2004-12-19, 21:05 | Link #1 |
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Divx/Fansubs request
I don't know if this is the right place to post this topic, but I would like to make a request or a suggestion concerning subtitles for future releases of anime series along with the Divx codec version used. As some of you may know, there are new DVD players in the market that will play Divx files. If you guys don't know what I'm talking about, go here:
http://www.divx.com/hardware/ Now, the thing is, I have played some of the anime files on it and it has played fine, but damn, the subs are either a)readeable, that it is, it can be read above the end of the T.V like this here example: --------------------------- | | | | | subs go here ---------------------------- but from what I've seen, like Futakoi, the fansubbers have done it like this: --------------------------- | | | | | -----subs go here----- I hope that in the future, fansubbers should follow example a because 1)most people now will buy the DVD/Divx players to watch anime fansubs on the TV instead of the computer and it will make reading a lot easier. In other words, please take consideration on what the audience will watch anime in the future. and I hope that with the newerst version of Divx, fansubbers do encode the files really well, because of said future market. Thanks. *hopes that this thread doesn't get deleted* |
2004-12-19, 22:22 | Link #3 | |
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Seeing as how these are designed to be viewed on your computer, I doubt anyone will do anything. If it does bother you, get virtualdub and place some border around the video, recode it and then burn it.
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And again, most groups I've seen are using XVID. And there as far as I know, no players that can officially play xvid 100% (just those that claim they can). |
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2004-12-19, 23:25 | Link #4 | |
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That said, a lot of groups have openly said that they don't care about people watching their stuff on these devices, some with quite a bit of hositility. While a PC with TV-Out can have the output resized to compensate for overscan (as can Xbox Media Centre, IIRC), the Philips offers no such support, which is rather annoying. What I'd like to see here (and would be a good compromise IMHO) is a listing of groups and projects which are and aren't overscan compatible with their subs and encodes. Most stuff by my group is safe on settop MP4 players, but a handful of God Mars episodes and the first couple of Enemy's the Pirates! have QPEL, so they need to be re-encoded to work with the player (I'm going to redo and repost them at SOME point, once I've got time). All of our subs are overscan safe, though. Central Anime encodes are also overscan safe, but again, have QPEL and are of a funky filesize so they need to be re-encoded to work on settops. AiA GaoGaiGar is overscan safe, but the lyrics get a bit low. The Might Gaine subs are overscan friendly as well. Finally, anything done with a widescreen release that has the subtitles inside the widescreen will, for obvious reasons, be OK. Hope this helps. |
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2004-12-19, 23:32 | Link #5 |
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1) DIVX can play back XVID content just fine as long as no hacks are used. So no codec change is needed.
2) If the group wants you to watch them on anything, they will compensate for the 10% overscan, otherwise, they are purposely ignoring doing that. |
2004-12-19, 23:48 | Link #6 | |
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2004-12-20, 01:06 | Link #7 |
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and then... people in the future start complaining that the subtitles on their HDTV is purposely set too high...
