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gangsta905_04 · 2004-10-02, 21:09

i love you bones..DONT LISTEN TO PROTOMAN!!!!

Wrath · 2004-10-02, 21:46

Wow.. i haven't seen it yet but i think i'm not gonna like it much..
The way it ends just fells incomplete, but i have to see it to say it better..
What is that al lost his memory ?! that is horrible :S at least the other characters can tell him about all that happened on that time.. but now can he perform no circle alchemy?
Well, i'm looking foward to a raw or a fansubbed version.. and to the movie too.
It could have ended better but well... that's how it is..
PS: Excuse my english xD

dew · 2004-10-02, 22:20

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Originally Posted by The Small One

Well, for Ed a lot of time seems to have passed, but on Al's side it could have only been obne or two years, so this would be the first case.

About Dante and Gluttony: I think it's for sure, that Dante is dead. I mean even if she managed to kill Gluttony, the elevator was empty when it arrived, and the only way out was through the hole in the bottom... and I doubt Dante could survive such a fall... Gluttony on the other hand could have survived, if he managed to eat Dante in time.

Could Dante have crossed the Gate? I know Rose's baby wasn't around, but the gate is still within every human in that world, so I'm sure it's possible that she summoned it.

Yxy · 2004-10-02, 22:50

Does anyone remember the words inside Ed's State Alchemist watch?

"Don't forget
3.Oct.10"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ted/3oct10.png

(lifted off the FMA LJ)

neoko · 2004-10-02, 23:30

Well i think we all just got sooo caught up the "oh! no i hope the ending isn't bad" that a normal ending is given more credit then it deserves. I totally agree with protoman on this one.

A good series, well made and built up in 50 episodes and to tie half the knots up in 1 episode? You know what would of been better? A massive battle royale in the opera house thingy for 2 - 3 episdoes and another 1 for roy fighting with his marvellous powers.

And of course, one last one just to show how the people are getting on, even if it's 5 minutes it's still better. So in my opinion - it's rushed, and couldn't bring out the full potential. I don't want the series to depend on the movie to tie up its wrongs, because the series is a seperate thing and i wish they didn't pack so much into the last episode like every other bones series.

Then again, i liked the rahxephon's ending, and all the other animes made by bones as mentioned, i just wish they took some of the fillers out and use that time to achieve a better ending.

Guido · 2004-10-02, 23:43

Anybody knows the title for the last episode? or was it never given away?

Yxy · 2004-10-03, 02:07

First read this,

http://www.livejournal.com/community...t/1068871.html

Then this

http://www.livejournal.com/community...t/1075774.html

Don't worry, no spoilers inside. Try not to choke though

Lavender · 2004-10-03, 05:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoko

Well i think we all just got sooo caught up the "oh! no i hope the ending isn't bad" that a normal ending is given more credit then it deserves. I totally agree with protoman on this one.

A good series, well made and built up in 50 episodes and to tie half the knots up in 1 episode? You know what would of been better? A massive battle royale in the opera house thingy for 2 - 3 episdoes and another 1 for roy fighting with his marvellous powers.

And of course, one last one just to show how the people are getting on, even if it's 5 minutes it's still better. So in my opinion - it's rushed, and couldn't bring out the full potential. I don't want the series to depend on the movie to tie up its wrongs, because the series is a seperate thing and i wish they didn't pack so much into the last episode like every other bones series.

Then again, i liked the rahxephon's ending, and all the other animes made by bones as mentioned, i just wish they took some of the fillers out and use that time to achieve a better ending.

In my opinion, I think it was a pretti good ending. I agree on what you are saying about the ending being only normal and the fact that people think it's so great is more or less because it was not as bad as everyone thought it would have been. But I dun "totally HATE the ending" like protoman, I like it~

I think we can all agree that the last arc/part of FMA was rushed. It could have been better, the last 5 or so eps could have been better, and there were parts where I went

as well (like how they pulled that 2-world concept in the very last eps. Some people predictied it, but still I thought something as big-scale as a world setting would be better introduced early on). Some filler eps in the earlier part of the series could have been shortened or taken out, then some more important parts towardz the end could have room to be explored further.

