(L) Red Garden

[Matrim]

..Though to be honest, I think that the fellow Koyasu was calling Grandfather (or was it uncle..? I should probably watch the subs..) was someone other than Lise's father. He looks a little too old, I think..

That's the way it seems to me, the Grandfather looks to have a lot more wrinkles (just look at the skin around his eyes) than Lise's father - come to think of it he might Lise's grandfather but I doubt it. And why would Lise's father ask Kate about the diary if he is that man? He should be aware that it was with her when she and the rest died. If he hasn't taken it, wouldn't he be smart enough to realise that Kate couldn't have possibly taken it since she was dead for a time. It should be either with Lula and her men or in possession of the evil blond guy.

[AisuruMirai]

Originally Posted by mintyfresh

..Though to be honest, I think that the fellow Koyasu was calling Grandfather (or was it uncle..? I should probably watch the subs..) was someone other than Lise's father. He looks a little too old, I think.. Of course, I could always be wrong, but that's the fun of it, right..?

It's funny. I thought, seriously, for a moment, that Koyasu was saying "oujisama"--"prince". (I must admit I'm prone to Utena flashbacks--"Touga-sama~"--so...) The subs say "grandfather", but it sounds to me as if he's saying "ojisama" ("uncle" or "old man") & not "ojiisama" ("grandfather").

& I don't think that that's Lise's father, either. Notice the differences in the shapes of their noses, their jawlines, their hair. The old man's cheeks are more sunken. You can't see it in the screencap I posted earlier, but his chin is much pointier than Robert Meyer's, as well. I'm going to assume that he's Herve's uncle.

私未来過去現在。私未来過去現在。*
アイスル未来(過去現在)


*see Revolutionary Girl Utena, episode 26.

P.S.
The fact that Lula & JC were able to simply enter the mansion & take the girls leads me to believe that they were supposed to be there, that perhaps they are working w/ Herve. He may have had those men kill the girls so that Lula could bring them back to life. Maybe he had second thoughts about Lise, though. His silhouette in the OP gives me the impression that he's a "good guy". But I don't know.

Also, I just noticed that it's raining inside the mansion after the girls die.

[Shinndou]

Originally Posted by AisuruMirai

Also, I just noticed that it's raining inside the mansion after the girls die.

Actually I thought that could be a simple fire-alarm triggered on.

[Matrim]

The fact that Lula & JC were able to simply enter the mansion & take the girls leads me to believe that they were supposed to be there, that perhaps they are working w/ Herve. He may have had those men kill the girls so that Lula could bring them back to life. Maybe he had second thoughts about Lise, though

If he had second thoughts why didn't he just demand her body from Lula, instead of sending men to stop the car carrying Lise and take it? The men he sent seem to have signs madness in their eyes while Lula's subordinates seem more normal. I don't think they are working together. Those scary dogs in the mansion didn't seem that happy when Lula's party intruded in order to retrieve the bodies, they are shown to be on the run ready to attack the intruders.
I notice something like a pentagram in the mansion and all the red colouring in the flashbakc portrays the mansion as some hellish place. I wonder whether Herve (when was his name mentioned?) is a satanist? Maybe Lula and her men are the forces of God fighting against the minions of Satan and God has granted her power to revive people? Of course, she doesn't seem very loving and caring but maybe God's followers in this anime believe that the ends justify the means

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Shinndou

Actually I thought that could be a simple fire-alarm triggered on.

But I thought sprinklers didnt come on unless smoke was involved. I cant see a place where only pulling the fire alarm would trigger the sprinklers to go off since that could cause water damage if it went off by mistake

[DoReMiFaSo]

Maybe the rain is just a symbolic thing.
When Lula came to take their bodies away, it wasn't raining and the girls' clothes didn't seem wet.

[kauldron26]

do we know how many eps this is supposed to be??

[Shinndou]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

But I thought sprinklers didnt come on unless smoke was involved. I cant see a place where only pulling the fire alarm would trigger the sprinklers to go off since that could cause water damage if it went off by mistake

Well we don't know that. I mean, we've only seen small bits of the girls' flashbacks when they got killed, and that's it...

[nadare]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

I must say that ep 3 was very disturbing and sad. The girls now know the truth and they know its not a lie since they all remember it. Even though i find it hard to beleive that not even one of them could get away. Im confused about Lise situation. the old lady said her and her comrads were able to get there in time to get the 4 but couldnt get Lise. Does this mean they took Lise somewhere else and killed her> i thought she was already dead in the bathtub and if thats the case would they have used a borrowed life to bring Lise back as well or is there something special about this 4?

No you got it all wrong. They did get Lise, too. But, Lise was recaptured(see episode 1, when the monsters where attacking a car. It was Lise.)

[orion]

Originally Posted by Shinndou

Well we don't know that. I mean, we've only seen small bits of the girls' flashbacks when they got killed, and that's it...

But they were nice and dry when they were in the cars going home, including Lise.

[mintyfresh]

On episode 5..

Spoiler:

And so, the songs shall never return. But instead, we do get a few new screens in the ED. But is that a fair trade-off? 4 out of 5 anime watchers say... probably.

Either way, I liked this episode a lot. It had everything. Except answers.
...and singing.

