2010-10-26, 18:59 | Link #181 | |
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I know this is meta and isn't written in the EPs so far, but the Stakes have the names and sins attributed by them by a certain witch hunter. That certain witch hunter states that a girl could not be a witch if she was younger than 12... but of course this law shouldn't be strict, if the child is precocious enough and proves that she's a witch... |
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2010-10-26, 19:32 | Link #182 | ||
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Besides, Beatrice herself is the one who keeps priding herself on the closed rooms she creates. Is she just plagiarizing Maria? :P Some friend. |
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2010-10-26, 19:59 | Link #183 |
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Try to find a reason as to why Beatrice would take credit for the actions of a human even though the evidence points to the human. To the point that she would challenge anyone and risk her own life to defend that person.
Re-read episode two, theres one clear place where she could have thrown her friend under the bus and took a nasty hit for it. Also Im not convinced by her eeriness, Im convinced by her actions. All of the times a hidden letter pops up she's a possible candidate as the person who dropped it. Dont ask yourself who dropped it though, ask yourself WHY the person dropped it. It always comes up as a sheep and wolf puzzle of separating people that have holed up in a place. In EP3 it wasn't a letter, she personally led Rosa out of the house by throwing a tantrum of which she got over after Rosa agreed to check on the flower. |
2010-10-26, 20:32 | Link #184 | ||
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As for the rose thing, doesn't she pretty much do that in every universe regardless of circumstances? I hardly see how that's evidence of anything. |
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2010-10-26, 20:43 | Link #185 | |
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Between you and me, I find a lot of similarities between Maria and Josephine! |
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2010-10-26, 21:08 | Link #186 |
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I'm not discrediting her because of age or gender, I'm discrediting her because of her personality and belief system, which is only bolstered by the fact that despite her eccentric qualities, is still a fairly stereotypical nine year old child. That, and Maria was shown as a totally obvious "suspect" in the earlier arcs, and then was deconstructed to show us how harmless and victimized she actually is, instead of being a little antichrist. To reveal her as the culprit would not only be hack writing, but also completely trivialize and moot like....well, fuck, atleast half of Episode 4, atleast.
It's not "one upping" classic mystery novels to have a bigger shock twist. If it doesn't give a satisfying answer to the mysteries, and if it doesn't fit the characterization without invoking a "everything you learned about this character is a lie", then it's just a bullshit twist ending. That, and Maria is with Battler at nearly all times, so if she's the "culprit", she somehow coerced someone else into killing for her. Who would possibly give into the demands of a nine year old? Make her as big of an evil genius as you want, but she has no power to coerce anyone into doing anything. |
2010-10-26, 21:20 | Link #187 | |
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Hohoho! Now you are getting some of the things I've been trying to pull from you. Who controls the four first game? Why would she have Maria and the servants survive for the better part of the first 2 games just to have them suddenly 'killed' outright in the 3rd game? Whats changed between the moment that Beatrice protects Maria by withholding a red truth that would have crushed Battler in the second game to the moment where she declared that the key never left her person in the 4th games climax? Why would she want people to solve the epitaph if she doesn't gain anything from it? What is Beatrice's roll throughout all of the games, if she doesn't exist? Why would she take someone else sin upon her? Also regarding her ability to control people, all she needs is the headship. The furniture in this game has been shown to be quite loyal to the head. But I admit, its the biggest hurdle to my theory, thats why I stated thats she's either the culprit or an accomplice. e- Also didn't episode 4 have Maria ripping her mother to pieces during a flash back? Or are you disregarding that because the detective didn't witness it? Come on now pseudo detective, dont pick your truths when its convenient! Im willing to change my 'truth' so long as newer ones are brought up. Im even willing to accept them altogether provided that theres enough evidence! Last edited by Cao Ni Ma; 2010-10-26 at 21:43. |
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Child Psychology 101, fuck yeah. But anyway, that one instance is contradicted by multiple OTHER scenes, which are CHRONOLOGICALLY MORE RECENT, wherein Maria instead wants Rosa's love and keeps blaming her abuse on a Bad Witch. Fuck, in the same scene you're talking about, she even says, "you're just the Black Witch torturing Mama and me!" So...you don't really have a case, there. Bipartisan Splitting of Parental Figures; more child psychology. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Maria is anything more than a nine year old girl with emotional underdevelopment and special needs. She's not Stewie Griffin. |
