I'm sort of confused by the intro to episode 9 what did it have to do with this chapter. We never found out any info on the dead body or who it was did we. Is this sort of like Rika's death intro to chapter 2 ~ where the intro ties in to a future chapter?
I'm sort of confused by the intro to episode 9 what did it have to do with this chapter. We never found out any info on the dead body or who it was did we. Is this sort of like Rika's death intro to chapter 2 ~ where the intro ties in to a future chapter?
Read the TIPs for episode 9 if you haven't already.
Don't think too deep about the corpse itself, the question is what happened because of that corpse.
This episode was... a bit of a disappointment, to be honest. The ending was extremely weird and confusing, yeah, but it didn't particularly shock me. My response to it was more like: "Oh. That's weird." And then I felt kind of disappointed, like I said. :/ It sounds better in the descriptions people have given of the game, but that's the game, and this is the anime. I suppose there's not much point in comparing them like that.
Also, I had to curse Keiichi's stupidity.
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Why oh why did he have to wave the axe around, drop it in Rika's blood, and then pick it back up again. >_< I know, I know, he was shocked... and had been acting crazy anyway... but still. He really brings it on himself most of the time. As much as I may be annoyed at him though, I consider that a good thing. If I can get involved enough to think about the characters like that and get frustrated at their actions, they're good characters.
It was a relatively good episode I guess, it got me sad for Satoko and all, and completely shook up my theories. It was just missing something. I might be expecting too much, what with the build up from the game players, and how great the rest of the series has been. I felt this episode wasn't as good as it could have been... or even, dare I say, as it should have been. The rest has been excellent, why drop the standard now of all times?
Maybe I'm feeling especially critical today... but I was expecting more. Possibly I'll think better of it after a rewatch.
A very weird ending indeed there were still a lot of unanswred questions and the ending kind of took me for a loop. There 2 parts that are just stuck in mind and i think they were very important parts of this episode
Spoiler for dont read if you havent watched the ep yet:
When Keiichi sees all the birds and goes running towards the shrine and Rikas bloody necked body is there i did not see that coming. http://www.badongo.com/pic/228398
Then To watch as Satako throws Keiichi off a bridge and wishes for him to die was shocking that crazed look in her eye was just insain and then to learn that everyone but Keiichi in the town died i pretty much was WTF http://www.badongo.com/pic/228395
I kind of wish this series of episodes had been done first since I definitely would have voted for something supernatural being at work instead of an individual. Keiichi's sanity seemed to be slipping away after Takano asked him if he buried the body properly.
I kind of wish this series of episodes had been done first since I definitely would have voted for something supernatural being at work instead of an individual.
I'm sure that's exactly why they are in this order...
I was so convinced that it was nothing supernatural, and I thought I could figure out a rational reason for it all. Now I don't know what to think. ~_~
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The episode was okay but I felt there was a lot of loose ends. The funny thing is that overall I felt most sorry Rika. Her little "miiii" constantly haunted me to feel sad for her after I found out she was killed...(And Rena too of course )
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-Oh, and no Rena.
*me agrees*
I was looking forward to find out if Rena had something going on with the manager or not, after all she was so concerned about Keiichi making it to the clinic. Oh well maybe that scene was just to show more of Rena's...erhm inquisitive nature hmm. I didn't see any point in it, since they were so tight with the episode schedules and all, but more Rena moeness is always a good thing.
The more I watched this episode the more I think it was mostly Keichii's delusion.
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When Keichii finds Rika's body,from the blood splatter it seems she was killed getting hit by a hard object repeatedly like say...an axe.Then Keichii drops the axe on the blood and picks it up again.Maybe it was his mind trying to reason out for him that Rika was dead and he held an axe covered in her blood,trying to reason out that it wasn't his fault when he did in fact slaughter her
Then he gets pushed into the river.Looking back at the bridge,more precisely at the steel wires,it's impossible Satoko could have pushed Keichii over that,and there's no way Keichii could have squeezed through that.
There's just one thing that I don't understand at all,why did everyone except Keichii die?Natural disaster or did Oyashira-sama decided to kill everyone?
My immediate reaction to this episode was slight disappointment, probably just like a few of the other posters on this thread. I've never played the game or read the manga (can't read japanese) but before I watched the episode, I skimmed a few comments of people who've played the game and/or read the manga expressing their disappointment over how many things were left out. Still, I was excited to see the episode but I guess because I dwelled on the fact that the episode might feel incomplete that it lead to my initial disappointment. I guess the reason I was a bit disappointed at first was probably because the ending was a bit more subtle than the last two arcs and didn't exactly raise my blood pressure like I expected it to , although that scene involving
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Rika's corpse did the job quite well .
