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Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-06, 22:11

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Originally Posted by DingoEnderZOE2

What? A wimp that gets killed fairly easily? Go ahead say it.

What rhymes with wimp

?

Apparently Sparda got captured and is now imprisoned as Mundus' bdsm slave.

I believe the word people used is 'gimp'.

Used Can · 2013-01-06, 22:38

As the rest have said, it's not merely the hair or the design itself. It's everything. The only resemblance the new guy has with Dante is the name, the red coat and he probably is half-demon too.

This is the same as if I were to make a new DBZ, and take Goku and make him completely edgy and then say this is supposed to be Goku, because I say so and if you don't like it, then fuck you. Or if, say, I were to take Sergeant Bosco and turn him into some rapper gangsta and all he has of the original is the haricut, the beard and the bling. I could also take Bond, turn him into some kind of chav vigilante who happens to like Vodka Martini and works for some organisation.

I understand change, but what's the point of taking a character and turning it into an entirely different character? Why not make a different game with a similar setting, or something like DMC4 with a character that isn't Dante as MC?

But well, they're probably aiming at the fans of titles like "No More Heroes," "inFamous," "God of War" with MCs that are "hardcore". Mind you, I like those titles too, but I also enjoy variety in terms of MC's personalities. That said, considering that those types of MCs are the rage these days, I wouldn't be surprised if DMC5 brought in new fans who wouldn't have played the game when the original Dante wasn't the MC (even though he was badass enough already).

KleenexGhost · 2013-01-06, 23:12

I've heard about that scene with the wig for a while now, but it's my first time seeing any footage/screenshots of it. All I can say is "Wow. Really, Ninja Theory?" I couldn't give two ****s about the hair. That's just a shot at the fanbase. The hair was a complaint when the first trailer came out. But more importantly fans were wondering if this was gonna be Devil May Cry in terms of gameplay and spirit. Gameplay? Well from what I played in the demo it's not. It doesn't have the speed, depth or challenge of the orignal games. Spirit? This games is trying too hard to be cool with this anti-establishment theme it's got going. Dante so far just comes off as a jackass. Original Dante may have been a jackass but he was still likeable.

That's just from what I've seen so far. Game comes out on the 15th.

Shadow5YA · 2013-01-06, 23:41

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

No I'm just not one of the people complaining about the new dante's looks or personality. The only thing I hate so far is the gameplay.

Personally I'm glad they decided to throw this in. Don't like the new dante then piss off, stop complaining about it and don't bother to look into it. Mean while me and the people who don't mind a change will... hopefuly enjoy it.

His personality is supose to fit with the setting. and that whole "FUCK YOU" Scene i'm pretty sure he only keeps saying it to piss off the monster.

A new look and character would be nice if this was... you know, a new series with its own name, but it's not.

Ninja Theory is using the name of an already established franchise as a PR crutch, but they're not paying any respect towards the property they are using at all.

And I think this scene gives quite a message quite different from "ignore it if you don't like it". Considering many people already stopped caring about the design change, all this did was remind them just to rub it into their faces. This isn't telling the fanbase to look past it, it's actual trolling by a professional.

Used Can · 2013-01-06, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Ninja Theory is using the name of an already established franchise as a PR crutch, but they're not paying any respect towards the property they are using at all.

In all fairness, from what I understand, Capcom themselves asked them to do that, in order to appeal more to Western fans.
I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom realised DMC sold better in the West than in Japan, and decided to focus more on our side. However, considering the types of MCs you see these days in Western video games and comics, they probably decided to remake Dante into some edgy guy.
For all we know, it could actually work for them, since Western gamers do like those type of MCs and the anti-establishment settings are also very popular these days in the West.

