To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 22 Discussion / Poll

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Magic Gods got dissapointed by Touma at some point remember? That's how Kamisato's WR came to be.

Hmmm, I don't really remember that.

[Endscape]

This was already obvious, but Qlipah is such a good girl. You better treat her right, Accelerator!

[Daft]

I find it interesting that Touma can be tricked into thinking his right arm is still there and that's enough to seal the stuff that is coming out of him as a temporary bandage for now. Kind of harks back to the Fiamma fight - his will actually has some level of influence over the seal even without IB. Which I guess is why the seal could be heard breaking when he decided to attack High Priest with whatever is in him.

[Callum18]

Spoiler for Massive spoliers about Touma/IT/Dragons:

IT IS THE DRAGONS! But now they have evolved into some kind of serpentine monster. I'm starting to think the thing inside of Touma is Typhon, a grisly monster with a hundred dragons heads. Typhon is also named dropped here.

[dniv]

Well that new update was hella interesting. F*ck Kamachi. So there was more to his right hand and there still IS more.

[WiliamZ0]

Originally Posted by Callum18

Spoiler for Massive spoliers about Touma/IT/Dragons:

IT IS THE DRAGONS! But now they have evolved into some kind of serpentine monster. I'm starting to think the thing inside of Touma is Typhon, a grisly monster with a hundred dragons heads. Typhon is also named dropped here.

Nope, I totally doubt it. While Kamachi started incorporating Greek into his work, I highly doubt that. As Zeus and Odin is pretty much at same level of deity category even when they from different places. IT was beyond that scope.

But thinking it carefully, your idea might be correct. I'm thinking The Beast (Revelation). Considering this is New Testament, the next one to come is Revelation. Meaning 22 book left to match 66 bibles

Mikoto did say
(That isn’t what it looked like when I saw it before.)

Meaning What she saw was something that suppress by the Dragons. Back when 5.3, or maybe it will be revealed during Kimi Arc. I do have feeling Kamijou Touma will play huge role in that arc (considering Angel Dragon in her hand)

[Requiem-x]

Holy ****, Qli-chan is too adorable Meanwhile, the... whatever is inside Touma's arm is acting up, miss Sprengel finally makes an appearance, and I guess we're dealing with the Rosenkreuz now. Lovely.

Originally Posted by Endscape

This was already obvious, but Qlipah is such a good girl. You better treat her right, Accelerator!

I think he's doing a damn god job already, or at least he wants to, but lacks the experience to do so.

Despite just seeing Accel making a deal with Worst animated a couple weeks ago, that part still shocked me; he really has come a long way.

[Daft]

Also, when Aleister says "(It is too soon to let that out. The exterior Kamijou Touma will be obliterated as things are now.)" Is he implying that eventually Touma was supposed to be able to survive releasing whatever is inside him? I wonder what that would entail?

[WiliamZ0]

Originally Posted by Daft

Also, when Aleister says "(It is too soon to let that out. The exterior Kamijou Touma will be obliterated as things are now.)" Is he implying that eventually Touma was supposed to be able to survive releasing whatever is inside him? I wonder what that would entail?

The way he implied Exterior Kamijou Touma make me thing it's referring to the boy, maybe the one inside Kamijou Touma is 'Kamijou Touma' as in 'The One who Purifies God and Slays Demons'

[Chosen_Hero]

Spoiler for Too long:

Chapter 2 part 7:

...ok, what the hell was that? So not only is plot induced into play but nerfing and deus ex machina too?

There is no way that Hamazura had enough time to even do half the shit he pulled against Accelerator considering how fast he is.

Also, you are telling me that Accelerator, the smartest esper in AC did not notice him pouring the liquid and wasn't able to calculate fast enough what would happen to himself if he stepped on it? Why is he stepping on anything? All he has to do is kick off ONCE and the momentum alone from the sheer power (which we know he can adjust in miliseconds without trying) is enough to propel him forward without touching the ground... Seriously, was Accelerator standing at the very end of the train or something because from what I read he was close enough to be heard clearly through the wind caused by the train.

Also, Deus ex Nepthys saves Hamazura because... reasons, I guess. The worst part is that SHE LITERALLY SAYS SO.

I mean, I am ok with a little bullshit but this is way too inconsistent for my taste.