I also would have liked to have seen some more of Rena (current favorite character) and Mion as well, but I guess they had their turn in the last two arcs . I gave the episode another watch though, almost immediately afterwards trying to pore over details and other stuff. After I let my thoughts settle a bit about the episode, I thought it was quite an appropriate end to the arc and ended up rating it as 'excellent.' Basing solely on the anime itself and ignoring all the TIPs and stuff from the game, I thought the ending to this arc did it's job well enough in conveying the tragic results. Overall, I thought this arc was better than the 2nd arc, although probably not as good as the first. This arc was defintely pretty depressing but not really in a way where the show was trying to force emotions out or anything. That last episode, I definitely had to think about a bit before it kind of got to me . I can't wait to see the next arc of this most fascinating series. This is the first time I've ever wanted to follow an unlicensed anime series all the way through to the end. I joined this forum just because of the excellent discussion going on here for Higurashi although I'll probably still lurk here mostly anyway .
Been watching and loving the series since the beggining but haven't posted, I'm asking cuz I wonder why no one has mentioned this yet, did you notice the change on the lyrics of the end song, do you think there's any meaning to that?
Been watching and loving the series since the beggining but haven't posted, I'm asking cuz I wonder why no one has mentioned this yet, did you notice the change on the lyrics of the end song, do you think there's any meaning to that?
Yeah, the official lyrics have been released and the fansubs have changed to match this. Is that what you meant?
Watched the last 3 episodes of this arc all in a row and I loved it. Watanagashi didn't feel as powerful as Onikakushi to me but this arc more than made up for it Shame about all the stuff they missed out though, wish reading the sound novel first was a possibility. Oh well...
Been watching and loving the series since the beggining but haven't posted, I'm asking cuz I wonder why no one has mentioned this yet, did you notice the change on the lyrics of the end song, do you think there's any meaning to that?
what change in lyrics are your refering to and did the lyrics change at the end of this episode or another here are the lyrics for Why? or Why not?
Read the TIPs for episode 9 if you haven't already.
Don't think too deep about the corpse itself, the question is what happened because of that corpse.
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My first impression of the corpse in ep 9 was that it was satoko and since i didnt see this really addressed in the rest of the chapter my impression remains with satoko. (i could b wrong tell me if i am)
Also the gas line found in episode 12, could it have actually been a vent for volcanic gas and thus keichi and the police may have accidentally damaged it when digging and caused the whole disaster that killed everyone (except keichi).
I guess it doesn't matter now whether keichi killed satoko's uncle cuz he would have been killed by the poison gas later on anyway, but maybe keichi really didn't do it and was delusional from breating in volcanic gas that may have escaped before the big one at the end of ep 13.
You know what would be hilarious? If the scooter and baseball bat that Keiichi threw into the Onigafuchi Swamp were the last straws for the already-unstable swamp bottom... Did Keiichi unintentionally trigger the volcanic gas eruption?
My first impression of the corpse in ep 9 was that it was satoko and since i didnt see this really addressed in the rest of the chapter my impression remains with satoko. (i could b wrong tell me if i am)
Also the gas line found in episode 12, could it have actually been a vent for volcanic gas and thus keichi and the police may have accidentally damaged it when digging and caused the whole disaster that killed everyone (except keichi).
I guess it doesn't matter now whether keichi killed satoko's uncle cuz he would have been killed by the poison gas later on anyway, but maybe keichi really didn't do it and was delusional from breating in volcanic gas that may have escaped before the big one at the end of ep 13.
You're wrong on the corpse because it's been said a number of times before that it took place when it was shown, at the beginning of the arc, not the end... And the TIPS even gave it's identity: Ritsuko Rina, Teppei's mistress.
- The pipe that Oishi's men dug up at the Teppei "grave site" was an old water pipe, not a gas pipe.
- Keiichi didn't swing an axe around and drop it in Rika's blood in the game. However, when Satoko heard Keiichi's scream and ran up (still in towels, unlike the anime, which managed to get her changed in seconds ^^; ) and saw Rika's corpse + Keiichi's hatchet/cleaver (which was what he was carrying in the game, not an axe), she still made the connection that Keiichi killed Rika anyway.
- Yes, it seemed very unreasonable that Satoko would be able to push Keiichi off the bridge, considering that the railings and wires around them were specifically designed to prevent that from happening. But that's simply a design flaw specific to the anime. The fact is, Satoko pushed Keiichi off the bridge, period.
