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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 34 | 28.57% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 29.41% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 37 | 31.09% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 10.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.84% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-11-28, 18:15 | Link #181 | |
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Where Kayneth's in the wrong is in his assumptions about Lancer's character. Because as far as being jealous over a fiancée who clearly has the hots for another man goes, he's got more than enough motivation for it. Sola herself has given him said motivation by not being able to keep her hormones in check. |
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2011-11-28, 18:18 | Link #182 | |
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It's not the fact that she secured their chances of victor by getting Kayneth out of the way, and becoming Lancer's master that defines her as a despicable person. It's the way she did it. Sure Thess said that Kayneth was being petty because he was withholding the seals. In all honesty his protest was minimal, and you have to understand this man just woke up from a coma realizing he's a veggie and the love of his life is asking permission to abandon him for a sexier more awesome man. Besides no one here is justifying Kayneth as a person. Just because Sola's a bitch doesn't make Kayneth NOT a douche. Just because she's being horrible to a horrible person doesn't make her actions any less horrible. Pointing fingers don't make you any less guilty. A few people pointed out that she could've shown some real genuine support, be a bit nicer to Kayneth instead of losing her patience so soon. You can use time is of the essence argument but I'm pretty sure she's got a lot of malice in her...just look at them eyes. People aren't forgetting her position in the war, people aren't forgetting that she doesn't love Kayneth, people aren't forgetting that Kayneth is an ass too. We all know that, she's still a bitch. I'm also surprised that she voluntarily did not resist the curse. Love at first sight? The most shallow of all love....the most sex hormone driven of them all. So she can actually resist his curse NOW? Or is this like a one time thing, the second she sees the mole she gets it. |
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2011-11-28, 18:21 | Link #183 | |
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2011-11-28, 18:27 | Link #184 | |
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I mean hell, Lancer is a fucking sexy man, I'd go gay for him too. Pierce me Gae dolg (spelling?) |
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2011-11-28, 18:45 | Link #185 | |
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He made impression that Gae Buidhe was just a normal spear by throwing it away, and during the fight hid it beneath the dusts and rubble. When Saber was charging at him with a full prana burst, that's when he Kicked up Gae Buidhe as a surprise attack. Also the MAIN reason for Invisible Air was that Excalibur was TOO FAMOUS of a sword, and easily recognizable. Since concealing the true nature of the Noble Phantasms and Identity was important even for honorable Knights, the Invisible Air was used to conceal the sword's identity. Even someone as arrogant as Gilgamesh didn't reveal his name, unless somebody figured it out. |
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2011-11-28, 18:46 | Link #186 | ||
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It was pretty much the equivalent of a child's tantrum, even if he reasoned that it was logical to give them to Sola. Sola treated him as a child, in the novels. You're right, it wasn't properly animated because it made her seen all crazy-looking, when she should have looked patronizing. Spoiler for novel scene:
Yes, she was extreme, but he seemed out of it. Like I said, neither of them were the best people in these circumstances. Quote:
If Kayneth had gotten his hormones in check, then the scene wouldn't have happened. Lancer's actions were stupid too, even if I sympathize with this guy more than those two I openly admit it. ETA: This fanart explains it all: Spoiler for perfection:
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2011-11-28, 19:01 | Link #187 | |
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(That was his ENTIRE PRIDE, being a powerful mage is basically what every mage at the Clock Tower lives for. Magecraft is so damn important to the mages that practically NO Mages are willing to follow the Magi Association's order after receiving a Sealing Designation [if your powers are unique enough, the Magi Association basically have the right to keep you as a prisoner or labrat to study you]) In fact, the magi obsession with their magecraft leads to one of the reasons Touko hates her sister so much. Being suspicious of Sola is definitely not going to make the logic anymore convincing to him. By the way, the passage you bolded out is HER IMPRESSION of what Kayneth is (and the Reader's impression of HER). Not necessarily describing Kayneth. |
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2011-11-28, 19:08 | Link #188 | |
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The passage I bolded is Kaneyth's impression, since that part is from HIS POV. Hers comes later when she's seeking Lancer, while Lancer's comes last in that chapter.
