Ichigo and Rukia? or Ichigo and Orihime?

[ForgedGlory]

Tis true! I mean.. if....

Spoiler for manga:

Isshin was a human and not a shinigami, Ichigo probably wouldn't have the strength he has right now.

[MAQI]

Originally Posted by ForgedGlory

Tis true! I mean.. if....

Spoiler for manga:

Isshin was a human and not a shinigami, Ichigo probably wouldn't have the strength he has right now.

No ifs about it... plus before Rukia even steped on the scene Grand Fisher also chainged his life a great deal. So there...

[Langus]

BleachOD: It wasn't meant as a backhanded compliment, just a compliment.

I'm an IchiRukia fan myself so don't get me wrong, but I still can't concede that anything we've discussed up until now is "proof" or "fact". It is all speculation until it is made fact by a pairing being realized somewhere down the road in the manga (or anime).

And if I'm not mistaken, that monologue you posted is Orihime's...Even though Kubo is speaking through her it's not proof or fact of anything beyond what we can already agree upon - that Orihime realizes there is a special connection between Ichigo and Rukia. That's about it.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Langus

BleachOD: It wasn't meant as a backhanded compliment, just a compliment.

I'm an IchiRukia fan myself so don't get me wrong, but I still can't concede that anything we've discussed up until now is "proof" or "fact". It is all speculation until it is made fact by a pairing being realized somewhere down the road in the manga (or anime).

And if I'm not mistaken, that monologue you posted is Orihime's...Even though Kubo is speaking through her it's not proof or fact of anything beyond what we can already agree upon - that Orihime realizes there is a special connection between Ichigo and Rukia. That's about it.

And not only that but all Orihime says is that Rukia is an importent Because she changed Ichigo's life. In terms of romance this has little to no bearing I my self can think of many people of both genders that are importent to me because they have changed my life but I have no romantic intrest in any of them. As someone said before you could almost completely swap Rukia and Renji in the story and have pretty much no change to the dialog between them and Ichigo, all though you might lose a few jokes or they would get a lot weirder, (start of the mod soul arc comes to mind)

[Kakashi]

Originally Posted by kagato3

And not only that but all Orihime says is that Rukia is an importent Because she changed Ichigo's life. In terms of romance this has little to no bearing I my self can think of many people of both genders that are importent to me because they have changed my life but I have no romantic intrest in any of them.

My insane history teacher changed my life yet I have no romantic feelings for him, many people have changed my life including women and I have developed romantic feelings for only one, and the only way she has changed my life was by being my girlfriend. So I would agree with you that romance isn't the forgone conclusion of changing someone's life. There's something else to romance which is more natural and doesn't come from a particular cause, it just sort of happens because you love that person for who they are and not what they've done for you.

[Amirali]

Originally Posted by BleachOD

I guess the truth hurts so it's better to deny eh... LOL *Throws holy water and drops IchiRuki memorabilia in your bedroom* Be gone demon!

Don't worry I will save you....

I was happier before you convinced me that Orihime-Ichigo is unlikely . I'm still hopeful (without any logical reason for hope) that Kubo will prove you wrong. But yeah, props to you, OD .

[morgus]

I think what inoue said was that she was more than just a friend to ichigo, not that she's just a friend who changed his life.Does that even make sense?

[shinigami_wannabe]

Originally Posted by MAQI

Umm, actaually to be specific, it was Isshin who turned Ichigo's world around from being a normal human. So even though that was said( by Kubo through Orihime) it was not accurate because of the events that unfolded shortly after...

I have to disagree with you on this.

Rukia did change Ichigo's life.

Spoiler for what Rukia did:

Even though it was later revealed that Isshin is a Death God, it does not take away the fact that it was Rukia who initially gave Ichigo shinigami powers. At the beginning of the story, all Isshin's past did for Ichigo was give him the ability to see and talk to dead people. Isshin did not turn Ichigo's life into anything. Ichigo, because he is the son of a former shinigami, was born with the ability to see ghosts. There was no change there. Ichigo was born that way. Isshin may have been the reason why Ichigo is unique, but he did not change Ichigo's life.

Isshin was not the one who gave Ichigo the means to protect those he cares about.
Rukia was the person who did that. If Rukia had not come along, Ichigo would have been a shinigami after he died and not be the half-human/half-shinigami (part Hollow) that he is now. If Rukia had not come along, we would have needed to wait for Ichigo to die before we could start the story of Bleach...

Also, didn't Ichigo confirm somewhere in the SS arc that the reason he was saving Rukia was because she changed his life? Is that inaccurate as well?

I feel that this yet another trick to somehow lessen Rukia's role in Bleach. Quite similar to claims that Rukia really isn't the heroine in the story... Now apparently she wasn't the one who changed Ichigo's life.

Also, many Ichigo/Inoue supporters claim that Inoue is able to understand Ichigo better than anyone else (which I don't really buy), so if that is true, then why is she wrong this time?

