2012-09-14, 08:16 | Link #423 |
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Romney says Obama says things that aren't true in debates.
Regardless of whether this is the case or not, is Romney really one to call another out on this? The man hasn't told the truth in months. |
2012-09-14, 08:17 | Link #424 |
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Unfortunately the picture isn't real. And the person who first publicised it has apologised for being fooled by a photoshop.
Romney needs to lose, yes. But he can't lose under false pretences. Obama needs to be on the side of truth, even if it aids his opponent.
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2012-09-14, 08:44 | Link #427 | |
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As I said before, I would have preferred Santorum to be running as GOP candidate. Not because I like him, but because he is sincere in his extremist views.
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2012-09-14, 08:49 | Link #428 | |
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I've even seen someone on camera call Obama that (Charles Worley, the preacher who said we should pen up gays and let them die out...).
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2012-09-14, 09:05 | Link #429 | |
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2012-09-14, 11:44 | Link #430 |
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Okay quick question for everybody
How much do you think middle income (class) should be? Now here is Mitt Romney answer Spoiler for Mitt's Amount:
Now I wonder, most of us dont even make that amount, heck I dont even make a ten percent of that amount. I am getting really worried today.
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2012-09-14, 12:09 | Link #432 |
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No way is that middle class.
My image of middle is my parents and their neighbhorhood. Ph.D, both academically steller achievers, have a good house and gets by. But by no means are they rich. Buying a car is still rough on their finance, and always finding ways to save few bucks here and there. I would guess their income to be right around half of that. Also there seems to be a massive divide between "upper-middle" and "high (rich)".
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2012-09-14, 12:17 | Link #433 |
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That's not upper middle class. Upper middle class is 80k-150k. Lower middle class is 50k-100k. Though the delineation between middle class and working class is as much about the type of work you do as the income you make.
EG my mom working a working class job on the assembly lines of GM made more money then my father working what can only be defined as an upper middle class job as a university professor of Mathematics (though those were in the days when GM had obscenely and unsustainably high wages). If you're making more then 150k, you're really edging into upper class territory. Though again, the distinction between middle class and upper class is as much about how you make your money. Basically: Working class: makes money through direct, often skilled, manual labour. Think Farmer, factory worker, repairman. Today might also includes people in "services" (IE callcenter operators, janitors, people who serve food at movie theaters...) Lower Middle Class: People who make money through working more menial but skilled brainwork, but doesn't require manual labour, eg Clerks, bank tellers. Also might include small business owners Upper Middle Class: People who work in highly skilled professions, that are again largely dependent on brainwork. Professors, senior managers, Lawyers, Doctors etc. Also might include Small and medium sized business owners Upper Class: People who make money not through labour, but through ownership of property. IE the Mitt Romneys of this world. |
2012-09-14, 14:25 | Link #434 | |
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Romney knows how to make money but I question if he can really revive the economy since he values profits so much. Right now it's cheaper to hide a lot of your money and profits overseas and outsource to places like China for work which has contributed greatly to the shift of jobs here to China. Which is why I agree with Obama that America must adapt and create and train for new jobs that aren't so easily available overseas and are in high demand.
Than again I'm' a Medical Assistant so yeah.... I'm one of those targeted by his push for certain new job creation and training. However that reminds me, aren't we dealing with a Doctor shortage too? Quote:
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2012-09-14, 14:33 | Link #435 |
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It depends on whether you mean "average" or "median"... but recognize this. Even if you make $200K, $400K and most of that income is from actual work rather than investing ... you're still a peasant compared to the sheer number of zeros these CEOs, plutocrats, and ultra-wealthy pull in.
Lets say you make $250K/yr working ... the average CEO in the S&P500 pulls in $13million a year (note the word "average"). That means you are making about 2% of what the *average* CEO makes. You're not only not in the country club, but they can't even tell the difference between you and the guy making $40K a year.
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2012-09-14, 14:37 | Link #436 | |
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Found this on another forum:
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blog...much_acco.html Part of the article: Quote:
I think Romney would make a splendid president. He really knows how to relate to people. He is such a warm and empathetic soul. /through the roof sarcasm
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2012-09-14, 17:13 | Link #437 |
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I used to have the source link for that... it pretty much scores Romney as an empty suit with no empathy at all for anyone outside his tiny world bubble of privilege.
I look at him and I look at the highly qualified guy who dropped out of the primaries so early (Huntsman) and I can only conclude the GOP is utterly broken, driven by plutocrats and zealots so disconnected from reality they believe the shit they're spewing. (sorry for the profanity there)
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2012-09-14, 17:43 | Link #438 | |
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The GOP is broken. They are hastily marching towards self destruction. The GOP could come crashing down and then they'd have to try to rebuild from there. Hopefully what they rebuild is far better than the horrible mess that they are now. You figure they would. They wouldn't want to build up the same mess of a party after a self destruction. What is a plutocrat. I have an idea, but I'm not entirely sure who these plutocrats are that you mention.
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2012-09-14, 18:23 | Link #440 | |
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As for Huntsman he might be qualified but wasn't he condidered to be too much of a moderate... or was it of a realist .
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