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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 8 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 49 | 38.28% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 41 | 32.03% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 29 | 22.66% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 4.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.78% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.56% | |
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2011-11-22, 13:39 | Link #181 |
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I wouldn't go as far as saying that she is downright "okay" with it, but their cooperation over a mutual goal in this episode definitely helped relieve some of the anxiety and awkwardness between them. Iri was rather hesitant to mention Maiya as an ally of the Emiya team in the previous episode, but I would assume that from now on she will have less trouble doing so. You don't fight and marginally survive together against an unstoppable beast like Kotomine without creating some sort of bond.
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2011-11-22, 15:23 | Link #182 | |
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Boy, Shiro may not be Kiritsugu's biological son, but he sure did inherit the same harem gene |
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2011-11-22, 20:12 | Link #184 |
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Except the relationship between maiya and kiritsugu is not romantic, and maiya's feelings for kiritsugu are more devotion than love
Also, the only reason why Iri was hesitant about Maiya is because Maiya knows the side of Kiritsugu that Irisviel doesn't know(the magus killer), and she was afraid that getting to know it would change her opinion of her husband. And mayia is not exactly the most talkative woman there is, either... and for the last time: there is absolutely nothing going on between Kiritsugu and Maiya |
2011-11-22, 20:37 | Link #185 | |
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The whole kiss scene itself didn't even feel like it had any romantic weight to it all, heck Kiritsugu certainly didn't even react much to it. I said this before, but to me it came off as nothing more than Maiya trying to get Kiritsugu to focus on whats important; take his mind off his family. And as you stated she does seem to hold some devote feelings for Kiritsugu. SO yeah, I don't believe there is any romantic thing going on with Kiritsugu and Maiya.
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2011-11-22, 20:45 | Link #186 | |||
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Firstly, I humbly accept being wrong about the second bullet, I completely missed the point there.
The rest however, I still feel strongly about, and it seems people have twisted my words into an argument I never made. Quote:
He had the time to make his first thrust, and then pose while twirling his spear between his fingers and say, I quote, "How did you like that? Things wouldn't have been much different if saber regained the use of her left arm.", then flank him pointlessly with Saber. He had more than enough time to simply finish the job while Caster's defenses were down immediately after his first attack. Not to mention, that quote in itself is a sickening addition to the incredibly forced cliche' relationship Lancer and Saber have. How much are they going to continue to lick each others boots? Seriously. This is something I've seen in both Bleach and Naruto before (Oops), and I say let the shonens keep their shonen stereotypes. Quote:
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2011-11-22, 20:48 | Link #187 |
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Nobody in this topic necessarily claimed Kiritsugu and Maiya have romantic feelings for each other.
The term "loving" doesn't have to refer to an emotion that is romantic in nature and "liking" (the term utilised in this topic) much less so. And you usually wouldn't devote and be willing to sacrifice your life for someone you don't at least like. Last edited by Vicious108; 2011-11-22 at 21:04. |
2011-11-22, 20:48 | Link #188 | |
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Also, until they show why Maiya works for Emiya, I'll assume it's because she likes him and it isn't devotion. |
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2011-11-22, 21:46 | Link #190 |
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*shrug* I have no previous knowledge about the series or the characters, if that would make a difference. So, call me crazy, but when I see someone kiss somebody, I don't think it's a huge leap of logic to assume they have feelings for that person. Even if the other person doesn't share those feelings.
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2011-11-22, 22:30 | Link #191 | ||
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Sometimes certain events should happen simply to aid the immersion value to the story, to make it easier for readers or viewers to "buy into". I'm not talking about realism, per se, but rather events unfolding in a way that feels authentic, coherent, and natural. In other words, the opposite of cheap, contrived, copping out. If you have a dozen or more super-powered combatants engaging in a contest of sorts where the goal is to kill all of your opponents, and everybody in that competition accepts those rules (i.e. there's nobody with a strict "no killing" moral belief that's trying to undermine the contest from within) then logically it shouldn't take that long for somebody in the contest to die. On the whole, I think that Fate/Zero is a more well-written and enjoyable watch than Mirai Nikki, but in this one specific area (how the plot progresses the "survival game"), I honestly think that Mirai Nikki is doing a better job of things thus far. In Mirai Nikki, competitors get eliminated at a rate that I find easier to buy into than what we've seen in Fate/Zero's Holy Grail war thus far. So I see where Rethice is coming from. I'm not quite as critical on this as he is, but I do hope that the ratio between death-defying survivals and actual deaths starts to become more balanced soon. Quote:
Keep in mind that this isn't just Gen Urobuchi's baby. He didn't create the Nasuverse. He didn't create most of the important characters in this, or most (all?) of the lore in this. His writing quality does add a lot to the show, no doubt, but it's not like this is a true Gen original (like Madoka Magica) where he personally designed the fictional universe that everything takes place in, and created all the major characters. His involvement does bring in another group of fans - Gen fans - but Fate/Zero is first and foremost for long-time fans of the Fate/Series franchise. There's plenty of people who would be watching this show if it was wrote by somebody else entirely. So I don't think Fate/Zero is simply aimed at Gen fans (and hence I don't think it's only goals are horror and tragedy, as that's certainly not what I took away from Fate/Stay Night). Personally, I'm fine with Fate/Zero being dark, but that's not the main reason I'm watching the show. I'm hoping for an "epic story" (and this is where immersion value is important to me), I am fond of some of the characters (Saber is important here), and I do look to this anime for great action scenes (and here, constant death-defying can become tiresome after awhile).
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2011-11-22, 22:58 | Link #192 | |
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If Fate/Zero had been animated way before you come to realize the existence of those tropes, would you have been less critical of it? It's a matter of personal experience (i.e., your exposure to it compared to mine) and view. Regardless, everyone is not impervious to using cliches and tropes, including Urobuchi, if they help to maintain the plot. |
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2011-11-23, 06:18 | Link #193 |
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No, i won't call you crazy, I'm just explaining to you that that kiss had absolutely nothing to do with Maiya's feelings, regardless of whether Maiya has feelings for Kiritsugu or not. It was a quick and simple way to get Kiritsugu to stop thinking about his family and get back to being the magus killer, since he's come back to war
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2011-11-23, 10:19 | Link #195 |
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Well one question I have to ask....
Now I was all exicted when Saber opened up a path, and Lancer went on the charge (Knights are great on the charge, especially Lancers) But why did he hit the book? rather than drive his spear through his heart ? Its not like Caster use the book to deflect the attack. As a heroic class, Lancer should have done better. Yes hitting the book with a mana canceling is favourable advantage, but not when you have a better option in killing your oponet outright. Did they want to ware him down before going for the kill? |
2011-11-23, 11:35 | Link #196 | |
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But then shit happens, Kayneth is screwed and Lancer can't pursue Caster in spirit form and finish him off. |
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2011-11-23, 14:26 | Link #197 | |
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Actually the complaints are right.
The way it happened in the book was different and made a lot more sense: When Saber used Strike air to blast a corridor to carry Lancer towards Caster, the wall of monsters was thick enough that Lancer BARELY reached Caster and had to settle for slicing the book instead of just taking Caster's head. Caster jumps backwards after this which reset the distance. Lancer makes the quip as Caster is still completely at his and Saber's mercy. This is the moment Kiritsugu shoots Kayneth and Lancer doesn't finish Caster. I really didn't like how the anime had Lancer go past Caster without cutting his head off. Quote:
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2011-11-23, 17:50 | Link #198 | |
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2011-11-23, 19:12 | Link #199 | |
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