[chocofancy]

For me........Ichigo and Rukia

I'm a newbie..nice to meet you all (^v^)/*

[monir]

Originally Posted by BleachOD

@Monir...No wonder you don't read em. You're with them. I guess the truth hurts so it's better to deny eh... LOL *Throws holy water and drops IchiRuki memorabilia in your bedroom* Be gone demon!

Don't worry I will save you....

*monir is confused.... probably because monir doesn't see much merit in any types of shipping verbiage in any genre, especially if those verbiage are stemming from a pure shounen series where the author will do whatever needs to be done to keep the series in the top 5 best selling manga. Hints of romance always seem to get the hearts of shounen-fans racing. Now monir sheepishly looks at all the fans of Ichi-Ruki and Ichi-Ori shippers. A clever mangaka like Kubo won't drive an axe to his own foot by giving a clear cut resolution to a theme that is helping sell his manga. Hence, the cloud of doubt will be ever present until the mangaka feels he has earned enough yien.

monir can still appreciate a good post whenever monir sees it from either side of the argument that is based on laid out facts rather than how a shipping-fan wants to see it. This time monir looks in the vicinity of BleachOD. Nonetheless monir thanks all the fans like BleachOD from both sides of these shipping war for providing pure entertainment on a regular basis by maintaining a civil attitude for most parts.*

[X_Danny_X]

Originally Posted by monir

*monir is confused.... probably because monir doesn't see much merit in any types of shipping verbiage in any genre, especially if those verbiage are stemming from a pure shounen series where the author will do whatever needs to be done to keep the series in the top 5 best selling manga. Hints of romance always seem to get the hearts of shounen-fans racing. Now monir sheepishly looks at all the fans of Ichi-Ruki and Ichi-Ori shippers. A clever mangaka like Kubo won't drive an axe to his own foot by giving a clear cut resolution to a theme that is helping sell his manga. Hence, the cloud of doubt will be ever present until the mangaka feels he has earned enough yien.

monir can still appreciate a good post whenever monir sees it from either side of the argument that is based on laid out facts rather than how a shipping-fan wants to see it. This time monir looks in the vicinity of BleachOD. Nonetheless monir thanks all the fans like BleachOD from both sides of these shipping war for providing pure entertainment on a regular basis by maintaining a civil attitude for most parts.*

i believe that Bleach is going to take the route of Final Fantasy 7, where there was no resolution in this. i sometimes wonder how Japanese think to the matter of romance. i am confident that the majority are in for fighting, action, killing, etc. than the love though still i bet they will like to see some of the romance stuff.


and dude, please change that signature pic of yours, it is giving me nightmares!

[miguelou]

yes, maybe Rukia is going to be killed >.<, and ichigo will live in the same house with Orihime ^^

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by miguelou

yes, maybe Rukia is going to be killed >.<, and ichigo will live in the same house with Orihime ^^

Aniue is seriously going to hurt you...

@Monir. I lay out the facts...Read it and you will see. Try it...and I like your sig...Don't change it

[miguelou]

you mean aneue desho? ^^

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by miguelou

you mean aneue desho? ^^

Heehee... Right back at me , eh?

I just gave you lesson on BB...
On topic...

IchiRuki is meant to be...the sooner you face it...the happier I'll be...

Get past my fandom, and look at Ichigo's lack of emotion, regarding this rescue and you will see. I am right.

[Warchef]

Spoiler for Series:

Unfortunately for IchiHime fans, OD is right. Orihime doesn't have a chance with Ichigo. As Guildenstern said in a post from another board, "Ichigo's been hard gay for Rukia for a while now." Nuff said.

[Warchef]

Originally Posted by miguelou

yes, maybe Rukia is going to be killed >.<, and ichigo will live in the same house with Orihime ^^

Or maybe...

Spoiler for Possible series end:

Orihime will finally realize that she is hurting herself by loving Ichigo and will push Ichigo and Rukia together, because Inoue is that type of person. She wouldn't be jealous.

[coco_nuttie]

Originally Posted by Warchef

Or maybe...

Spoiler for Possible series end:

Orihime will finally realize that she is hurting herself by loving Ichigo and will push Ichigo and Rukia together, because Inoue is that type of person. She wouldn't be jealous.

Or maybe Orihime will be awesome and move on her own and maybe find some other nice guy that will actually notice her. I'd like that .

*pokes Ichigo with a stick* Oh Ichigo...if only you weren't dumb >.<

[Amirali]

Originally Posted by coco_nuttie

Or maybe Orihime will be awesome and move on her own and maybe find some other nice guy that will actually notice her. I'd like that .

*pokes Ichigo with a stick* Oh Ichigo...if only you weren't dumb >.<

Or hopefully she will decide that she is only 15, and that one can be perfectly happy at that age without a serious boyfriend.

[ForgedGlory]

Don't you know? how young a person is, is irrelavent. Its common that true love is found at a young age in animes. Its frown upon in asian societies to love more than one person.