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2011-11-28, 19:14 | Link #189 | |
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and Sola, did she's realize it? by take command spell as lancer master, Kiritsugu will be coming for her next as he want lancer disappear ASAP. Kiritsugu is like freaky assassin with his info network find her is simple matter of time. |
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2011-11-28, 19:17 | Link #190 | |
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2011-11-28, 19:17 | Link #191 | |
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and no, the passage you bolded is written in THIRD person, with no indication that was Kayneth's though. The entire book was written in Third Person |
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2011-11-28, 19:33 | Link #192 | |
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His real reason behind it is his inadequacy as a man in Sola's eyes and his paranoia to stop "Lancer's betrayal" (which relates to the same thing: his jealousy). The entire passage gave introspection to Kayneth's reasoning, yes it's third person, but it's not omniscient third person POV (aka it's NOT Sola's view), but close to Alternating person view. Yes, it was written in third person, but we saw through his POV and not hers. The cut later is on Sola's introspection (it describes her feelings and thoughts rather than external reactions). To end in Lancer's POV of things, that easily describes his thoughts and feelings. The three character are flawed and made good and poor choices.
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2011-11-28, 19:38 | Link #193 | |||
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You mean his "hormones" for his fiance? Yeah, what a vulgar bastard, acting out on his feelings for his future wife. Totally the same as Sola and her acting out on her feelings for the first handsome stranger that comes her way while already betrothed to Kayneth. Last edited by Vicious108; 2011-11-28 at 19:54. |
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2011-11-28, 20:43 | Link #195 |
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Hey guys, Is Fate Zero going to end soon? So far they are on Volume 2 - The Mad Feast of Kings ACT - 8
We have two more volumes and that's it, so I guess this anime will have the total of 20 - 24 episodes. According to this: http://baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero |
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2011-11-28, 21:16 | Link #198 | ||
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At best you can say Sola's actions are reasonable from her point of view, but being reasonable alone does not make her actions justified. Her threat to Kayneth is unacceptable from a moral point of view. |
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2011-11-28, 21:23 | Link #199 |
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I'm assuming that they will extend the episodes a little bit and they will come up with 20 or 24 episodes. I hope they will not come up with 12-13 episodes of course .
As I said so far they are on Volume 2 ACT 8 and this is the 9th episode There are 4 Volumes which basically means that if everything continues in the same way when they reach 18th episode we will be very close to the end. Eventually, they will extend the episodes a little bit which I assume that they will make like 4 more episodes and that's all. I really want to watch this anime for at least two months Edit: I Checked and It looks like we'll enjoy 4 more episodes of Fate Zero and then we will wait until April when Fate Zero 2 starts, so yeah the total of episodes will be like 24-25, but they will be in 2 season, so each of them will have like 12 or 13 episodes. Last edited by Marik; 2011-11-28 at 21:35. |
2011-11-28, 21:39 | Link #200 | |||||
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If they quit, Lancer is gone (have you forgotten this small detail?). Sola loves Lancer. Like hell she wants him to die. Which yes, is irrational of her to feel this way as a tool of a magi family. Tsk. Quote:
"Shallow crush"? There you go again with baseless assumptions. Kayneth notices is not something superficial at all (if you read his observations). THIS is why it bothers him. Not because she's crushing on a handsome man, but because she has truly fallen in love. Just like Gráinne, she's staking her life and comfortable position for the sake of love. That was the point of the resemblance in their pleading eyes. Sola's feelings for Lancer are as genuine as Kayneth's for hers. The three of them are completely dysfunctional with each others. Sola emotionally hurts Kayneth who wounds Lancer who wounds Sola. Yet somehow you qualify her motivations as "shallow crush". Like I said before, the whole twisting him only psychologically wound him, there was no physical pain at all. The whole scene was to portray how horrifyingly unrequited everyone's feelings were. *shrugs* Quote:
Yes, it's the same. His irrational jealousy turned him against a servant, who he should trust in this situation (The WAR, hello). Like her irrational love turned her against her fiance, who she should be a little more thoughtful about in this situation, because hey they are allies, not out of love here. Lancer's honor/wish/loyalty turned against his purpose as a Servant, by turning down Sola's mastership. Pinning the fault on Sola is hilarious and unfair. When the three of them are a recipe for disaster. Quote:
Sola's had many reasons, too. Or else she would have immediately spent a command spell to force Lancer to love her. Love was her main motivation, obviously, otherwise she wouldn't have been compared to Gráinne. The thing is, those reasons were kind of dimmed when came to the emotional ones. Most of these traditional Magi are sorta inept with their feelings. Quote:
From a normal moral point of view, her threat to sever his arm is also wrong. From a magi point of view, both are justifiable and excusable.
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