2011-12-17, 00:35 | Link #4941 | |
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Two whole months of getting caught in red tapes... Thinking about that makes Nanoha`s happiness over her students rather... WEIRD. Life at the Bureau as usual, it seems. The panic of catching the Hulks ASAP from the attack on the Esquad is gone.
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2011-12-17, 00:48 | Link #4942 | |
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And it shows they would have killed him because it was their job, not because they go out of their way to kill random survivors that just happen in be in the area.
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Fate was going around shooting kittens and beating up Nanoha. The Wolkenritter were going around attacking mages and stealing their magic. If you just looked at the 'what' obviously they appear as horrible people. But when you factor in the why you can see that there's much more to it than that. Never disregard the why. Why do the Huckebien kill? Because they have to in order to live. It's not due to some ingrained evil, but an external factor compelling them to do so. You expect Thoma to go "They kill so they're irredeemable evil trash" but he knows better than anyone that it's the virus's fault. So why wouldn't he want to try to convince others like him that there has to be another way, and that they should look for that way? We know Thoma has enough power to make the others pay attention to him.
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2011-12-17, 01:13 | Link #4943 |
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Shouldn't that still make him lean towards no, though? It's a very small step above rampant murder, and it involves deciding how much your life is worth to snuff out. Going 'aw, don't worry, now we DEFINITELY won't kill you' doesn't put much of a band-aid on that.
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2011-12-17, 01:23 | Link #4944 | |
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Remember Nanoha's words when dealing with unreasonable people? "I'm going to make you stop and listen." Stop and listen. Stop. People seem to forget that part. When Fate refused to listen to her, did she just nag Fate with "hey, please listen to me" until the blond complied? No, she tried to stop her since those Jewel Seeds are very dangerous. When the Wolkenritter refused to explain themselves, did she end with sending them strongly-worded letters? No, she tried to stop them since they're causing trouble. Focus on the "why"s after these people are safe behind bars when they can no longer do harm. There will be plenty of time for talk then.
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2011-12-17, 01:26 | Link #4945 |
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How he 'should' feel doesn't matter. He's grateful for what they did for him and he doesn't think they're completely terrible people.
And where, exactly, did anyone say they shouldn't be stopped? Knowing the why makes it that much easier to stop them.
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2011-12-17, 01:36 | Link #4946 | ||
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My point is that I don't care about knowing the why's, it's useless. Maybe they want to save their dying, cancer-stricken kitten; maybe they need seasoning to eat their kitten with. Every criminal in history has their why's and that never stopped them.
Here's the only use of the "why": cold, hard intel. Knowing their background in an attempt to discern their movement and better formulate on how to defeat them. That's it. Whatever sob story out there? Let the rehabilitation folks handle that. MS6 are magical SWAT/GSG-9, not psychiatrists. Quote:
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2011-12-17, 02:11 | Link #4950 |
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Yep, clearly it not making sense is purely because of the character and nothing else. I could accept it as him just being irrational if he just thought it would get him closer to who really destroyed his home, but apparently that's not why? He's barely mentioned it for a while, really.
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2011-12-17, 02:17 | Link #4951 | |
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When he learns the hard way that words alone can't change some people he will smack the Hulks heads and make them listen to him xD! Subaru already graduated from befriending school with honors by befriending her own sister with a divine Buster in the gut xD! Tohma is still attending "Befriending 101" xD
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2011-12-17, 02:53 | Link #4952 |
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Uh, about Thoma. I dunno if this has been mentioned already, but we seem to forget that he is basically a different species from Team Nanoha--and the same as the Hucks. That would at least partially explain his attachment to them... He also experienced the Slaughter Compulsion (twice IIRC), so he probably thinks "if I dismiss them as evil, that makes me also evil, because it all in my body" (it probably isn't but how should he know?).
Now I know that the series has a long track of anti-speciism and everyone is treated as human unless they are a Complete Monster, but the different species angst has also been a big thing once (remember Fate angsting in A's about not being human and Lindy setting the record straight). And Signum has been so kind to remind him about his difference from the rest of the good guys just recently. *coughSilverDaggercough*
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2011-12-17, 06:51 | Link #4954 | ||||
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What, you mean you weren't expecting this the moment you saw the loli? You know the team with the loli ends up at least partially converted. It's a Nanoha standard.
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The same goes for Fate's new blades, which held their own against Eclipse fighters just fine. So that makes at least three of the weapons successful prototypes. Quote:
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2011-12-17, 11:54 | Link #4955 | |
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Sword Breaker is a more cloear sucess because it works not only once but twice the second time against freakin Tohma. But well, let's take your word and say there are two successfull AEC-Equipements, still Vita wasn't able to do much with that rocket on a stick besides knocking at the Huckebein's door xDU. 5th Gen Bardiche was the most notorious success but the credit goes to another project and not the AEC experiment. Which is good as the 5th Gen seems to be a more reliable solution to the Eclipse crisis, a solution more true to the principles of Magic that allow mages to keep fighting like mages(or Tsuzuki simply thinks Fate's powerset is too cool to be replaced, at least i agree with him on that one xD). Following the trend that Caledfwich is only toying with the bureau and the revealed AEC-equipement is only part of their scheme, i theorize the 5th Gen Device project is an attempt of the TSAB to make their own independent brand of weapons that allow them to keep fighting menaces while still mantaining their code as also to avoid being dependant of military corporations that more likely will have less humanitary goals and interests. And now a question... ...are Armed Devices too outdated to receive 5th Gen treatement? i'm looking at you Laevatein -_-
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2011-12-17, 12:50 | Link #4957 |
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Well, the "ancient weapons" trope finally got subverted hard in Force(even the Dividers/Strosek are new technology xDU). So i'll guess it's time for an upgrade, we even got a bit of lampshade from 5th Gen Bardiche's 1st NEXT design xDU. But nope, it was only teasing, as always xDU.
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