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2010-10-26, 22:40 | Link #189 | |
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Beatrice is protecting someone, she's protecting the culprit. The culprit is Maria. Beatrice might have a human counter part, this counterpart might be furniture, this counterpart is also protecting/serving Maria. Beatrice's actions in the second game regarding the Key in Maria's possession is proof, she could have used the red truth to say that the key never left Maria's possession during that scene but it would have made it obvious that Maria was at the very least an accomplice. So she weathered the blow and marched on. Beatrice becomes aware that Maria is the only person to survive the completion of the last two games, if the reader believes that Knox's and Dyne's laws apply to the game (foreshadow at the intro of the second game), then he can solve the whodunnit right there. Episode 3 has the servants and Rosa, Maria dying off early in the game. This puts that theory to doubt. Beatrice Answers in red that Rosa and Maria died and ronove states they where killed by others. I propose that Maria's 'death' is reversible (clinical death) do to the nature of her 'murder' and because at the time that the red is used she said DIED and not DEAD (as in at the time of that the red was uttered she might be alive again). Her 'corpse' is later moved inside a room where its 'sealed'. The events where the doors and windows are locked after a person apparently moves out of the guess house could be explained with Maria re-locking them to make them appear as closed rooms. I can actually go about and solve the rest of the third game using this thread of logic. I can also use similar logic to solve the rest of the games but Im too tired to keep going. Whether or not Im wright or wrong will be revealed in ep8. Which quite frankly I cant wait for. |
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2010-10-26, 22:57 | Link #190 |
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In arc 4 Ange considers that her own "sin" to Maria is as much a part of why this is all occuring as Battler's sin toward Beato.
A normal nine years old, no matter how much they are depraved of attention, would be horrified and scared by having people die around them (Maria constantly laughed very loudly even at others' misery). The scene at the end of arc 1 with Genji/Kumasawa/Nanjo's death, that's not how a normal child reacts, not even close to. Now I'm not saying she's the culprit, but she's certainly not unrelated to everything. |
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Maria being the culprit doesn't explain anything; it only raises further questions that would require cartoony answers. Quote:
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As for Ange, she makes a lot of wrong assumptions. As much as I love the character, I wouldn't put TOO much stock in what she has to say. All I can think of is that because she hurt Maria's feelings, this lead to Sakutarou's destruction, which lead to Maria's investing her maternal needs in Beatrice, which lead to her being manipulated as a clueless patsy. |
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2010-10-27, 06:44 | Link #193 | |
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Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!! Battlers defense after this involved auto locks, people hiding inside the chapel and small bombs. But he never considered that Maria was even there to open or close the door. So either the door was never locked in the first place, in which case we suspect Rosa (taking the red truth literally, it never passed trough any hands to open or close it) or the door was locked and Maria must have opened and/or closed it. (taking the red truth figuratively, as in the door was locked and the key never left her possession) We could have games where each of the culprit is different, Im fine with that. I just want the games to have the same culprit. In regards to the died and dead thing, Died is a verb while dead is an adjective. That is the action of the servants dying happened instantly, their status is declared as dead (present) before hand as well. Maria and Rosa on the other hand aren't declared as dead (present) though until much later, we are told that they died. It would be pretty hard to bring back Rosa after getting impaled on a fence, Maria though was given a rather clean death and resuscitation is by no means a super power. |
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2010-10-27, 08:02 | Link #194 | |
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As for the Died thing. Well we have a reason to using a verb here because it's in reference to an action. Being killed is an action. Being attacked via the instant definition is one also. It also helps that this is being translated from Japanese so we have other grammar problems here. Resuscitation isn't impossible, but hiding it for that long wouldn't be an easy feat. And Maria isn't exactly shown to have patience. Murdering Nanjo at the end would also take some extraordinary talents with a gun that Maria just isn't foreshadowed to have either. Loading bullets in episode 2 doesn't count! She's good at memorizing random bits of information, but so is everyone with an obscure hobby. If her thoughts were concealed I would agree with you, but Maria is pretty much an open book. She's only ever kept one secret from anyone and that's the identity of Beatrice, which would be rendered irrelevant and stupid under this theory of yours.
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