2012-12-26, 21:45 | Link #201 | |
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So yeah, it is very possible that Kirito has played a lot of MMO's prior to SAO. But my point still stands. They should have shown him working his way up to become a high level player in SAO, and one very powerful monster is not enough. |
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2012-12-26, 21:56 | Link #202 | ||
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2012-12-26, 21:59 | Link #203 |
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Grinding is well.
Incredibly boring. I understand why some people feel like they should've been able to see his strength growth, but SAO has never really been about that, and personally it didn't bother me, since I personally have been through that leveling treadmill more than enough times. I know exactly what Kirito went through, because I've done it myself, so I didn't really need to see it.
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2012-12-26, 22:03 | Link #204 |
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Having to physically do it, even if just mentally (...that sounds really weird, but you get the idea), is very different from just having to have the mental concentration to sit in a chair and click buttons. Moreso when your life is on the line. Actually grinding to level (as opposed to raising skills) wouldn't be boring at all.
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2012-12-26, 22:11 | Link #206 |
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Back when I first started watching (back when it was... shit, I dunno, episode 7, I think?) I was worried about the speed of things judging by the time-skips level jumps (from whatever he was in episode 2, to level 40-something in episode 3, to level 70-something in episode 4), but back then I figured this was a one-cour show of 12 to 13 episodes. After the clarification that it wasn't the case I was fine with the levels, because really the story wasn't about the game itself, so the level aspect of the game wasn't terribly important, just the time and the motivations of Kirito.
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2012-12-26, 23:57 | Link #207 |
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Well, the training montage doesn't have to be 1 episode long. Just long enough to convince people that Kirito can actually win fights without cheating or help from the system.
I'm not really sure what to make of Kirito keeping his level in a new game, but he's definitely a beta tester. Think it's nothing new in the MMO industry. EDIT: Oh, okay, I admit, I can't appreciate Kirito because I usually suck at MMO's (probably because I don't use cookie-cutter builds) and I'm too broke to actually raise a strong character. |
2012-12-27, 00:37 | Link #208 | |
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He's a powerless kid in real life, and every thing he does in game looks a lot more impressive than it actually is. His strength is mostly an illusion - fitting for a spriggan, I guess.
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2012-12-27, 01:58 | Link #210 |
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... I take it you've never played any MMOs or RPGs. Trust me, Kirito earned all of his skills.
Out of the 543,881 Mass Effect 3 players in the world, I'm currently ranked 18,678th (at time of posting, which is the top four percent of players) and no. 68 out of the 1200 players in Malaysia. I can solo Bronze and Silver, and regularly run Gold, with the occasional Platinum. In public pickup games, I'm usually the top scorer by a ridiculously high margin - even with Level 1 characters. In short, I'm a 3rd Person Shooter (with RPG elements) equivalent to Kirito and the Clearing Group. And it took me the better part of 8 months, and over 160 hours of gameplay. *shrug* But yeah, guess I didn't earn them skills. And neither did Kirito. You play something long enough, you will be very good at it. The fact that this little detail can escape the notice of viewers says much about the understanding and comprehension abilities of today's audience.
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2012-12-27, 02:25 | Link #211 |
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I used to play MMORPG's, but then real life things such as college happened, I still suck at MMORPG's anyway, and it ruined my life, so I stopped.
It's hard when you did everything you could based on the very little that you know about the game, you have grinded for way too long, and you could only raise your main character to mid-level with so-so gears. And yet someone who has a relatively balanced life has over 9000 max-level characters in over 100 games. Add in my absolute refusal to follow cookie-cutter builds that 90% of top players use and I just made a perfect recipe for disaster and frustration. My chars are okay in PvE, but I absolutely have no chance at winning PvP, and the action MMORPG environment (Dragon Nest was my latest MMORPG) is hostile towards newbies like me, so I really never learned how to do it against player-controlled opponents, and I'm still having difficulties defeating AI controlled opponents which are now considered too easy for the top-level players. And you know, it's frustrating. I really wished I could have a successful real life career and still have time to be one of the top MMO gamers in our country. But no, whatever I do, no matter how many hours I grind a day, I can't do it without shelling good cash, which I really don't have. So I said, screw this, I have to get a life. If someone would recommend an MMO to me, please give me something that actually needs zero cash to become great at it. So yeah, I haven't played enough MMO's to appreciate Kirito. Last edited by judasmartel; 2012-12-27 at 02:36. |
2012-12-27, 02:39 | Link #212 |
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In all fairness, Kirito has an unfair advantage in that he's been essentially playing nonstop for about 2 years. I'd be more worried if he wasn't good after playing so long.