Chapter 2 part 8:

So Hamazura can just run away from the super being after him, but if it's anyone else then they are screwed. Also, he is such a hero that a magic god just acted for no reason to help him... I seriously can't be the only one seeing the bullshit accumulating in Hamazuras' favor. The thing is that it was never THIS bad before this arc, this is Kanou Shinka all over again.

Chapter 2 part 9

(Did she intentionally remove the clog as a form of maintenance? So she isn’t just siding with that irregular factor called Hamazura Shiage. She’s messing with us all in a much more troublesome way.)

BULLSHIT. Literally just a few paragraphs before we saw that she was so impressed by Hamazura she just couldn't contain herself.

Seriously, the contrast between last volume and this is uncanny. In NT 21, Touma pulled off some pretty impressive feats and yet NONE of them felt as bullshit as what is happening around Hamazura in this volume.

(Kind reminder that people STILL seem to think Touma is the one with the strongest plot armor)

Outside of the shit connected to Hamazura the rest was great, I love how Accelerators' way of thinking has basically turned into "What would Touma do?"

Chapter 2 part 10

Oh look, it's the great demon Choronzon 333: Dispersion, not doing demon things or acting like she had been at the end of last volume and the beginning of this one. I guess she just can't help herself around the mighty hero Hamazura.

Even more confirmation that Nepthys did what she did for no reason but she totally got swayed by Hamazura the great.

Chapter 2 part 11

See, now THIS is more like it. So I personally think that there is a portal of sorts in Toumas' arm. Also, interesting that Aliester says "The exterior Kamijou Touma".

Interesting, very interesting.

Chapter 2 part 12

Coming soon...

[Fortitude]

I'm gonna side with Chosen Hero for this one.

I mean seriously for all the talk about Touma's plot armor at least his fights made him look amazing with literal effort.

But in this Volume alone Hamazura manages to bump him up from being dislike to a Scrappy. How the hell does he manages to do all of this stuff? At least Touma and Accelerator are consistent in what they're doing, Hamazura just looks like he got everything on a silver platter.

[WiliamZ0]

Anyway, Dniv not showed up. Wonder what he's currently doing

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Spoiler for Too long:

Chapter 2 part 7:

...ok, what the hell was that? So not only is plot induced into play but nerfing and deus ex machina too?

There is no way that Hamazura had enough time to even do half the shit he pulled against Accelerator considering how fast he is.

Also, you are telling me that Accelerator, the smartest esper in AC did not notice him pouring the liquid and wasn't able to calculate fast enough what would happen to himself if he stepped on it? Why is he stepping on anything? All he has to do is kick off ONCE and the momentum alone from the sheer power (which we know he can adjust in miliseconds without trying) is enough to propel him forward without touching the ground... Seriously, was Accelerator standing at the very end of the train or something because from what I read he was close enough to be heard clearly through the wind caused by the train.

Also, Deus ex Nepthys saves Hamazura because... reasons, I guess. The worst part is that SHE LITERALLY SAYS SO.

I mean, I am ok with a little bullshit but this is way too inconsistent for my taste.

Chapter 2 part 8:

So Hamazura can just run away from the super being after him, but if it's anyone else then they are screwed. Also, he is such a hero that a magic god just acted for no reason to help him... I seriously can't be the only one seeing the bullshit accumulating in Hamazuras' favor. The thing is that it was never THIS bad before this arc, this is Kanou Shinka all over again.

Chapter 2 part 9



BULLSHIT. Literally just a few paragraphs before we saw that she was so impressed by Hamazura she just couldn't contain herself.

Seriously, the contrast between last volume and this is uncanny. In NT 21, Touma pulled off some pretty impressive feats and yet NONE of them felt as bullshit as what is happening around Hamazura in this volume.

(Kind reminder that people STILL seem to think Touma is the one with the strongest plot armor)

Outside of the shit connected to Hamazura the rest was great, I love how Accelerators' way of thinking has basically turned into "What would Touma do?"

Chapter 2 part 10

Oh look, it's the great demon Choronzon 333: Dispersion, not doing demon things or acting like she had been at the end of last volume and the beginning of this one. I guess she just can't help herself around the mighty hero Hamazura.

Even more confirmation that Nepthys did what she did for no reason but she totally got swayed by Hamazura the great.