However, even with that in mind I wouldnt have wanted to see the part in the opera house turned into a long massive battle that takes up 2 or 3 episodez; and I would rather NOT have another whole ep dedicated to roy's "marvellous powers" either (though I can totally hear some fan girlz just scream YESSSS to this one

). As someone stated before in this forum, FMA has not been big on long sweet battles but rather short onez, and I like it that way. If you enjoy long battles where the fighting part itself is looked at in more detail then the flow of the story, then I suggest you look into.....Naruto? ^^"~

So what's my point? As a FMA fan who followed the anime weekly from this time last year and is reading the manga as well, I think the ending was not as bad as maybe you and protoman put it. Before I was afraid that the series would relay on the movie to tie up the lose endz as well. But now I think it ended nicely, while leaving enough story to be told in the movie. Overall it was a good year with FMA. I agree with many of the positive comments in this thread.

ps: I like the humur you put into ur post protoman^^~ so far I've onli watched SP and FMA from bones (I know I know...i should be ashamed of myself T___T...need to watch wolf's rain and rahxephon), but everythin ends with...a brand new world?!?!?! lol^^"~

dreamless · 2004-10-03, 06:43

I agree that this ending is getting a bit too much praise than it deserves. yes, BONES has accomplished the impossible, but that's mostly because it seems like too much of a mess at the end of ep50, that it seems impossible to have even a decent ending to tie up everything, and in my opinion that's exactly what BONES managed to accomplish, a decent ending that ties up quite a lot of things, but still it's nowhere near great for me. It has some good things, and it has some bad things.

first the bad things, the Mustang vs. Pride part

Spoiler:

I'll say that they do tie up the whole Mustang/Pride/Selim/Archernator mess, just quite badly, and actually below my expectation.

The good things, everything else, which are all above my expectation. The Ed/Al thing is solved in quite a cheap way

Spoiler:

but it's quite effective, and I think it's done right, so I like it. the whole epilogue is quite decent too, albeit

Spoiler:

Also there are some funny things, like

Spoiler:

Also the fate of Dante and Gluttony... I doubt we have seen the last of them... I guess it's intentionally done vague... and Wrath... well at least he got to look super cool for once

Oh and who's that German "Professor Hazuhoha" something guy? Is he some famous historic guy or what?

And I don't think Ed

Spoiler:

Overall a decent ending IMO, and sets a good start to the movie

dreamless · 2004-10-03, 06:54

seems some forum problem... double post... deleted

ChainLegacy · 2004-10-03, 09:45

The whole serpent thing could just be symbolic... Envy represented in its true state, a serpent.

Proto · 2004-10-03, 09:45

Ok, after calming down a bit and rewatching some of the scenes, I have to accept some parts of it where actually good (namely Envy's trip to the real world, and Al's closing speech), some were just plain mediocre (like the "We all are happy and alive" portrayal of the rest of the characters) other illogical (after the death of an idol leader(the Fuhrer) there must have been some kind of uprising, inner disputes among the characters or WHATEVER, but no, General Haruko misteriously dissapears and one of the weakest personalities, the General of the East division, seems to be in charge)... we have other weak and cheesy (like the predictable "I will revive my Ni-San so I can actually do something useful after 20 chapters or so") or the ugly portrayal of Mustang vs Pride...

All in all I have to accept that I didnt hate all of it... rewrite it to a "I just hated most of it" Dunno for you, but even a normal ending, pales as crappy compared with the quality of the pre 48 series.

dreamless · 2004-10-03, 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by killermonk

The whole serpent thing could just be symbolic... Envy represented in its true state, a serpent.

I think it's not really a serpent, it seems it's the FF7 Leviathan summon, which closely resembles an Oriental dragon (or ron/ryuu/however you call it). but then since it's green, so I guess it can be said a Seiryuu (green dragon).

ShinRaKurisu · 2004-10-03, 10:17

Didn't know if it was still a spoiler or not. Better safe than sorry ^_^

Spoiler:

dreamless · 2004-10-03, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShinRaKurisu

Didn't know if it was still a spoiler or not. Better safe than sorry ^_^

Spoiler:

well, it's not really needed to perform the coughing up red stone part, since each time you kill the homunculus, the life force from the red stones regenerate it, thus if you deplete the power of the red stones eaten by the homunculus by killing it enough times, they'll die.

Rhenium · 2004-10-03, 10:40

HA!! My predictions were right!

And you guys told me to F*ck myself

Well not completely right but i got the alot of the predictions right

dew · 2004-10-03, 10:56

Maybe since Pride's skull was there, Pride couldn't regenerate, so Mustang just burned him until there was nothing left. You could see a pool of red water where Pride was, so you pretty much know he was killed (unlike Lust).

nekodar · 2004-10-03, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamless

[spoiler]Envy becoming a green dragon/Seiryuu/Final Fantasy Leviathan summon/whatever inside the Gate... I don't understand that scene, is that just a joke from SquareEnix?

<snip>

Oh and who's that German "Professor Hazuhoha" something guy? Is he some famous historic guy or what?

Just to kill off some theories:

First one. The dragon is the Uroboros.
I didn't catch that one myself at first, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense.
As for what happened after he disappeared, no idea.

Look up Karl Haushofer for that guy you wonder about.

dreamless · 2004-10-03, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekodar

Just to kill off some theories:

First one. The dragon is the Uroboros.
I didn't catch that one myself at first, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense.
As for what happened after he disappeared, no idea.

