World Of Warcraft Discussion Thread

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

roffles, first day of testing for Mimiron, and Warriors are whining that DK's are better at tanking the encounter already. Despite the fact a few of his abilities are bugged, with things like cast bars not showing.

[krisslanza]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

They do come up with good names. Mama Said Knock You Out is still my favourite, though. ^^

Yogg-Saron had better not simply be C'Thun 2.0. I'd like to think there's something more to it than simply another pseudo-hentai fight. Because most players fail so hard at killing tentacles.

Tentacles clearly get a very high resistance to being killed.
Because they're tentacles.

Damn tentacles.

[Ithekro]

Mmmm tentacles.

I'm guessing it's not going to be the same fight. Too many "heros of the past" seem to be involved somehow if the voice files threads are accurate.

One wonders if you can "kill him".

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I'm guessing it's not going to be the same fight. Too many "heros of the past" seem to be involved somehow if the voice files threads are accurate.

Spoiler for background lore:

It's not so much 'heroes of the past being involved with Yogg-Saron' but more 'Yogg-Saron being involved with heroes of the past'

The voice files are 100% accurate on Neltharion's part, so it's reasonable to believe that the others re accurate as well..

[Clarste]

I can imagine a fight where he shows you different visions of the past as the phases. Maybe actually fighting those historical figures or something (hallucinations, not time travel). I guess we'll find out soon enough though.

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

I really hope he drops another vanquished tentacle trinket, like C'thun.

[RWBladewing]

Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

I really hope he drops another vanquished tentacle trinket, like C'thun.

Yes, this needs to happen. Furbolg x Archmage Vargoth x Human Orphan x Tentacle. I will be an internet LEGEND. Er, um, nevermind...

[Last Sinner]

I'd personally love to see a Caverns of Time: Battle for the Frozen Throne. That was easily my favourite mission of the RTS era. It was damn hard and felt really fulfilling to overcome the odds and finish it. Arthas vs Illidan - epic cinematic. Personally I think that would be a better time for those crazy time warper dragons to try and change history. Arthas was at his weakest at that point and only had Anub'arak to safeguard him. Illidan had greater numbers. Vashj and Kael'thas were also in the mix. Would really like to see that happen.

Edit: Some major news has finally surfaced. Thought you guys would like to know. Too much to say in a post here so I'll link.

3.1 Notes
Auriaya loot
Hodir loot

Now things are getting interesting! Decent loot has finally appeared. Tailoring is finally getting the buff it deserves. Fishing mount...heh heh heh. Scorch gets a major nerf - bet most Mages will go Arcane now, as I have. Druids get a slight feral buff but a major resto nerf. Spirit gets a HUGE nerf. Alchemy gets a buff. And lots more. Now I'm liking where 3.1 is going!

[Ithekro]

I'll note that one of the quest lines in Icecrown likes to play out Arthus vs Illidan.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Edit: Some major news has finally surfaced. Thought you guys would like to know. Too much to say in a post here so I'll link.

3.1 Notes
Auriaya loot
Hodir loot

Now things are getting interesting! Decent loot has finally appeared. Tailoring is finally getting the buff it deserves. Fishing mount...heh heh heh. Scorch gets a major nerf - bet most Mages will go Arcane now, as I have. Druids get a slight feral buff but a major resto nerf. Spirit gets a HUGE nerf. Alchemy gets a buff. And lots more. Now I'm liking where 3.1 is going!

I don't really see how the Scorch nerf changes anything at all for mages. You have to keep in mind that its a raid-wide debuff. Even if it's only 5%, the raid will still want at least one fire mage to keep it up, and arcane already has more dps. What exactly is changing to make arcane more appealing than fire?

Also, the spirit nerf is old news. They've claimed that they're also buffing the effect of talents like Meditation which let you regen mana while casting by an equal percentage, so it'll have the net effect of making mana regen while casting exactly the same while nerfing mana regen while not casting. Presumably this brings it closer in line with mp5.

[Last Sinner]

Nothing is changing within Arcane. Furthermore, Arcane doesn't rely on crit that much, if at all. It's all about haste and regen. Fire is the crit reliant spec. So if anything they're nerfing Fire PvE and Frost PvP since Winter's Chill also gets the nerf. You can cast 2 Arcane Blasts within the same time you can cast 1 Frostfire Bolt. That will almost always do more damage, even if FFB crits.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Nothing is changing within Arcane. Furthermore, Arcane doesn't rely on crit that much, if at all. It's all about haste and regen. Fire is the crit reliant spec. So if anything they're nerfing Fire PvE and Frost PvP since Winter's Chill also gets the nerf. You can cast 2 Arcane Blasts within the same time you can cast 1 Frostfire Bolt. That will almost always do more damage, even if FFB crits.

They're nerfing the entire raid's spell crit by 5%. That's it. This includes any arcane mages present; they're also being nerfed by 5% spell crit. This doesn't affect the fire mages only. What you're saying though is that 5% crit matters more to fire mages than it does to arcane mages, which makes sense, but is that 5% loss to both them really enough to push it over the edge? Last I checked, arcane was better anyway. I don't think this nerf really means anything to fire mages at all, since raids will still want a token fire mage. It is a pretty significant nerf to all casters though.

[Keroko]

Simple answer to the problem: Get a Moonkin.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Even now the 40% reduction in spirit regen makes me cry ;_;. Need the new equations so I can see how badly I get nerfed .

Holy priest changes are...bleh mostly. They're getting rid of our clearcasting talent (and the add-on talent which gives us haste for 2 spells) as well as changing our mana return spell completely (no more 25% mana of spell cost back if target is overhealed ). Good news is that the useless Divine Hymn spell is getting completely revamped and might actually be useful now . Oh, and Divine Spirit for all now .

[BlankVoid]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Simple answer to the problem: Get a Moonkin.

If you don't already have that or an elemental shaman, your raid is already suffering. Imp. Scorch/Winter's Chill are debuffs and not buffs. You would get 10% crit in the end after the nerf as opposed to 15% in live.

[Keroko]

You'd be shocked how few raids know -or refuse to accept- the value of a Moonkin in their midst. Balance Druids are often forced to spec Resto for healing, sometimes Feral if the guild is low on tanks (varies per server, but if its different it's usually only the other way around).

Though I remember Vanilla wow had Balance Druids who could heal just as good as Resto druids.

[Clarste]

Moonkin give 5% spellcrit (if you don't have an ele shaman), 3% haste (if you don't have a ret pally), 3% spell hit (if you don't have a shadow priest), and +13% spell damage (if you don't have an unholy DK). Pretty good combo, but as you can see you don't need one if you have the rest of it. They also do decent dps.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

They are better at DPS now since they got 'fixed' a few patches ago. No longer are they OOMkins

[Keroko]

A decent mana regen spec/gear and there never was such a thing as OOMkins in the first place. -_-

[Jazzrat]

stack enough int and get a spriest/ret pally + mana tide, there shouldnt be any issues with mana