On the other hand, I only play an average of 5 hours a week *shrug*.
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2012-12-27, 02:42 | Link #213 |
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See what I'm talking about? I can't play that long everyday. Not with the measly cash I get. I'm too broke, so I said, screw MMO's, time to get a life.
Maybe one day, if I'm rich enough to actually fund a competitive character, I'll come back playing MMO's. I love MMORPG's, but it's driving me insane. FPS? My favorite tactic is sniping, something that could get me called a "camping fag" which I don't like. And yet I still get my ass kicked in Counter-Strike. EDIT: I also suck at PR, so I can't get myself recruited to the good, if not top, guilds. @topic I could also have appreciated him more if he wasn't so goddamned overhyped. |
2012-12-27, 02:50 | Link #214 |
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That's called life Judasmartel. You sound like you're old enough to understand that, but still resist reality.
10 years ago when I blew out my leg playing football and couldn't work or do much of anything for half a year, I dove into Counter Strike. Played it a minimum of 8 hours a day while my body healed up. After several months of playing on some Cal servers, I had some of their server admins asking if I wanted to assist them in matches when they were short a player. I've been a gamer since about 1985, starting on a Commodore 64... Of course now, my reflexes are slowing down, eye sight isn't quite what it use to be, and my multi-tasking is falling off. Work, relationships, and an additional hobby with fast cars, have also contributed to my not staying ontop of my gaming abilities these last 5 years. Now when I jump onto a Counter Strike, Halo, COD server, it takes awhile for me to knock some off the rust off, and even hope to break even after a couple of hours... Currently playing Star Wars: The Old Republic, and DayZ to pass my free time.
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2012-12-27, 02:52 | Link #215 |
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Kirito
~The black swords man, a game addict and a genius in non academic related stuffs. GAme is his world and his life. For two years, he learn to roam the death game first with his comrades later on by himself and sworn to finish the game for the sake of those who given their lives and also to those who wish to return home. He found love and had another reason to beat the game. He did won it but at a great price. The world of SAO didn't end as long as he doens't have Asuna beside him in the real world. He seek Asuna again with the help of a new found companion who also longs for her impossible love, together they sought her in the ALO on the World Tree. But after revelations and sorrows he found her at last... the missing part of himself... his Asuna... his love... his world... |
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Sorry, but refusing to use them just because others do is MMO Hipster. You also aren't literally trapped in the game. What else are you going to do? |
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2012-12-28, 00:23 | Link #217 |
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I should note that the reason I play ME3 multiplayer is because unless you are totally screwing up, every single class and build is viable, albeit with varying degrees of effectiveness.
Sniper rifles are stupidly effective, especially the starting Mantis rifle; whatever it can't OHKO in a torso hit, it can OHKO with a headshot. The fact that ME3MP is essentially Horde mode or Firefight and is PVE is probably why I don't mind so much... There are no useless builds, there are only useless players.
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2012-12-28, 00:42 | Link #218 | |
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My gripe with cookie-cutters is "What if I wanted to do things differently? What if I chose to be a Tanker or Mezzer when everyone else is a DPSer?" So, yeah, I'm a MMO Hipster, alright. But that was a thing in the past. Nowadays, MMO builds are built-in, you only have to choose the one that suits your playing style. And if you deviate from any of those, the game will punish you by making your character suck balls. Clearly, I don't want that. And yes, I'm not literally trapped in every game I have played. Grinding is boring, and why grind anyway if you could just Cash Shop your way to MMO greatness? My PR sucks, so I don't have much friends and guildmates online, so I have no choice but to surf the Internet whenever I'm bored. So yeah, I totally suck at MMOs. |
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2012-12-29, 12:35 | Link #220 |
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Because Kirito is a gary stu. And Gary stu doesn't need any annoying, incredibly long development a-la never ending shounen series as long as he's the strongest, loved by the heroines, kick any bad guy's asses and able to bring the story with his sheer awesomeness.
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