- The Great Hinamizawa Disaster DID happen. In the game, Keiichi woke up on a broken sofa (or something) that managed to break his fall. And we got to follow him wandering around blindly in the lifeless town. Finally, he arrived at school and noticed hundreds of bags lying on the ground (body bags). And just when he was trying to get a grip on what's going on, he was discovered by a bunch of self-defense force soldiers wearing chem suits. They took him to the clinic, and that's when he learned the truth about the gas disaster from the soldier's radios. After that, Keiichi passed out.
- The TV thing was simply the anime's method of "covering" the disaster, that's not how it was covered in the game, Therefore, you don't have to worry about "the authenticy of the report" or "what went wrong with the TV".
- Check the TIPs thread for the police report on the disaster in the epilogue, as well as the secret interview between Keiichi and a reporter.
I am somehow satisfied with the fact that everyone died... Honestly, I think the crazy people in that town are better off dead, and poor Keiichi should escape it all. Though I doubt that is how he would view it, lol
1) The Hinamizawa incident: is it possible this happened in the prior two timelines but the story ended short of it happening those times? What were the dates of the end of the last two timelines in respect to when the event occured?
2) The TIPS about Rika is particularly interesting as each of these three arcs seemed focused on one each of the other three girls: Onikakushi seemed Rena-centric, Watanagashi was Mion-centric, and Tatarigoroshi was Satoko-centric. Is the next 2-episode arc Rika-centric, perhaps? Her role as a miko at the Oyashiro shrine as well as this TIP's revalations puts her in a spirtually significant role, especially IF something supernatural IS occuring, and her last two death-depictions were particularly notable for their lack of explanation. Plus her one big scene in Watanagashi about the trapped cat in the shrine seems to indicate that she is playing some sort of active caring role. The TIPS seem to indicate that Rika is a possible incarnation of Oyashiro...but I don't sense anything malevolent about her character, if anything, quite the opposite. The absense of focus on her character so far is making me suspicious as to what she is all about.
3) Someone, I think it was Sushi-Y, made a comment about the viewer coming to percieve Hinamizawa ITSELF acting as an entity somehow. This fascinates me in relation to Oyashiro as Shintoism often treats places as deities with their own wills (and this has been portrayed in a few more unusual anime). If Oyashiro is in fact the kami of Hinamizawa, then perhaps it is key to view Hinamizawa as a living and sentient organism, perhaps with its own "immune system" for dealing with parts of it that have turned "sick". But then, why would it kill off the whole community and spare Keiichi?
4) The gassing seems really fishy to me in some other ways, particularly in the media blackout and no-fly zone. Is what happened really what is being reported? Could this be a cover-up of an act of genocide performed by someone against the burakku, perhaps as a way to clear the path for reinstating the dam construction order?
5) The footsteps: Keichi's hearing them again, and this is the second time that Keichi seems to have lost himself to the madness (which to me explains his increasingly irrational behavior). They were only mentioned in the TIPS each time and not in the anime (except maybe when Keichi was on the phone with Ooishi before his first death, where he was afraid to turn around), making them conspicuously absent. Are these echoes of himself in a parallel timeline, perhaps the Answer arcs ahead? Or maybe a symptom of whatever is influencing his pyschological state? Or is it Oyashiro after all?
6) while I'm skeptical about the doppelganger thing, it is clear across the arcs that somehow someone is appearing in place of certain people. The third Sonozaki in the second arc, the stuff with Takano, Satoko's uncle, and Keiichi at the festival in the last arc. Could this all be one entity (Oyashiro?) doing this each time, and also the same responsible for the footsteps?
Gah, none of this really seems to add up cohesively. I can't wait for the next arcs.
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. I gave the episode another watch though, almost immediately afterwards trying to pore over details and other stuff. After I let my thoughts settle a bit about the episode, I thought it was quite an appropriate end to the arc and ended up rating it as 'excellent.' Basing solely on the anime itself and ignoring all the TIPs and stuff from the game, I thought the ending to this arc did it's job well enough in conveying the tragic results. Overall, I thought this arc was better than the 2nd arc, although probably not as good as the first. This arc was defintely pretty depressing but not really in a way where the show was trying to force emotions out or anything. That last episode, I definitely had to think about a bit before it kind of got to me 
. I can't wait to see the next arc of this most fascinating series. This is the first time I've ever wanted to follow an unlicensed anime series all the way through to the end. I joined this forum just because of the excellent discussion going on here for Higurashi although I'll probably still lurk here mostly anyway 
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