Chapter 2 part 11

See, now THIS is more like it. So I personally think that there is a portal of sorts in Toumas' arm. Also, interesting that Aliester says "The exterior Kamijou Touma".

Interesting, very interesting.

Chapter 2 part 12

Coming soon...

I agree, this NT22 make me wonder just how far Kamachi gonna forced Hamazura to be Hero, so many bullshit moments.

Poor Kamijou, he is an idiot alright but Aleister is one with fault here. He hold most information to himself and didn't share it at all. Who the fuck know Those polygons (I think this what called by 'Fish Eggs' in Chinese community) will came out.

The most funny thing, He knew Misaki's power can act as some kind of temporary bandage. Making me started to get curious Maybe Level 5s #1 - #6 had certain purposes more than what we know, #7 just there because his unpredictability and power

It as if Aleister felt Kamijou should knew this fact, duhhh he lose his memory. I doubt he didn't know that. He should be know this fact if he observing Touma with UNDERLINE

[Fortitude]

Uh William, does that mean Aleister doesn't know about Touma's memory lost despite observing him the entire time?

Because that definitely sounds like it.

[WiliamZ0]

Originally Posted by Fortitude

Uh William, does that mean Aleister doesn't know about Touma's memory lost despite observing him the entire time?

Because that definitely sounds like it.

Yup! That's what I most afraid of. If this true, this means previous Kamijou Touma knew IB and IT existence, but this leave us a question. Why previous Kamijou didn't use it against Kanzaki?

[Fortitude]

Reply to William:

Maybe Aleister was speculating about Touma knew about the "Fish Egg" and presumed he didn't need his knowledge.

And that backfired him spectacularly. I believe the entire time when Fiamma and Terra knew about Touma's memory loss, they also presumed that Touma have also forgotten about IB's secrets.

Which i and many others doubted. Since in the beginning Touma never display any knowledge about Imagine Breaker throughout his first appearance. To him its just an arm that cancel's Esper and magic powers, and nothing more.

Honestly these idiot magicians forgotten the most important rule: "Assumptions is the mother of all fuck ups."

[Kuroageha]

Trusting unreliable narrators *facepalms*

Originally Posted by WiliamZ0

Yup! That's what I most afraid of. If this true, this means previous Kamijou Touma knew IB and IT existence, but this leave us a question. Why previous Kamijou didn't use it against Kanzaki?

Back then he repeated several times how useless his power was to make his life get better and probably it influenced how he viewed the world and that likely affected his power to some degree.

[WiliamZ0]

Ha, if Aleister titled himself as Beast666, I think the real Beast 666 is Kamijou Touma himself.
6 is number of incomplete. The number that just fall short to completion (7), A man that reach Divine level, but still a man.

Other than that, yeah ... I think what Kuroageha said is correct. It cwertainly explained how IT didn't escape Kamijou Touma after she affection Touma's sensory. But there's so many question about it.

One of them is this part

Spoiler:

With a bubbling sound, something erupted from the end of the incomplete right arm.
“Oh.”

It was not blood.

It was not flesh or bone.

Something more – much more – sinister and divine seemed to take control as Kamijou Touma shouted and held his own arm with his other hand.

Was it a dragon?

No, it was not even that.

“Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!???”

They might have been able to comprehend it as a threat if it had some obvious form, like an alien with a giant head or a legendary monster made from the fusion of several animals.

But this was different.

This was something else.
Misaka Mikoto could not describe it, but it seemed somehow worse than any of that!!

Am I the one that thinking Some of them reference to something. Like Alien Grey, Chimera/Typhoon. Come to think of it Kamachi did play some part but introducing some of them to us. Also Kamijou Touma's loli blonde imouto (just kidding) Leivinia Birdway did mentioned something like this in NT6

Spoiler:

“I have always wondered how Academy City is able to control someone like you. The biggest threat you hold is not the power of your right hand or even that which is hidden within. Nor is it the precognition you have gained from your past experiences. Even with a right hand that can negate supernatural abilities, a normal person would not be able to accomplish much. The hand itself cannot burn anything or gather any information. And yet you have left accomplishments behind. You did not join in because of that right hand. It was you who made use of the power residing in your right hand.”

“You’re only figuring that out now?”

“In that case…”

Birdway’s expression suddenly changed around her eyes.

She had the look of someone pitying someone else.