That said, NT's reaction to the fans' complaints has indeed been very unprofessional. However, considering they may be targeting a different audience and not the fanbase of the original games, they probably simply don't give a fuck and believe they'll look even more hardcore and cool to the new fans by making fun of the old fans who liked the "quirky" old Dante instead of the current "hardcore" one.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-07, 00:03

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Originally Posted by Used Can

In all fairness, from what I understand, Capcom themselves asked them to do that, in order to appeal more to Western fans.
I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom realised DMC sold better in the West than in Japan, and decided to focus more on our side. However, considering the types of MCs you see these days in Western video games and comics, they probably decided to remake Dante into some edgy guy.
For all we know, it could actually work for them, since Western gamers do like those type of MCs and the anti-establishment settings are also very popular these days in the West.

There was an interview with Alex Garland and he talked about working with Ninja Theory on Enslaved; apparently even then Ninja Theory had a thing for creating asshole characters. He pretty much had to over turn the whole thing.

Now that they're writing the story for DmC themselves, this is their chance to prove that they could write that kind of character.

Lolz, the keyword this time seems to be 'edgy'

KleenexGhost · 2013-01-07, 00:26

According to Gamefaqs Alex Garland is credited as Story Supervisor in the opening credits.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-07, 00:31

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Originally Posted by KleenexGhost

According to Gamefaqs Alex Garland is credited as Story Supervisor in the opening credits.

Supervisor yes, but before that they clearly showed Ninja Theory's big name as the writers in the credits.

KleenexGhost · 2013-01-07, 00:42

Clearly Ninja Theory wanted everyone to know they were responsible for such lines like

"The world is your b****, as am I. The only thing left to do is take it by the hair, bend it over, and f***"

Yeah.

I'll just leave this link here

http://m.gamefaqs.com/boards/605600-...y-cry/65109312

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-07, 00:46

That sounds totally edgy man

KleenexGhost · 2013-01-07, 00:53

Kinda reminded me of the scene from Shark Attack 3. Can't post youtube link since it might be inappropriate lol.

defki · 2013-01-07, 00:55

Holy hell so this gifs were real? This is a joke. That's not a jab that's pissing on the faces of the fans. How this game gets any support is fucking beyond me. I swear NT is the only company that can shit on the fanbase, dumbing down gameplay and still get support from the media.

And then they throw this kind of pathetic excuses.

New devil may cry will teach casuals the magic of pro gaming, entry bar is very low

yep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvXYnDdnR4

The magic of pro, smh.

KleenexGhost · 2013-01-07, 01:08

Well first reviews are out:

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/201...-are-positive/

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2013-01-07, 15:44

It's too bad the PSN doesn't have a rent options for new games, because I may not want to buy this game, but it looks interesting enough to try it out.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-07, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by KleenexGhost

Well first reviews are out:

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/201...-are-positive/

I'll read it later on my way to work, but tell me they've used the words 'edgy' and 'Shakespearean' somewhere in there

?

Tong · 2013-01-07, 16:38

Positive reviews =/= Selling well

The fans are displeased, and will likely not support this travesty.

defki · 2013-01-07, 16:50

DMC fans =/= casuals. As long as it's appealing enough people will buy it. Heavenly Sword is a nice example.

Mad Pierrot · 2013-01-07, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by KleenexGhost

Kinda reminded me of the scene from Shark Attack 3. Can't post youtube link since it might be inappropriate lol.

You mean "How about if we go home and I eat your O_0#D?"

Although I would prefer Dante imitating Jaws's "Smile you son of #!#"$#!!"

Tong · 2013-01-07, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Vigo

DMC fans =/= casuals. As long as it's appealing enough people will buy it. Heavenly Sword is a nice example.

When you take in account that DMC fanbase is basically the fans themselves, and few casuals here and there, all that is left for DmC are casuals and few pro-DMC players.

DMC4 sold more than any DMC, and yet peformed poorly (~2.7millions). 5 Millions would be the ideal considering the production costs.

The general agreement is that we're better without this DMC.

Sageblink · 2013-01-07, 18:43

I just really don't get the hate toward this game.

Was it the same with Devil May Cry 4 ? Cause it wasn't "Dante" either as the main character...

