2006-09-10, 20:37 | Link #21 | |
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Yes I echo your sentiments exactly. I would be very surpurised if when Naruto and sasuke meet, that one would p0Wn the other, they will be similar. Just right now, it's hard to tell how much cheese Kishi is gonna put into Sasuke... 1) CS2 (more?) 2) A powerful "that Jutsu" 3) Kusangi 4) Chidori Nagasaki or whatever 5) Genjutsu like crazy - going into Naruto's mind and suppressing Kyuubi 6) Kinjutsu 7) And dang it my goodness Drugs. Really, think about that. Sasuke is on Drugs, that's pretty sorry 8) Oh yea the Sharingan --> Its hard to tell how crazy Kishi is making Sasuke. Seriously... Itachi must be so crazy... |
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2006-09-10, 21:05 | Link #23 |
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Hunter & S-class bring up a lot of good points. Sasuke just has too many uber jutsus and power-ups. In addition to the techniques S-class listed, if Sasuke's been training under Oro it's a good chance he knows jutsu like Hidden Snake Hands and summoning the Rashoumon gates. All we've seen from Yamato is Mokuton. Mokuton is a very versatile jutsu but we've seen that Yamato tires when he uses it extensively. However, the cursed seal also gives Sasuke chakra reserves comparable to that of the Kyuubi's (at least lvl 1 anyway) meaning he'll be able to outlast Yamato stamina-wise in an extended battle.
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2006-09-10, 21:55 | Link #24 | ||
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And I checked the chapter of Chidori Nagashi. If the given range of the jutsu is correct, it wasn't able to fully shred the main body of the wooden stick. It is possible, at least for some part, that Yamato tried to create small branches from that main branch, and the shreding that you were talking about might correspond to the fall of that pieces created by Yamato (I am not sure about that). However, if it was able to shred something that thick, and wouldn't even cause a small scratch or tearing on the clothing, then it is hard to know what the mangaka thinks. Still, if Yamato's serious mode would create trees similar to what Shodai created during Sandaime's fight, I don't think Sasuke's new Chidori will be able to give a lot damage. Quote:
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2006-09-10, 22:41 | Link #25 | |
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2006-09-10, 22:56 | Link #26 | |
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2006-09-10, 23:28 | Link #27 | |
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So, in essence, no, Yamato without opening gates does not have similar use of Chakra as someone that uses up forcefully their reserves, in this case Opening gates or using the CS. I don't agree with the whole "the ones who have more durability in terms of chakra is the one who wins", given that NInja battle have been implied to last short period of time, so one of the opponents should be defeated before either of the Ninjas is out of chakra/stamina. not to mention we don't even know who has a larger chakra pool of Sasuke or Yamato.
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Naruto could fully transform into a fox monster, his skin torn off, and bleeding, yet his clothes were still intact when it was over. Quote:
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2006-09-11, 02:44 | Link #29 |
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Don't compare Yamato to Shodai >.>
Yamato was chosen for the mission because he could supress kyuubi-brat. Sasuke would kill Yamato. Being able to do it without CS2 would be questionable but once in CS2 he probably wouldn't have any trouble. |
2006-09-11, 03:36 | Link #31 | |
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2006-09-11, 05:30 | Link #33 | |
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I think its safe to "assume" that Sasuke Cursed Seal is history...Sasuke was turning into a demon real fast...there is no way he trained 3 years even with his cursed seal.. Both Naruto & Sasuke had to sacrifice their special abilities...Kyuubi & Cursed Seal.. Now they will reveal their true power...their own power...so far Sasuke looks to be in lead (pretty clear) compared to Naruto
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2006-09-11, 05:33 | Link #34 | |
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Where as he doesn't have to trains since Orochimaru was around probably learned enough to go without, when he did need to use it for a short time it just boosts the level he is currently at dramatically. I'm still worried what Kakashi said about it though. Last edited by Rachy; 2006-09-11 at 05:50. |
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2006-09-11, 06:33 | Link #35 | |
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What I meant is that the wood isn't pure chakra but something controled by chakra hence the sharingan should be able understand what's going on. Yamato can probably strengthen his wood just as Sasuke should be able to strenghten the destructive power of his attack. Also Sasuke was shown bleeding after he charged the Sand Egg without Sharingan, when he activated it the Sand Spike didn't even scratch him. The part of Yamato's wood which entered into the range of the Chidori Nagashi was destroyed and there is absolutely nothing suggesting the creation of small branches and Sasuke was also able to pass through Yamato's wood thanks to eitheir sheer strength or his sword (I should take a look at the sfx maybe they confirm what he did) so I don't see any problem for this particular point. As for the cloths I don't know why you're surprised, it usually take stuff like fully charged Chidori or Rasengan to put a scratch on them. All in all my sole point here is that Sasuke has showed the right tools to avoid and/or destroy wood attack (Sharingan, Katon, Raiton, speed, sword, the unknown aoe jutsu he used to destroy a large part of the ground in his room). After that anything can happen and it's only up to Kishimoto to decide the outcome of course. |
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2006-09-11, 10:21 | Link #36 | |
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Anyway, that is just a matter of opinion, but for your chakra example, I don't really see the difference between pure chakra, and something that carries chakra. In humans Sharingan was able to predict movements because they can capture muscle movements etc. But, in the case of wooden spikes, if they are formed in a random manner, just like the chakra extensions, I don't see how Sharingan was able to predict its movement (a better choice of word will be generation). If something comes directly at the person, even someone without Sharingan can easily dodge that. Also, for Sasuke avoiding sand spikes, I don't have the anime version with me, so I cannot be sure of, but in the manga, Sasuke is only shown to have Sharingan after he finished charging with Chidori. Logically, he has to have Sharingan activated at least while he was using Chidori, but we aren't shown that and given a closer look to his eyes. His eyes were shown all black all those times. So, I am not sure whether you can for sure say that Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan when he charged at the sand spikes. Quote:
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2006-09-11, 12:20 | Link #38 | |
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We don't know Yamato's chakra capacity but we do know that using a very powerful mokuton or doton justu (like the one he used to extend Naruto's training bridge) tires him out. I think Yamato using a mokuton like Shodai's where he's manipulating the branches with his chakra would quickly wear him out. Sasuke can use Katon jutsus all day, and he's probably up to at least 4 chidori (rakiri?) uses a day, since that's Kakashi's limit. This is without calling on the CS. Using CS, he can probably extend those limits. Last edited by Sabaku Kyu; 2006-09-11 at 12:33. |
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2006-09-11, 12:49 | Link #39 | |
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Good point on stamina/chakara. But, remember, Yamato was tired out mostly from all suppression and he was doing for Naruto, not b/c of that mokuton jutsu. Before the training started he seemlessly made a waterfall! So Yamato, being able to perform such a jutsu even in that state actually says that he has good stamina and chakara capacity. As for Sasuke and CS... 1) If he truly doesn't care about losing himself to Orochimaru, then it really doesn't matter if he used in training or not. I suspect though, that for training purposes CS is usually unneccessary. 2) like many here, I suspect Sasuke might have a change of heart and prb didn't use CS thinking "just in case i want to live my life" |
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2006-09-11, 12:58 | Link #40 | |
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And this is reffering to that by the time Yamato end up using all his chakra Sasuke would sitll had the reserves he can use wiht CS, thus SAsuke has an edge over Yamato because of this.
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