2010-05-27, 19:22 | Link #10721 | |
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I can't comment on 6 but it seemed a bit odd. |
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2010-05-28, 04:09 | Link #10722 |
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Didnt they all had their own will or something like that? Because Beatrice somehow knew where they where, how they where and when they where at some place, like she was planning every step of every piece, the same is with Lambda. Could it be that Battler doesnt know how to control the pieces as the new gamemaster? |
2010-05-28, 08:19 | Link #10723 | |
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One thing about Kumasawa though. I'm sure she's more intelligent than she lets on, and she might be the one character Battler had an accurate judgement of personality on. I mean, if her personal artifacts that were passed on to her son have any merit, she was trying to solve the epitaph, and got to the point where she realized the chapel has something to do with it. |
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2010-05-28, 10:37 | Link #10724 | |
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Kinzo is supposed to have never been on the frontlines in the war. Beside still meeting the experience that profoundly changed him, however, he also managed to somehow get Genji to feel indebted to him for the rest of his life and beyond the grave. At the time, Genji was probably a bit younger than Kinzo, who was about 30, but only marginally. There is nothing to connect them before the war, so it's not some kind of ancestral servant loyalty. Just what kind of a situation could this possibly have been? There aren't a lot of options. P.S. I keep thinking about some spy story, because Genji looks kind of like Richard Sorge would if he lived to see 1986...
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2010-05-28, 20:34 | Link #10725 | |
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Has anyone else noticed that the years in Umineko don't add up? In Episode 3, when Kyrie is fighting Leviathan, she mentions being jealous of Asumu Ushiromiya for 18 years. 18 years ago, according to Kyrie, Rudolf impregnated Asumu and married her. Buuuut, in Episode 5, something different is revealed to us in Natsuhi's phone conversation with the baby from 19 years ago. Yes, the mysterious baby says something like this: Quote:
How old is Jessica, again? I know that George is over 20 years old, and Battler is (supposedly) 19. Any explanations? |
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2010-05-28, 20:44 | Link #10726 | |
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Battler's stated age is 18. It only says he's 19 one the wiki because people edited it after the reveal of the 19 year old master in the Chiru arcs. It's possible Battler's 19, but nobody has been confirmed for that age yet. I'd look at Oliver's timeline for evidence about ages.
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2010-05-28, 20:46 | Link #10727 | |
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How old is Jessica? Isn't she 18, too? |
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2010-05-28, 20:52 | Link #10728 | |
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Jessica is also stated to be born under the same unlucky star as Battler. If we take that statement literally that could mean she has the same horoscope as Battler, which is Cancer, and that would limit her birth to June-July. However if we use older astrology (like arabic astrology) it could means something completely different. Or you could just say Battler's narration is lying. He does that a lot in episode 1.
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2010-05-28, 20:55 | Link #10729 | |
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Or... well, Battler could have been killed before he was born. I'm starting to think that this whole 18-19 year thing is a sort of a red herring. Or one of the characters is lying or is just misinformed. ...If Meta-Battler is so stupid as to forget his own age. |
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2010-05-28, 20:57 | Link #10730 | |
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2010-05-28, 21:05 | Link #10731 |
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Can't read Japanese So no Episode 6 for me until the patch comes out.
But 19 years is not referenced before Episode 5, if I remember correctly. Before then, I do believe that they say that Battler is 18. But really, I'm sure that Meta-Battler would have mentioned it after his epiphany/enlightenment if he truly thought that he was the baby from 19 years ago. Oh, wait a minute. Battler was born sometime in July, right? And the conference is in October? Well, it's a bit of a stretch, but I know how some people in real life like to round down when they give their age. For instance, someone 18 and 3 months old would be 18. Maybe Kyrie just rounded down and Battler rounded up? |
2010-05-28, 21:51 | Link #10732 | |
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Maybe Battler and Natsuhi got the impression that the baby from 19 years ago was a male only because the caller used such a voice. If the caller had a feminine voice, then Natsuhi would cast more suspicion on Erika. After she questioned Genji on the details regarding her arrival, she calmed down a bit after hearing that the guest was female. |
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2010-05-28, 22:28 | Link #10733 | |
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Mind you, I'm not so sure that extra baby really existed. There's nobody to support Natsuhi's words. There are no other witnesses, and neither Krauss, Genji or Kumasawa, who should have been in on this story, confirm or deny it. The story about a servant who suffered for disparaging Beatrice is fairly consistent throughout the rest of the text and doesn't quite match, neither does Rosa's story, so we can't even be sure they're the same one. And the scene where Natsuhi tells her story includes Erika, who is suspect to the gills with her detective perspective.
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2010-05-29, 00:14 | Link #10734 | ||
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I forgot that Kumasawa was present in Kinzo's study with the baby. But that really is strange, she's the only one that could have had some insight on Natsuhi's dilemma and remained silent during her confession. Either Natsuhi found the baby so repulsive from the shame of her infertility and refused to hold it, or it's gender is another part of her repressed memories. Other than all of her recollections skating over the topic of the baby's gender, there's Kinzo's reaction. If Rosa's Beatrice had died before this, he might have tried to raise another one within the confines of the main mansion, just under the guise of an heir. The story about the servant falling down stairs and/or receiving a serious injury matches Beatrice's illusion slightly...but I don't know if that was possibly done to distract new servants who may have heard about the incident. |
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2010-05-29, 16:00 | Link #10738 |
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I've often wondered if perhaps faking being kidnapped is one of Krauss's panic options, possibly even tied with suicide (ep5 hints at the possibility he's suicidal). He just winds up getting killed off or something before he can put it into action. Or maybe suicide/disappearance really is his plan.
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2010-05-30, 11:46 | Link #10739 |
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I've been thinking about some things Ryukishi07 said in interviews, and I present another way of thinking about the mystery.
The author said that many people have found solutions to individual mysteries, but that they are far from solving Umineko. It seems to me like there is some sort of "event" that determines who dies and who becomes the culprit. I'm going to call this the "key," which may or may not be the key described in the epitaph. Here is a possible example: Person A talks to Person B in Episode 1. Because of this conversation, Person B becomes the "culprit" for the episode. Person A is deemed the "mastermind." In Episode 2, Person A talks to Person C. Because of this conversation, Person C becomes the "culprit" for the episode. Person A is still the "mastermind" for the series. Now, is there any one person that talks to Eva in Episode 3 and Kanon in Episode 1 (assuming they are indeed the culprits of those episodes)? The conversation need not be "I want you to kill this person," but it may be a certain "key word" that means "Hey, I choose you to do this for me." After all, Ryukishi makes it seem like once the "key" has been found, all of the mysteries can be solved. The mysteries will be much easier to solve if we have a definitive idea of who the culprit is. |
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