2013-01-06, 22:38	Link #962
Used Can Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	As the rest have said, it's not merely the hair or the design itself. It's everything. The only resemblance the new guy has with Dante is the name, the red coat and he probably is half-demon too. This is the same as if I were to make a new DBZ, and take Goku and make him completely edgy and then say this is supposed to be Goku, because I say so and if you don't like it, then fuck you. Or if, say, I were to take Sergeant Bosco and turn him into some rapper gangsta and all he has of the original is the haricut, the beard and the bling. I could also take Bond, turn him into some kind of chav vigilante who happens to like Vodka Martini and works for some organisation. I understand change, but what's the point of taking a character and turning it into an entirely different character? Why not make a different game with a similar setting, or something like DMC4 with a character that isn't Dante as MC? But well, they're probably aiming at the fans of titles like "No More Heroes," "inFamous," "God of War" with MCs that are "hardcore". Mind you, I like those titles too, but I also enjoy variety in terms of MC's personalities. That said, considering that those types of MCs are the rage these days, I wouldn't be surprised if DMC5 brought in new fans who wouldn't have played the game when the original Dante wasn't the MC (even though he was badass enough already). __________________ "The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom

2013-01-06, 23:12	Link #963
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	I've heard about that scene with the wig for a while now, but it's my first time seeing any footage/screenshots of it. All I can say is "Wow. Really, Ninja Theory?" I couldn't give two ***s about the hair. That's just a shot at the fanbase. The hair was a complaint when the first trailer came out. But more importantly fans were wondering if this was gonna be Devil May Cry in terms of gameplay and spirit. Gameplay? Well from what I played in the demo it's not. It doesn't have the speed, depth or challenge of the orignal games. Spirit? This games is trying too hard to be cool with this anti-establishment theme it's got going. Dante so far just comes off as a jackass. Original Dante may have been a jackass but he was still likeable. That's just from what I've seen so far. Game comes out on the 15th. __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSHT!" - Eddie Kaspbrak

2013-01-07, 00:26	Link #967
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	According to Gamefaqs Alex Garland is credited as Story Supervisor in the opening credits. __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSH*T!" - Eddie Kaspbrak

2013-01-07, 00:42	Link #969
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	Clearly Ninja Theory wanted everyone to know they were responsible for such lines like "The world is your b**, as am I. The only thing left to do is take it by the hair, bend it over, and f" Yeah. I'll just leave this link here http://m.gamefaqs.com/boards/605600-...y-cry/65109312 __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSHT!" - Eddie Kaspbrak

2013-01-07, 00:46	Link #970
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	That sounds totally edgy man __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2013-01-07, 00:53	Link #971
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	Kinda reminded me of the scene from Shark Attack 3. Can't post youtube link since it might be inappropriate lol. __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSH*T!" - Eddie Kaspbrak

2013-01-07, 00:55	Link #972
defki Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Holy hell so this gifs were real? This is a joke. That's not a jab that's pissing on the faces of the fans. How this game gets any support is fucking beyond me. I swear NT is the only company that can shit on the fanbase, dumbing down gameplay and still get support from the media. And then they throw this kind of pathetic excuses. New devil may cry will teach casuals the magic of pro gaming, entry bar is very low yep... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvXYnDdnR4 The magic of pro, smh.

2013-01-07, 01:08	Link #973
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	Well first reviews are out: http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/201...-are-positive/ __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSHT!" - Eddie Kaspbrak Last edited by KleenexGhost; 2013-01-07 at 01:24.*

2013-01-07, 15:44	Link #974
MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	It's too bad the PSN doesn't have a rent options for new games, because I may not want to buy this game, but it looks interesting enough to try it out. __________________ She's in your internets, watching you masterdebate.

2013-01-07, 16:38	Link #976
Tong Many RPGs, Little Time Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BR Age: 32	Positive reviews =/= Selling well The fans are displeased, and will likely not support this travesty. __________________

2013-01-07, 16:50	Link #977
defki Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	DMC fans =/= casuals. As long as it's appealing enough people will buy it. Heavenly Sword is a nice example.

2013-01-07, 18:43	Link #980
Sageblink Speculation is wrong. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Paris	I just really don't get the hate toward this game. Was it the same with Devil May Cry 4 ? Cause it wasn't "Dante" either as the main character...