Look up Karl Haushofer for that guy you wonder about.

Err... to make something clear, Ouroboros practically means a snake/dragon/serpent/whatever biting its tail, as Ouroboros is greek for "devouring its tail", and since Envy was not biting its own tail, so we can't call it Ouroboros. Ouroboros is not a type of snake/serpent/dragon/whatever, rather it's the "biting its own tail" part that matters. So if a snake bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if a dragon bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if Leviathan from FF7 bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros...

So Envy is definitely NOT Ouroboros at that time, I don't know if he'll go on to bite his own tail to form an Ouroboros or not, but I doubt it (since he's straight travelling towards the exit). Besides if I remember correctly, the head and tail of the dragon/serpent/snake/whatever Envy transformed into looks quite like the Leviathan summon of FF7, and now that I think more, I seem to recall that the FF7 Leviathan is green in color too... Anyone can help find a good FF7 Leviathan pic?

ChainLegacy · 2004-10-03, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamless

Err... to make something clear, Ouroboros practically means a snake/dragon/serpent/whatever biting its tail, as Ouroboros is greek for "devouring its tail", and since Envy was not biting its own tail, so we can't call it Ouroboros. Ouroboros is not a type of snake/serpent/dragon/whatever, rather it's the "biting its own tail" part that matters. So if a snake bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if a dragon bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if Leviathan from FF7 bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros...

So Envy is definitely NOT Ouroboros at that time, I don't know if he'll go on to bite his own tail to form an Ouroboros or not, but I doubt it (since he's straight travelling towards the exit). Besides if I remember correctly, the head and tail of the dragon/serpent/snake/whatever Envy transformed into looks quite like the Leviathan summon of FF7, and now that I think more, I seem to recall that the FF7 Leviathan is green in color too... Anyone can help find a good FF7 Leviathan pic?

Here is one. Yeah, I do notice similarities. Maybe you're correct...

2004-10-03, 02:07	Link #47
Yxy chaunen... Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Singapore Age: 42	Random silliness First read this, http://www.livejournal.com/community...t/1068871.html Then this http://www.livejournal.com/community...t/1075774.html Don't worry, no spoilers inside. Try not to choke though

2004-10-03, 06:43	Link #49
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	I agree that this ending is getting a bit too much praise than it deserves. yes, BONES has accomplished the impossible, but that's mostly because it seems like too much of a mess at the end of ep50, that it seems impossible to have even a decent ending to tie up everything, and in my opinion that's exactly what BONES managed to accomplish, a decent ending that ties up quite a lot of things, but still it's nowhere near great for me. It has some good things, and it has some bad things. first the bad things, the Mustang vs. Pride part Spoiler: they just completely rushed it up, with a pointless Selim character and the birthday present fiasco. and it's just stupid for Pride to kill Selim, he may well tell Selim to get the skull away, but no he kills Selim and throw him (with the skull) away to Mustang. I mean, I can accept that he's a sadistic evil bastard, but here he seems more like an idiotic lunatic, and I can't really see him as an idiotic lunatic Also for Hawkeye to disposed of Archernator so easily... umm... I guess they just realized the stupidity of Archernator and decided to get it over with fast... but I'd say if Izumi and a lot of soldiers can't take down Archernator, how can Hawkeye do it so easily? I'll say that they do tie up the whole Mustang/Pride/Selim/Archernator mess, just quite badly, and actually below my expectation. The good things, everything else, which are all above my expectation. The Ed/Al thing is solved in quite a cheap way Spoiler: Al the Philosopher's Stone going all out to revive Ed, that must be the simplest way to solve things but it's quite effective, and I think it's done right, so I like it. the whole epilogue is quite decent too, albeit Spoiler: It seems BONES not only lacks the guts to kill Mustang, nor do they have the guts to let Al mature. Personally I'm a bit sick of "reset" type of ending, well at least the world didn't get reset, just Al. But still I hope he can mature somewhat by the end of the series, but no he got reset to 10 year old. Also there are some funny things, like Spoiler: Envy becoming a green dragon/Seiryuu/Final Fantasy Leviathan summon/whatever inside the Gate... I don't understand that scene, is that just a joke from SquareEnix? Also the fate of Dante and Gluttony... I doubt we have seen the last of them... I guess it's intentionally done vague... and Wrath... well at least he got to look super cool for once Oh and who's that German "Professor Hazuhoha" something guy? Is he some famous historic guy or what? And I don't think Ed Spoiler: time travelled and landed in 1921, since I think there's no time travel between the worlds through the Gate. He just went to "our world" in 1916, and the epilogue just showed what happened 5 years after, which is 1921. It's shown at that time Ed has already gotten quite familiar with "our world". That also means at that time (when Ed is shown), the FMA world time also progressed 5 years, and Al should be 15 years old and Ed should be... 21 year old(?) at that time. I think the very ending showing Al and Ed on the trains is more like a symbolic scene for dramatic effects rather than that they are really on the trains at the same time. well that's my interpretation. I'm a bit surprised that Hohenheim can live for 5 more years... shouldn't his body already deteriorate to its limit? Or the deterioration stops in "our world"? Overall a decent ending IMO, and sets a good start to the movie

2004-10-03, 06:54	Link #50
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	seems some forum problem... double post... deleted Last edited by dreamless; 2004-10-03 at 09:49.

