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On top of that, she's slowly being "pushed" into the role of captain. Whether she's "worried" about it or not, that's irrelevant. As it shows, she'll naturally become a captain on her own right and talent. For now, we're just seeing bits and pieces of that. And it's not gonna make sense for all of that talent to just magically come out in one event. With each event, it shows how she's actually enjoying her role - even before a decision is made.
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2012-01-29, 06:02 | Link #682 |
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I'm certain he does. I believe we both agree that the show has no big explosion or drama yet but that's different that claim the show has no character development or excitement. Character development in a show isn't limited to dramatic moments nor excitement limited to having big explosions. You can achieve both with other methods.
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Well before Enzo brought it up I'd never even wondered if this was an "emotional flatline" and now after reading that post I've concluded that even if it is an emotional flatline I don't give a damn
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The Motto of this episode was "breakfast beats worrying" and characters try to apply this all over the show.Notably Marika has aknowledged in episode 3 that she's scared but instead of letting her fears get to her she uses them as motivation. Now I'm not saying nothing will get to them,the episode preview seems to show a bit of tension.But it sure is going to take a whole lot more than a stuck mast to worry them. And even if there might be some tension in the heat of battle but I don't expect any " reflecting on the meanings or implications of events and decisions". I definatly believe there will be an evolution in the Chiaki/Marika relationship but I'm not certain it'll be an emotional journey as much as just bonding over kicking ass around the galaxy. I'm not certain any of the supporting cast will go though a major change. I do feel the show tries with more or less success to justify the absence of the following: Quote:
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Just that at least Marika has tried breaking the ice and failed notably by calling her "Chiaki-chan". So there you have it,I can understand why you'd think people not displaying much emotion isn't that entertaining,afterall in apollo 13 Ron Howard turned this into this . NASA astronauts are trained to stay calm but he thought agitation would make a more entertaining movie. To finish I've just got a general question for folks familar with 70s/80s sci-fi (which is what MP reminds me of most), were the protagonists of shows like captain harlock and Cobra that concerned with "reflecting on the meanings or implications of events and decisions"? I've watched both,but a long time ago so I'm not an authority, and I'd say no but I'd definatly like some imput on this Quote:
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2012-01-29, 06:49 | Link #684 | |
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Either way that's what I've taken from this discussion with him. His statement that "You can't have excitement if there's no sense of danger, and you can't have character development if there's no emotional volatility" more or less says exactly that. Whether he means something different or not, he'd need to clarify that more beyond claiming the impossibility of backing up his own claims.
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2012-01-29, 07:14 | Link #685 | |
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I don't think Enzo associates "emotional volatility" with "dramatic moment" , that's not how I read it anyway. Though I guess I better let Enzo answer himself.
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2012-01-29, 07:48 | Link #686 | |
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This coming battle could prove to be nice catalyst. A bit of facing your own mortality is always a nice way to pump out some emotion. Though I would like to avoid the usual drama that accompanies it. Realistic though it may be, having characters mope around for several episodes is not my cup of tea. Then again, as it's the first battle I wouldn't at all be surprised if it ends up being a crushing victory to show how awesome the crew of the Odette is. Last edited by Keroko; 2012-01-29 at 08:07. |
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2012-01-29, 09:01 | Link #687 |
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I can half-see Guardian Enzo's point.
One thing the show could do better is establish the significance of some of the activities. EG: it seems like a big deal that the space yacht club is actually getting to go on a cruise, but that's only implied, not stated. Is this voyage an annual, "each year after school gets out" activity? Or is getting to take the yacht a more-special opportunity? The show's been a bit weak on that type of world-building. On the other hand, this seems to be a star trek type show, wherein the show's mostly about people-management and problem solving (except the techno-babble here is interesting and logical, so far, whereas it was just made-up plot hacks in every star trek ever). That style of show's not for everyone, but it's hard to combine that style with exceptionally deep and complex characters: the characters have to be relatively static for the "management" part of the show to work, so there's a tension there. |
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Does anyone else wonder about the Odette II? We know it's one of the original 7. We know it has decent cyber capabilities and sensors. We don't yet know what sort of actual weapons it has. However, its appearace, with all those solar sails, looks rather frilly and delicate. I can't help but wonder if it was purpose built as a Q-ship, which would make sense since it's main role was to be a privateer since it's conception. Endless "Q-ship" Soul
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2012-01-29, 11:23 | Link #692 | |
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Anyway, i'm still loving this show. Event though it's slow, it still has great plot and character development. I just wish people who just stop complaining about it being slow, no action and no fanservice and accept the show of what it is: A coming-of-age sci-fi adventure of a young girl who learns by her own experience, skills and knowledge to accept her destiny of becoming a space pirate.
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2012-01-29, 11:30 | Link #693 |
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More likely it was originally a merchant ship later converted to heavy combatant during the war of Independence.
The "Original Seven" is probably a reference to the seven cruisers commissioned by George Washington during the American War of Independence that was the beginning of the American Navy.
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2012-01-29, 11:39 | Link #694 |
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this one continues to be a fun watch, the girls space suits are nice too, not so bulky
a bit jealous that in the future, even high-schoolers have chance to go into space and i think i get it now, Marika will become a pirate/captain in the last eps, just like Madoka^^
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2012-01-29, 11:43 | Link #695 | |
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Same for Chiaki,she's shown a soft spot for chocolat parfaits,otherwise it's the same pokerface all the time. Now that doesn't bother me at all,Marika learning new stuff,Marika showing off her leadership skills.Chiaki being more and more impressed with her,but it seems others want more.
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2012-01-29, 13:00 | Link #697 |
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Guardian Enzo: fwiw, I think you might be overestimating the seriousness of the situation the girls are in, b/c it's in space.
The way I've been filling in the blanks is roughly: the girls don't think they're in much danger; worst-case scenario they can still call the "space cops" -- or so they think -- and so Marika's logic seems reasonable (if they call the cops future yacht trips might not happen b/c the school would get nervous...so try scaring the bad guys away and call the cops if that doesn't pan out). Similarly with Kane: he can still call the "space cops" and he knows the Bentenmaru is following the Odette, so he's not too worried either. TL;DR: this isn't a bunch of girls in a war zone and failing to "get it"; the level of danger and serious of the situation is supposed to be closer to that of a bunch of high school girls on a sports trip to a major city, getting followed by a creepy guy, and coming up with a plan to scare the bad guy off without involving the authorities. Next episode this could all turn out wrong, though, if things turn into a serious shooting match (and not just some rigged "let's test Marika and see how she does" scenario). |
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2012-01-29, 16:23 | Link #700 | |
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I don't expect them to be running around panicking like their hair is on fire, no - in fact it's nice to see high school girls not depicted that way. All I'm saying is I'd find the series more engaging if the characters were giving me a little more. A little more reaction, a little more insight into whether they're feeling anything whatsoever, about each other at least. The reason I used the word "documentary" is because the show has the feeling of, as you say, a sports trip - but with a few hidden cameras turned on. It does create a low-key sense of realism, absolutely - it's just that for me the experience is a little flat. If that's not the case for you, that's great.
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