[Srin Tuar]

Originally Posted by mintyfresh

On episode 5..

Spoiler:

Either way, I liked this episode a lot. It had everything. Except answers.
...and singing.

Spoiler:

Meh, needed more super-powers.
I'm dying to find out why they were turned into zombies, what kind of zombies they are, and what they can do.

The extended emo development seems a bit strung out. ( as opposed to the interesting kind from shows like bokura ga ita )
The visit to the empty mansion used up a lot of time, and all it told us was that kurea acts tougher than she is (she's scared)
Reicheru's extended doldrums finally let her see that her stupid BF doesnt really give a crap about her. (He's been having
fun and partying without her just fine) Roozu is using her siblings to keep herself from having to think, to the point where she
is starting to be more harm than good. Kaito seems the most balanced, but sadly she isnt moving forward, just sortof reacting
and being fairly passive.

But I could tell all that since episode 2, I'm ready for plot development.

[DoReMiFaSo]

Episode 5:
Well, although there are not much happening in this episode, I still like it a lot. It keeps its strong points by portraying realistic emotions and having excellent seiyuu performance. At some point of the episode, I feel like crying for the girls. It's just so emotional, like when

Spoiler:

Rachel is throwing stuff around in her room and when Rose is hugging her brother and sister while she cried.

Racheal seems to be the one that suffers the most. I hope she won't get crazy. Also, about the heart pounding part, is it telling us that her power is going to be awaken soon?

Kate may not be as stable and balance as she seemed. I think she's bottling up her emotions, because they didn't show what she's really feeling yet. Maybe she will breakdown later on.

In the preview, it seems

Spoiler:

Lula is going to show the girls' their corpses. I wonder what will happen then. I am already feeling chills down my spine.

I didn't notice they add in a few scenes into the ending sequence. Thanks for mentioning that. It's funny to see Paula and Jessica dancing.

One more comment: The BGM rocks!

[yononaka]

I hope the characters will do a bit less shaking and trembling (including facial) in the future. For some reason it bothered me more than before in ep 5. I don't have a problem with it conceptually, but the way it's done visually can get annoying, and I wouldn't want it to become a "feature" like with Fantastic Children.

[orion]

The drama part is the best. I like Claire and Kate the best so far. At least, these 2 are trying to find something out.

Spoiler:

Do you think that Rachel is going to loose control? Didn't Herve (blond guy) say "It's too soon" or something like that near the end.

Poor Rachel. It's when you're in a bind that you find out who your friends really are. Her boyfriend obviously isn't one of them. I bet he's dating one of those girls too. I'm betting that other guy is more reliable. Closet alcoholic for a mom isn't good either. Mom has alcoholic withdrawal syndrome probably. (Couldn't understand what she was saying so I hope she wasn't hallucinating.) Rachel is the least stable of them all imo.

Kate is dealing with it internally probably. I hope that she can talk it out as I'm rooting for her.

But who does Claire have to talk to?

[Schneizel]

Haha... I was watching ep 4, and that part where Rose and Kate talk about the mean soup shop owner with the one year punishment... was anyone else reminded of Seinfeld and the Soup Nazi?

Iirc, Mr. Soup Nazi is a ref to Soup Kitchen International... was that in Manhattan? I forgot. @.@;

[yononaka]

Originally Posted by kodachrome

Haha... I was watching ep 4, and that part where Rose and Kate talk about the mean soup shop owner with the one year punishment... was anyone else reminded of Seinfeld and the Soup Nazi?

Iirc, Mr. Soup Nazi is a ref to Soup Kitchen International... was that in Manhattan? I forgot. @.@;

Yes, I thought so too

Originally Posted by yononaka

And unless I misunderstood the reference, Rose seems to be a Soup Nazi customer

[AisuruMirai]

I entered ANN's pumpkin carving contest again this year. B/c the announcement for the contest hadn't been made at last year's time, I emailed to ask if they'd hold it this year & was told no. But they did it anyway & I found out late & only had time to do this one entry:

It took about 11 hours altogether. The bad thing is that the prizes (Trinity Blood 1 + box & Tsukiyomi Moon Phase 1 + box) are nothing compared to last year's (more than $700 in DVDs, someone estimated). I almost wanted to hold on to the photo & enter it in next year's so I can get something good. Of course, I shouldn't be assuming that I'm going to win anything...

Hope you like it.
アイスル未来

[DoReMiFaSo]

AisuruMirai: Wow, that look so cool. When will you know if you'll win or not?

Originally Posted by yononaka

I hope the characters will do a bit less shaking and trembling (including facial) in the future. For some reason it bothered me more than before in ep 5. I don't have a problem with it conceptually, but the way it's done visually can get annoying, and I wouldn't want it to become a "feature" like with Fantastic Children.

Do you mean the shaking scenes with Rachel? I thought that was the first time they used it. Did they use it in previous episodes as well?

[yononaka]

Originally Posted by DoReMiFaSo

Do you mean the shaking scenes with Rachel? I thought that was the first time they used it. Did they use it in previous episodes as well?

Yes, but IIRC it wasn't just her.

If this was the first time that would explain why I had no problem with it previously I don't rememeber if they used it before or not. In any case I'll rather take more singing than more shaking (of this kind)