2004-10-03, 10:17	Link #54
ShinRaKurisu Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004	Didn't know if it was still a spoiler or not. Better safe than sorry ^_^ Spoiler: About Prides death. I was under the impression that a homunculus was suppose to cough up the red stones that it ate to mature to their particular form/figure. I saw no humunculs seall that was done towards Pride and if I remember correctly all the other homuculi that died were affected by the seal (Sloth, Lust, and Greed) This brings me to believe that Pride is still somewhere out there and will make an appearence somewhere Mustang disenegrated his skull right, what to do if Pride comes back now If I missed soemthing in one of the episodes that conflicts with my theory tell me what ep so I can watch it again ^_^

2004-10-02, 21:09	Link #41
gangsta905_04 AnimeSuki's #1 criminal Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 35	i love you bones..DONT LISTEN TO PROTOMAN!!!!

2004-10-02, 21:46	Link #42
Wrath Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004	Wow.. i haven't seen it yet but i think i'm not gonna like it much.. The way it ends just fells incomplete, but i have to see it to say it better.. What is that al lost his memory ?! that is horrible :S at least the other characters can tell him about all that happened on that time.. but now can he perform no circle alchemy? Well, i'm looking foward to a raw or a fansubbed version.. and to the movie too. It could have ended better but well... that's how it is.. PS: Excuse my english xD

2004-10-02, 22:50	Link #44
Yxy chaunen... Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Singapore Age: 42	Does anyone remember the words inside Ed's State Alchemist watch? "Don't forget 3.Oct.10" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ted/3oct10.png (lifted off the FMA LJ)

2004-10-02, 23:30	Link #45
neoko Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Auuustraaalia	Well i think we all just got sooo caught up the "oh! no i hope the ending isn't bad" that a normal ending is given more credit then it deserves. I totally agree with protoman on this one. A good series, well made and built up in 50 episodes and to tie half the knots up in 1 episode? You know what would of been better? A massive battle royale in the opera house thingy for 2 - 3 episdoes and another 1 for roy fighting with his marvellous powers. And of course, one last one just to show how the people are getting on, even if it's 5 minutes it's still better. So in my opinion - it's rushed, and couldn't bring out the full potential. I don't want the series to depend on the movie to tie up its wrongs, because the series is a seperate thing and i wish they didn't pack so much into the last episode like every other bones series. Then again, i liked the rahxephon's ending, and all the other animes made by bones as mentioned, i just wish they took some of the fillers out and use that time to achieve a better ending.

2004-10-02, 23:43	Link #46
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Anybody knows the title for the last episode? or was it never given away?

2004-10-03, 09:45	Link #51
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	The whole serpent thing could just be symbolic... Envy represented in its true state, a serpent.

2004-10-03, 09:45	Link #52
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	Ok, after calming down a bit and rewatching some of the scenes, I have to accept some parts of it where actually good (namely Envy's trip to the real world, and Al's closing speech), some were just plain mediocre (like the "We all are happy and alive" portrayal of the rest of the characters) other illogical (after the death of an idol leader(the Fuhrer) there must have been some kind of uprising, inner disputes among the characters or WHATEVER, but no, General Haruko misteriously dissapears and one of the weakest personalities, the General of the East division, seems to be in charge)... we have other weak and cheesy (like the predictable "I will revive my Ni-San so I can actually do something useful after 20 chapters or so") or the ugly portrayal of Mustang vs Pride... All in all I have to accept that I didnt hate all of it... rewrite it to a "I just hated most of it" Dunno for you, but even a normal ending, pales as crappy compared with the quality of the pre 48 series.

2004-10-03, 10:40	Link #56
Rhenium リライト Join Date: Mar 2004	HA!! My predictions were right! And you guys told me to F*ck myself Well not completely right but i got the alot of the predictions right

2004-10-03, 10:56	Link #57
dew Member Join Date: Sep 2004	Maybe since Pride's skull was there, Pride couldn't regenerate, so Mustang just burned him until there was nothing left. You could see a pool of red water where Pride was, so you pretty much know he was killed (unlike Lust).