2009-10-07, 18:51 | Link #201 |
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Haruka obviously dated Itsuki because of his resemblance of Ayato.
I got a question I always wondered though...Did Haruka ever sleep with Isshiki? I mean...the time where he was blackmailing her and she would visit him at night? He is a bit of a pervert after all.
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2009-10-07, 19:49 | Link #202 |
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I've actually heard this theory before but I have never really gotten than impression from watching the show. The one time we see him proposition her she completely ignores it. Not only that it would seem odd after seeing what happened between Sayako and Itsuki when she slept with Isshiki for "his sake" had to make her realize there is a line that you don't need to push. One of the big themes of Rahxephon is about being honest and how lies come back to haunt you so I don't see them letting her get away with sleeping with Isshiki and still having a happy ending with Ayato. That kind of betrayal of Ayato also doesn't really seem in Haruka's character and Ixtli had a fair amount of control over Isshiki actions at that point so having Haruka sleep with him seems a bit, if not completely, unnecessary.
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I can see Haruka sleeping with Isshiki actually for Ayato's sake...not sure :| Of course, I'm hoping I'm wrong...
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2009-10-07, 20:28 | Link #204 | |
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The writing on paper incident is the one I was pointing out as the time she ignores his proposition. He gets writes the note, she ignores it while staring ahead, he gets mad and tells her to leave, and then his blond friend (forgot her name) makes fun of him for always trying to possess the things that Itsuki likes. I can't really she her doing it for Ayato sake because that would put her on Sayako's level of betrayals and having good come out of it would really be pointless to show any sort of moral. Haruka wasn't a saint but she doesn't seem a fool either.
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2009-10-07, 21:02 | Link #205 | |
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I remember reading about this theory somewhere in a particular review long ago, but haven't got to finish the series by that time, that's how I noticed. The reason the theory about Haruka sleeping with Isshiki came to my mind then was when Itsuki told Ayato "Haruka has good reasons for being with Isshiki" and also when her friend (forgot her name), told her "You're the right hand man of the white snake guy now?...so you can do anything to protect the one you love." and Haruka looked down seemingly in pain. I also found it strange when Isshiki told Haruka she can be the governor of Tokyo when he destroys the barrier. Then, there was this particular conversation that striked me between Haruka and Ixtil... Haruka: "What Makoto Isshiki said is correct. All human relationships are built upon interests." Ixtil: "But relationships built on interests have their own aesthetics." Haruka: "His happiness is my profit." Ixtil: "He has not realized that yet. He might not realize that forever, then Haruka will become alone forever." Maybe that was a way for Ixtil to open her mind for what she's doing?
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2009-10-07, 21:40 | Link #206 |
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None of that really implies them sleeping together though. She did sacrifice a lot for Ayato sake. Most notably her friendships with the other crewmembers. The only two people who seemed to have supported Isshiki were Haruka and Souichi when he became commander. He needed their support to keep people in line so he'd certainly be thankful for them later on that doesn't mean he slept with either though. Kim and Souichi's relationship was likewise on rocky ground at the time because of his support of Isshiki.
The conversation with Ixtli was all about her relationship with Ayato. Their relationship is built on interests. Ayato's happiness is her profit. Ayato might not realize it and cause her to be alone forever. The last line makes it clear who the "him and he" is referring to and its definitely not Isshiki. I don't see either thinking that her sleeping with Isshiki would bring Ayato happiness especially when it's so easy to avoid going to such lengths while still accomplishing her goal. Why would he fire one of the only people he thought supported him?
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2009-10-07, 22:49 | Link #207 | |
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I like the theory that she never slept with him, I always went by it and always will. I feel like watching the movie again, now that I finished the last episode.
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2010-10-20, 13:10 | Link #211 |
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This is quite possibly the greatest anime series of all time. I've series with a similar plot direction that, while overall successful, didn't quite get every thing right. Almost every note RahXephon struck with me was a good one. It was mysterious enough to intrigue me and keep me watching, but straightforward when it counted. I even liked figuring out certain plot points that were intentionally left cryptic to the viewer (like figuring out the connection between Reika and Haruka by about episode 6).
My favorite plot point of all would have to be the relationship between Ayato and Haruka. My god is it beautiful. High school sweet hearts with a complicated relationship and a massive age gap surrounded by the impending apocalypse and they still manage to find their way into each other's hearts. Haruka is one of my favorite anime characters of all time, just because of how strong, capable, and beautiful she is, yet still very vulnerable and human. You don't see good writing like this in action every day. This anime right here set the bar that very few could live up to. Even such that I coined the phrase "It may be good, but it ain't no RahXephon." |
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Thought I might as well post about this one too:
RahXephon is getting an Japanese BD Box set next month (amazon, cdjapan, yesasia). Spoiler for Box pictures from amazon:
Not particularly extravagant extras, so rather expensive at over 40,000yen...but I'd guess that a US release might be on the cards if the original did well. But did it?
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2011-01-29, 16:35 | Link #214 |
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So nice to see this anime still getting love from everyone.
Ixtili I STILL have major love for - she's the best avatar for a giant world-remaking mecha I've ever had the pleasure of viewing. Her mindscrew of Isshiki was just ... legendary. And it does help that she was voiced by Maaya Sakamoto - woman has a lovely singing voice.
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Now that I think about it, it's been 6 years since I watched this series and posted in this thread.. time sure flies. I think I'll re-watch the series when I have time. I haven't been keeping up with anime lately.
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