“…You need to be careful from now on. What you hold is not good or evil. You hold the seeds to a great wave that cannot be described in those terms. Perhaps it is the same thing that was once brought to bloom by the man who built up a city of steel and electricity (Aleister? Seems like it) or the woman who smiles thinly in the depths of an old cathedral. Or perhaps it is something that will swallow up even that giant flower. If you can completely grasp it in your hand, it will give you great power, but if you cannot, it will be indescribably disastrous for you.” (Yeah like blowing yourself up and releasing the giant malice)

“What are you saying?”

“You do not need to understand it right away. I will give you time to think on it. But my method may be a bit painful.”

I think she had some idea what IT is, maybe not correct one, but she had some idea. Also, brought to bloom? I'm starting to smell something fishy here. I know Touma had IB his whole life, but IT too?

Also another thing

Spoiler:

Now for one other story.

This occurred before Kamijou Touma and Kamisato Kakeru parted ways.

“The people following me weren’t being manipulated by my right hand’s power. I’m embarrassed to admit it, but they’re with me for some other reason. I’m not about to deny that anymore.”

Kamisato had given a pale smile, but that had not been all he had to say.

He had continued.

“But it still seems weird to me that Claire is a lot like a plant, that Luca can use the magic of Legba Atibon who is connected to Voodoo and pirates, and so on. Something has twisted them. And I think my right hand was a part of that.”

“…”

“So a similar distortion might exist around you,” Kamisato had stated. “But at the same time, the things around you should still be explainable with what you consider normal. So unlike with me, it isn’t a distortion that infects the people around you.”

A distortion.

The root of the power that had created the Kamisato Faction.

“In that case, where is that distortion?”

There was “something” that rivalled the strange powers and abilities of those girls.

“That distortion exists; you just can’t see it. It might behoove you to give that some serious thought.”

The conversation between Kamijou Touma and Kamisato, do point out, Kamijou had some sort of distortion around him, is it something that caused by IT? Or the distortion is IT itself?

Anyway. The blondes, the blondes are keys to the answers!!! Js06 was right, Kamachi is cursed by witch. Blondes' curse!

[rladls2121]

Does anyone remember the Alchemist from Volume 2, I forgot his name, Lizard?
He also saw what it was after he cut Touma's arm right?
Mikoto, Fiamma, Othinus, and Lizard.
Well in case of Othinus, she may have not seen it.
So that leaves three, who else?

[OH&S]

^Gunha and Kamisato also saw it. And technically Stiyl also saw it but explained it away.

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by WiliamZ0

Spoiler for WAITING SHMASTER TO CONFIRM THIS SPOILER BEING FAKE OR REAL:

Dragons and fish eggs are not part of IT and IT tried hard to get away / free. They some kind of security measure to prevent IT to get way when IB removed, by letting part of IT as fuel to summon them to real world to protect their host (Touma)
Also damn how many beings inside Touma, his body is monster's zoo

Choronzon being the retarded demon she is completely (temporarily) removed 'the locks' (implied there are multiples of them, also reasons why IT can sometimes strong and weak) and set IT gaining its power and free near the end. When IB and 'other locks' come back, it appeared they not have enough strength and time to stop IT from breaking free.

Fish egg came out is basically reaction to let IT power reduced as much as possible (basically wasting IT fuel, meaning they used lots of energy)

Aiwass says at the end that IT can also kill him

sorry for the bad english

Spoiler:

The egg is all there is. That is the only thing we see that came out of Touma's arm in this volume. There is nothing else. And egg literally is an egg. It is a unborn state. The shadow that dwells inside is yet to hatch. Choronzo fled (barely) at the sight of the egg alone.
This egg is one of the un-decomposable that Choronzo wishes to destroy. Anna Spangle had waited for a century for this thing to become free.
The right hand is the lock that kept the egg suppressed.
Aleister mentioned that at the lock had the chance to broke back at the time of Fiamma, Othinus, Kamisato, and Aiwass. But none of them over did it like Choronzo.
Magick:Flaming_Sword° has severed the right hand too much (the right hand failed to regenerate right away this time due to Choronzo's Horusian power kept the wound intact. Misaki even had the time to freeze the hand inside a jar.), and the ripple sent across the Phase by powerful magic's is just too strong. The combined effects fully set loose of the egg.