seriously, if you really want to watch it on TV, you can go to virtualdub, and do Xvid simple ~6000 kbs with resize 576x432 added borders to 640x480, and it'll probably work just fine I think the raw cappers did cut off 10% overscan when encoding/capturing, as it didn't look right when i watched it directly on TV without modifications, putting subs higher in the final fansubs will result in about 18% from the bottom of where the raw is supposed to be, and possibly some of the main content. If the divx-dvd players can't resize on their own... they may not be ready.... just my $.02 |
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I completely agree with RyuHayabusa and don't see why couldn't a few groups give some consideration to his request (that probably is the request of an ever increasing number of fans as the these players become more popular). Personally I have a setup that allow me to connect the computer to the TV set and I'll always watch my fansubs on the TV.... but my Philips DVD-player with divix playing capabilities give me much better video quality. Quote:
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2004-12-20, 04:48 | Link #9 | |
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When you play it you should be able to resize it unless you have a bad player my friends cheap one that costed around 50 bucks can do it so why cant yours. Go figure we encode it to be watched on computer we wouldent take into consideration what diffrent hardware players are capable of... And your players dosent in any way make the video look better it's just that your tv kind of smooths out stuff when displaying it due to how it projects the image. Take Care Sakaki |
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2004-12-20, 16:35 | Link #11 | |
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Yup. Again, I say, if people want to go:
"OMFG, THIS DVD PLAYER PLAYZ DIVX!!!!! *BUYS*", then please die Do your research: find a DVD player that can compensate for overscan, buy an X-Box, or buy a PC for TV-Out useage. It's not like I don't suffers: my 16:9 TV in 16:9 mode must have like 100 pixels overscan. Do you see me complaining to groups? Nope: I'm just gonna buy a new TV in 2005 ^^ If I can find a job... Quote:
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2004-12-20, 18:02 | Link #12 | |
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2004-12-20, 18:11 | Link #13 | |
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2004-12-20, 20:11 | Link #14 | |
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I would recomend the Medion MD40814 wich cna play divx and xvid. Suport for the following types of disk formats: DVD, VCD, SVCD, CD-Audio, MP3-CD, MP3-DVD, JPEG-CD, JPEG-DVD And the following medias: CD, DVD, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW Following file formats: MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX 3.11, DivX 4.x, DivX 5.x, Xvid Sound: Dolby Digital, DTS Video: RGB, supports progressive scan Video outputs: RGB Scart, S-Video, Composite. Sound outputs: Optical, koaksial, stereo, surround 5.1. And this players costs around 50€ Take Care Sakaki- |
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2004-12-20, 22:02 | Link #15 |
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Fansubbers will put the subs where they see fit. Digisubbing is not done for you new dvd player convience. You should be thankful that fansubbing gets done at all. With this new anti-fansubbing wind going around who knows how long you will have to enjoy it.
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2004-12-21, 00:30 | Link #16 | |
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2004-12-21, 21:33 | Link #17 |
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Wow, he didn't even research why some subs are lower. In example "a" you probably had a chunk of video cut off, it's just the subs were so ridiculously high that they were still visible.
This has nothing to do with the subber at all; go learn how to burn videos properly. |
2004-12-22, 03:08 | Link #18 | |
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Also, not all TVs have overscan. Mine doesn't. It wasn't a rediculusly expensive one either, I think it was a bit above $200, JVC 32", got it about a year ago. Considering not all TVs overscan, and some stand-alone Divx players have overscan compensation, just be smart enough to get one of the two able to compensate for overscan. Or reencode with virtualdub and add black bars around it. Three very reasonable solutions, so having very high subs is unneeded. It's qalso fansubs, they are in theory by ethical standards not perminate. There's the forth solution, buy DVDs. |
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2004-12-22, 04:14 | Link #19 |
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Well, obviously many of you don't live in countries with subtitled foreign TV shows, like Portugal or Holland. And in those shows, the subtitlers often place the subtitles a bit higher than normal.
And remember: they're professionals. This may sound bad, but let's look at it another perspective: Many people complain that high subtitles can bother the visualization of the main scene (somewhere towards the middle of the screen). This is true, of course. But what about "eye-shifting"? (With this I mean the how long the eyes of the viewer must divert from the central scene to the "bottomed" subtitles.) The more the subtitles are placed on the bottom, the harder and tiring will be to follow the show. You know... "watch center screen, divert to bottom, divert again to center". This effect is enhanced even more when the subtitles are just too quick to read, like unfortunately most fansubbers usually do (when the subtitles' timing is EXACTLY THE SAME as the dialog timing). I personnaly prefer the subtitles a bit higher than a bit lower. After all, I also have a divx player and sometimes have the same problem with my standard TV. But somehow many of you are getting either offended or bothered with the suggestion made firstly by RyuHayabusa and then by other users afterwards. Others are replying in a hostile way. And I don't see the reason for it. Let's not forget that what RyuHayabusa stated was merely a SUGGESTION. No one is trying to force anything on anyone. It's just an opinion. This isn't a "must do / must change" thread. But if no one speaks, then nothing will be done (in the case of the fansubbers that aren't aware of this or didn't place the subtitles on the bottom on purpose, of course). But the final decision is their's, and no one else can change it. I know I'm not a moderator, but I'm seeing too many "flames" here, and it doesn't exactly give a "good mood" to the thread.
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