2010-07-19, 16:00 | Link #14201 | |
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And... since EP3moeBeato calls someone (probably Kinzo) grandfather and rosaBeatrice calls it Father she is probably her son and the game master (who is told by Zepar and Furfur to be 19 and as a matter of fact rosaBeatrice died 19 years ago, so it is possible for her to have given birth to a daughter that did not lived in Kuwadorian, since it was not a secure place anymore after rosaBeatrice's death) In that moment Beatrice did not want to reveal anything (in my theory because she started to doubt whether he was really the Battler she met six years ago), maybe she was voluntarily referring to the other Battler (which is the one killed by Natsuhi), even though she did not know which was in front of her, the real Battler or the other Battler. That is because she thaught that the Battler she had met six years ago was Asumu's son, but then she understand she is wrong (after Ange's death scene). And as it regard the "Six years ago FOR ME, no person CALLED Beatrice existed.", it is a hint to pony theory. No one called Beatrice existed for him since the one she met was called Shannon, even though it was not Shannon, but Beatrice. Always in my opinion. Sorry, but I did not explain it well xD You find everything in my theory post if you're interested, even though I have to update it >_>
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2010-07-19, 16:09 | Link #14203 | |
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There is also the issue with thinking that this is ONLY about the mystery of Rokkenmanji, if as a reader you are only looking at the tale as a means to solve the answer, you are little different than Erika who only is looking for a puzzle to shatter. A simple truth is that Ryukishi will reveal the whole mystery in the end, but if all you are looking for is one answer to the entire mystery then you are missing the "trip there". |
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2010-07-19, 16:21 | Link #14204 | |
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Of course, as far as anyone in 1998 knows, there weren't any murders. Only non-credible people think otherwise, and the only person who would know (Eva) refused to ever talk about it.
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2010-07-19, 16:25 | Link #14205 | |
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2010-07-19, 17:03 | Link #14206 |
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Actually... it's make sense if ep1 and ep2 are the message bottles, while ep3 is Hachijo's attempt to write a similar story only with Eva as the culprit (like the popular theory going around).
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2010-07-19, 17:06 | Link #14207 | |
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2010-07-19, 17:14 | Link #14209 | |
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However George says something a long the lines of that he's prepared everything back home so he can be gone for 3 days due to the Typhoon.
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2010-07-19, 17:19 | Link #14212 | |
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From that it's pretty clear that it's a single-sleepover weekend event where you arrive Saturday morning and come back home Sunday evening. I expect that it is traditionally held on the first weekend of October. Unless you're referring to conversations, which are also called "conference" in the text.
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2010-07-19, 17:56 | Link #14214 |
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When exactly did the family find out that the typhoon was definitely going to keep them on the island until Monday? That's the absolute earliest any kind of timed mechanism could have been set up. If it's late enough on Saturday that we can start pinning people's movements down, we might be able to rule out a lot of suspects.
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2010-07-19, 18:03 | Link #14215 | |
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It is entirely dependent upon a few things. One, if the entire family is meant to perish, then it is reliant on something forcing them to stay longer than they were planning. Yes, the weather tends to get bad this time of year, but if you're going to the trouble of planting a high level of explosives on the island to kill off this family, you're going to rely on a little bit more than "maybe the weather will be so bad they can't come back". Let's break down this line of thought a little. In order to make the plan work, you would have to do more than just gamble on the weather. You would have to do three things, to be exact. - Make sure that the boatman is unable to pick them up at the appointed time. (Also make sure that anyone else that might know is equally unable to pick them up.) - After the boatman is unable to pick them up, make sure the outside lines are cut so that they can't arrange different transportation on their own end. This might have been actually done. - Make sure that there are no boats or modes of transportation for them to leave the island themselves. Even one person getting off the island means that they might be able to arrange to have the others picked up before the bomb explodes. Now, it's sort of interesting, because the LAST thing you want to do in this situation is start murdering people. Creating even the illusion of murder means people are going to be trying to get off the island if they can think of a way to do so. The only reason I can think of for creating the illusion of murder is to hide the things you've done like cutting the lines and sabotaging boats. (Because a murderer automatically has a reason to do things like that. A random person? Significantly less so.) Another thing to consider is that the family dying WAS an accident, and the original targets were just those that live on the island. I think there are a few things that imply that the other people on the island were not originally supposed to be targets of the bomb. One is the mysterious letter that Ange gets. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all of the letters were addressed to actual people that were on the island, right? Provided that everyone was able to leave the island before the bomb exploded, as would have originally been the plan, everyone would have gotten a letter addressed to them a few days later with a significant amount of money waiting for them. I find that line of thought sort of interesting, but I can't quite figure out what it means.
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2010-07-19, 18:15 | Link #14216 | |
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Which makes me think that the explosion is actually multistaged, a single, smaller explosion that is calculated to look like an accident is only meant to demolish the mansion itself, or even less, and probably nothing else. It inevitably but unexpectedly triggers a different disaster (which can be an explosion in turn, like the hypothetical underground military stockpile, or can be volcanic in nature, though that seems a bit less likely) which actually changes terrain. Rosa in Ep2 actually escapes the first by being in the chapel, but dies from the second. There's actually a theory of Krauss bomber to account for this -- a group suicide.
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2010-07-19, 18:20 | Link #14217 | |
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2010-07-19, 18:31 | Link #14218 | |
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So the secondary disaster can be a large fire, a volcano explosion, an actual explosives store explosion, or even a landslide, and we don't really have enough information to conclude which it was. The best way to create the primary explosion that I can think of is blowing up tanks of gas stocked up for the winter, which would tear the mansion itself apart nicely, especially if done properly.
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2010-07-19, 18:32 | Link #14219 |
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I just want to clarify where this theory of a bomb has come from? I *get* it, but I'm not understanding what the basis was for this theory to come about? Was there any reference to a bomb-like thing happening in the VN's that I've just missed?
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2010-07-19, 18:34 | Link #14220 |
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If there is a raging forest fire, it'd explain why the only viable source of cover is Kuwadorian, I guess.
Forgotten explosive stockpile/ unexploded bombs also work, I guess. Hey... so this means that people WERE actually killed by a small bomb! EDIT: Well, it's difficult to think of another reason why all of the buildings would be wiped off the map by the time Ange visits in 1998... |
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