into these comparisons and I'm not going to censor myself because you don't like what I have to say. I'll go into this as we start to learn more about Hisoka, but I think fans do a great disservice to him by defining him solely as a "bloodthirsty killer" or "creepy magician." This is a grown man who ends his sentences in hearts. I think it might help you to understand his character a little better if you read an official translation of the manga. |
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2012-02-08, 19:37 | Link #763 | |||
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But I'm afraid you're a lot more devoted towards and willing to spend more time on defending your preferred version than I am, so I'll just leave it at the issue of your assessment of the 1999 series' decision to have Hisoka wear Geretta's hat. Quote:
Look, I'm aware of what your main problem with the 1999 series is (at least I believe that I am, but go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong). You believe it made everything more black and white, instead of staying true to the open minded moral stance displayed in the manga. But unless you actually believe that Hisoka's not bloodthirsty or that he doesn't kill (in which case you would obviously be wrong), I see no reason as to why I need to educate myself on his character before engaging in a conversation about him with you. |
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2012-02-08, 20:32 | Link #765 |
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I assumed what he meant was that if you won your particular matchup then you passed rather than everyone but one person failing. But suppose its true that you could look at this in a variety of ways. It could be a combination of test of character and a test of skill. Say someone takes a loss to let a friend pass they might also pass because of that, but who the heck knows. Well other than people who have seen the manga and original series .
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2012-02-09, 01:01 | Link #768 | |
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I like the 2011 version too. I've given it almost nothing but praise since episode 6. What I'm arguing against here is people like you, who haven't even watched the 99' series but believe they're in the know and are watching the superior version thanks to Toto's comparisons and nothing else. I understand that you want to feel a sense of loyalty towards the version you're experiencing for the first time, but the fact is that the 99' series did some things very well and Toto here is stepping all over them and convincing you all that the 2011 series is undoubtedly the superior version, when the 99' series had some great episodes as well which I feel people are missing out on by neglecting it in favour of the 2011 version. Oh well, I know I've watched all of HxH, so I can be sure of all of the different version's merits. If you wish to blindly defend the most modern version's merits without even being aware of the previous ones', so be it. |
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2012-02-09, 01:18 | Link #769 |
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Honestly, I had no intention of directly addressing you - maybe my perception is off, but I seem to recall more than a few posters expressing similar opinions to yours. I was remarking more on the intensity of feeling in general than anything specific to what you posted earlier today.
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2012-02-09, 05:17 | Link #770 |
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Hi, this is my first post here. First off all, I wanted to say thank you so much to Toto y Moi for your comparisons. I'm a fan of both the original anime, manga and the remake, but I also see the flaws in all of them, so it makes me happy that I'm not the only one who writes them down. There are a few mistakes in the remake that I wanted to point out (I don't think I've seen anyone point these out, but if I'm repeating something, then I apologize).
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Random: What is up with Hisoka and Illumi's nails? There is no reason at all for them to have long and pointy ones (unless they're going to go around scratching people to death). I can understand why the japanse fans makes fun of it XD (like this fan art, lol). Spoiler for pic:
And another thing: I realized when watching the OP just how much the original anime had changed Killua's personality... and I think it's a bit funny (and ironic) that when Killua appears in the OP, the lyrics goes "you can smile again"... Spoiler for pic2:
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2012-02-09, 07:14 | Link #772 | |
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It amuses me that you accuse someone of bias while yours is quite more obvious here. |
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2012-02-09, 08:51 | Link #775 | |
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Regardless, it amuses me that you have to rely on faulty and presumptuous logic like that in order to try and discredit my opinion. But anyway, it seems like no one can challenge Toto's views here, because if do they're immediately made out to be a villain who can't possibly possess a valid viewpoint, so I'm done addressing her stuff. By all means, continue to perceive her words as the ultimate canon for all that is HxH if it makes you happy. |
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2012-02-09, 11:31 | Link #776 | |
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Second you are not going to win any argument against that person. Its not that we all want the 2011 version to be better or anything like that. Its that this person obviously has put a huge amount of time into each one of his comparisons. He would have to watch each episode, go through each scene, take screen shots, upload, comment ect. Take a couple hours minimum I would say and thats being super on low side. Then to have you come in and say "you are biased and wrong" and when asked to counter his points say you can't be bothered to do it to all and just point out ONE. And this is a comparison. I don't recall seeing a 2011 wins at the bottom ever. But then you come in and say "your wrong and blind, 1999 wins" Its like being in a debate and someone gives a big long speech and your response is "your wrong" Call names and argue with other factors than actual evidence. You don't counter his points you just say your out to get the 1999 version. Sorry but I'm going to back the person who put genuine time and thought into his COMPARISON, again its not a "who's better", but a comparison versus the guy who is just saying "na-uh your wrong" For the most part they seem like "heres what one did, here's what other did, and here's what manga did" most the time the 2011 version is more similar to manga than 99 version. Somehow you seem to be taking offense to that. nostalgia? nostalgia can easily be just 3 years. I probably watched the 99 series only a few years ago too for the first time. I look back on it with fond memories, but I'm enjoying the 2011 version and have a hard time rewatching the 99 series. |
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2012-02-09, 11:57 | Link #777 | |
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Also, this is the farthest that I've gotten consistently in Hunter x Hunter anime. I didn't last long in the 99 version.
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2012-02-09, 12:26 | Link #778 | |
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I've watched the same 1999 version as you. Repeatedly. And quite recent too. so I am very much knowledgeable on bot series. I've read the same comparisons as you, yet I see none of your claims. I don't see where Toto claims the entire 2011 version to be the superior version. What I see is Toto saying that the 2011 version follows the manga more closely (which, a few censors aside, is a fact anyone can see), but that is in no way the same as saying the entire series is better. And nostalgia? Please, there's no minimum time limit for nostalgia. All you need is to be nostalgic towards a show is to have watched a previous version somewhere in the past. |
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2012-02-09, 12:50 | Link #779 |
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> presumptuously discredits my views by blindly accusing me of only preferring the 1999 version due to nostalgia
> goes on to complain about my alleged "wild and inaccurate accusations" Keep the hypocrisy coming. And the reason people are "ganging up" on me is quite simple: white knighting. Which is particularly uncalled for here, because the person they're white knighting is perfectly capable of defending herself. |
2012-02-09, 13:08 | Link #780 | |
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Again, people are not 'ganging up.' They see something wrong, and call you out on it. You claim to be right? Then prove you are right. |
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